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I might be over the top in my comments here, i don't mean to offense, i just want open the block in western people mind, from what i observe western people don't care...in other word "washing hands"..."it is something in the past, we all should forget it", while actually western people generally have no idea about "the past"...i doubt any of you even study SEA history...you guys have no idea about what i have shown here including in the other posts...you guys don't even know about my people, it is because we are meant to be forgotten, it is all meant to be forgotten... My point here is western people should be ready to get pay back from what happen in the past today...things that happen in the west now is the effect caused by the west yourselves in the past....it is simply the law of cause and effect. Of course you guys have nothing to do with Crusaders, EIC, VOC, Spanish Conquistador and British Imperials, but it is not about you guys, it is not about me either, it is about the reality we have to face and we can't ignore it. But you guys can make a change...

As Muslims today keep apologize things as western people demanded, why not the west do the same?

I know what I would call them. Dead. Ancient history. Certainly not today's "West". That dead and ancient history lead to what happen today...lead to the sentiment...lead to the world politic and economy. If you want to understand the sentiment, you must understand history and not just taking it at face value... The west leave a scar....the wound healed, the scar remain....and now another west showing their claw, the USA.... It is 600 years for us....the west leave us only 58 years ago....

But most of the states (if not all) are in NATO on their own will, you have to be angry on them, not on West, dont see how this is relevant It is western Imperialism in a new way...of course it is not "imperial" in literal meaning but as you can see who dominate the world with military? For what? Surely you are not so blind to see that? USA-UN-NATO whatever you call it, it is all the same... 600 years ago it is called VOC, East India Company, bla bla bla....today it is the very same thing in different name and global. They are no different...what is the function of EIC and VOC? Rob other people wealth....why USA want to dominate Middle East and the whole world? The same, rob other people wealth....

USA continue what the West being doing for 600 years, and with european allies, the very same thing...so now do you understand the sentiment here? Why don't you the west just leave us in the east alone?

Yeah nations are created and divided. We were part of HRE, then Austria-Hungaria, then SSSR - choose what you like. Well I can do it for you: Ohh those evil Islamists. We were part of our beutifull HRE and then Ottomans come and break it and now I am no longer HRE, bee, I want to be citizen on HRE again, evil Ottomans bee Well, i am not Ottoman, but i know you are agressive because i am Muslim, and you say Muslims are Ottoman, isn't it? I say "the west" because it is really the WEST who messed up with us in the past...specifically Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish and English... I dont think I am more aggresive than you are and I am not using Islamists because you are muslim, I am using it in same way you are using 'west' term. I suppose you are not using 'west' term because I am atheis/christian? So what would i called Portuguese Crusaders, Dutch VOC, Spanish Conquistadors and English (East India Company and Imperial) if not "the West"? if it is only one then i can specify one, but there are not one only but four...so i say "the West"...and now another West come into the picture, the USA

Yeah nations are created and divided. We were part of HRE, then Austria-Hungaria, then SSSR - choose what you like. Well I can do it for you: Ohh those evil Islamists. We were part of our beutifull HRE and then Ottomans come and break it and now I am no longer HRE, bee, I want to be citizen on HRE again, evil Ottomans bee Well, i am not Ottoman, but i know you are agressive because i am Muslim, and you say Muslims are Ottoman, isn't it? I say "the west" because it is really the WEST who messed up with us in the past...specifically Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish and English...

When i say "my people" this Malays, i don't mean Malaya or Malaysia, i mean the whole original SEA people....we called ourselves "Nusantara"...you know what is Nusantara? That is what you called "South East Asia". We are one people no longer...for 600 years the west divide and conquer us...like what you did to American natives.... This is Nusantara...

I can blame the west because my country colonized by the west, my people have been fighting the west for about 600 years damn it! Yeah and what, my country was fighting muslims for 600 years (Turks and Ottomans, then few crusades, some Mongols here and there... cant count everyone). And you were colonised by UK, not west. My state was occupied by russians for 40 years too. Doesnt mean I want all russian peoplo to crumble. And as you states 60 years west dont care about you and you are free to do whatever you want, yet as it seems only think you can do is using 'west' tech to attack it, even tho you can just go back to your roots on rice field, so i dont see your point at all My country is a creation after WW2, before that Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Philipine never exist...it was Empire of Melaka and Malay city states before the west ruin everything. We never fight anyone, we don't care about the world outside SEA...but the west come...like i mentioned Portuguese Crusaders, VOC, EIC, Spain, British Imperial....you change us all in SEA into what we become today

I can blame the west because my country colonized by the west, my people have been fighting the west for about 600 years damn it! The Potuguese Crusaders, the VOC, the East India Company, the Spanish, then the British Imperial....for 600 years!

No, what i mean is the west never apologize, the west still up to today westernizing all peoples in the world, like i said above, it is not end there, it is continous, we going through a lot of struggles about our own identity, our own value, we don't know ourselves anymore...you see my picture here in the left? This is the new identity of my people...we have no identity anymore...we have lost it, the west took away everything...our wealth, our land, our identity...we become a people with no face....we only assume our face look like what we are now...look at this below...my people are not like this before westernization...the west changed us into this....into your clone...

No you are wrong there, I am a white English person but I was born in Africa so I know a lot about Colonialism When were your people begging for work? Aaaah don't play that game...if you know about colonizations then you know what i am talking about... There used to be a time where my people depend on British almost as if withoout the British we will lost, working with white masters is a guarantee of life...become your servant, your ghurka, polishing your shoes, open the door, carrying your stuff, and say "yes mem...yes sir...", working in your plantations and mines in our land, working in your companies in our own land...this is the life of us Malays under your "western education"... Do not pretend you don't know what you done to indegenious peoples around the world... Yes of course I understand what Colonialism means Sadly I had family member who were involved in Apartheid And yes Colonialism was a terrible system that mistreated many people. But I'm still not sure what you would like the UK to do now ? If its justice you are after the West has bled and suffered immensely during WW1 and WW2 But seriously what would you like from the West? I just want the west admit your crimes in the past and making an open apology... This is post-liberation Malays...see what you done to us...? What i mean is, if you fear your western values gone because of refugees in your country, i say it is "karma"....you will change like you changed us...

No you are wrong there, I am a white English person but I was born in Africa so I know a lot about Colonialism When were your people begging for work? Aaaah don't play that game...if you know about colonizations then you know what i am talking about... There used to be a time where my people depend on British almost as if withoout the British we will lost, working with white masters is a guarantee of life...become your servant, your ghurka, polishing your shoes, open the door, carrying your stuff, and say "yes mem...yes sir...", working in your plantations and mines in our land, working in your companies in our own land...this is the life of us Malays under your "western education"... Do not pretend you don't know what you done to indegenious peoples around the world...

Can't you see it? Maybe you never feel anything because it is not your country and your people who being a victim of western colonization...so you don't know how it feel, you don't know the value... My country just being liberated from British 58 years ago...my people have changed much, some are western oriented, some are nationalist extremist, some are Arabinized Islamic...it is a chaos...because we have lost our identity due to western colonization You don't know how my people begging to work with white masters, treated as slaves and lower beings, you white people dictate on how we should live....you bring in your values, you bring democracy, and your culture...you changed us becoming what we are not... So now it is your turn...

Yes...i can see it in 5 years...if propaganda work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08M0T_Vco-g

I think it is now the time where Europe must changed...for a very long time eastern peoples have adapting and resisting westernization, now it is Eurpe turn to accept and resist easternization...it is just normal, it is a cycle of history, or some may call it "karma"... You guys western know how hard for us in the east to maintain our culture and traditions from all western attacks? It is a struggle...like me for example, i was westernized but i don't want to loose my identity, i hold up what i know about being a Malay people and a Muslim...it is an internal struggle, endless struggle, i must keep balance of all influence i got... So now i think it is western turn to feel what eastern people feel all these time....maybe in 5 years we can see western women with hijab and western men with turban and beard walking on the streets of Europe...

Alright...we'll see...judging from videos i watched, it is the same, just maps with filler enemies...and now it look like Bloodborne

yet another Malaysian bands...

Of course, Islam is just a religion...but this religion moved it's followers, the Arabs, to learn all knowledge available. Islam changed the Arabs from being ignorant into enlightenment. The first revelation in Quran is "Read, in the name of Allah who created you from blood clot". That's the first step. What i mean is Islam is a catalyst for changes in which makes the Arabs are knowledge hungry. That's the Arabs, of course Muslims are not just the Arabs, there are Persians, Turkish, Spaniards, Moorish, Chinese, Malays...and on and on...every Muslims bring on own knowledges and share it, contribute it to Islam. That's why you can see everything found by Muslims either it was original or originated from somewhere, it is contribute to Islam. Persian Muslims don't contribute it to Persia, and so others toward their nationality, but to Islam. Al Khwarizmi who created the Algebra, originally Al-Jabbar, he study Hindu numerology, and so many others, and making mathematical formula for what? For Islam...it is for Muslims to make easy counting the zakat, the alms, and make bearings toward Makkah for prayer and pilgrimage. You can't deny it is contribution from islam because Algebra is created for Islam. The same in chemistry, it was Al-Khemyt, then Alchemy...it was Egyptian knowledge, learned by the Muslim Arabs for what? To learn the truth behind all things, the truth about Allah creations. What motivate the Arabs to learn that knowledge is Islam. from there the knowledge evolved and spread to the west, becoming modern chemistry. You can't deny islam contribution to the world because it is too many. If there is no islam, the world don't change into what we see today. Oh, no one is denying that Islamic scholars took Hindu, Greek and other scriptures, translated and finally developed them. But the thing is, you have all this innovation taken place when the islamic laws were the most laxed. After turning back to being closer to the scripture and focusing on out-islaming one another, all that knowledge is rendered moot and you are left with people thinking what knowledge is haram or not. All while the Iranians, who are waaaay more secular, especially the youth, are making great progress. Maybe the islamic world never emotionally recovered from the destruction of Baghdad by the Mongols, who knows. Interesting anecdote though that the Iranians have continued this tradition compared to others, either they have fallen or the Persian influence was greater that you would like to admit. Maybe they as a people, as a culture, nurture such traditions compared to the frivolous Arabs, but i admit that this last part is still speculation from my side. Besides, one can say the same thing about the Romans. Or the Han dynasty in China. But you are denying Islam contribution to the world, that's the issue and that what makes Muslims defensive. If you can put aside your sentiment toward Islam and admit Islam do bring something good, at least in the past, no one will give you a knee jerk reaction. Western historians are always biased because of Europe centricism, for example you never know that SEA was a Muslim empire and advance isn't it? Because no one told you that. It is forgotten history. It is just natural human will learn from eachother, it is natural that knowledge evolved and developed, no one can claim this and that originated here and there. But you can't deny certain group of people do dedicate themselves in knowledge pursuit and come out with something new. And today it is the western world and Japan, Muslim world become backward, it just normal, it is a cycle. When we look at history we must look at the whole.... Example is here...do you know Indian ocean trade route? Knowledge can passed through trades, we all learned from eachother through trades, new technology and new knowledge come in and out, but this stopped after western messed up everything in Indian ocean trade route...

Maybe it is a "karma"...? Sweden was Scandinavia isn't it? They are Vikings...and Vikings love to rape and raid other people settlements...so now it is a "karma"...European colonizations also do the same to many peoples and places... "Karma" can hit USA too...

Just think about it...knowledges of the past are for the elites, people like us not likely afford to learn science and whatsoever, only the nobles, the elites, the monks, the priests who have access to knowledge and able to read. People like us are likely work in the field, serve in the army or cooking at kitchen... Before Islam......Byzantium was forever having endless war with Persia...Europe was under Roman Catholic Church...if there is no islam what happen in that part of the world? It is stagnant. Muslim Arabs who break the stalemate between Byzantium and Persia, by conquering both...and this lead to Crusades by the Catholic...and that what makes the world changed forever. Muslims have open policy for learning knowledge and spread them, western peoples also learn from Muslims what you can't learn before. Knowledge also learned by the Crusaders, they moved from their homeland into new land and learned something new and bring back home. By means Islam change the world....you can't deny that.

Of course, Islam is just a religion...but this religion moved it's followers, the Arabs, to learn all knowledge available. Islam changed the Arabs from being ignorant into enlightenment. The first revelation in Quran is "Read, in the name of Allah who created you from blood clot". That's the first step. What i mean is Islam is a catalyst for changes in which makes the Arabs are knowledge hungry. That's the Arabs, of course Muslims are not just the Arabs, there are Persians, Turkish, Spaniards, Moorish, Chinese, Malays...and on and on...every Muslims bring on own knowledges and share it, contribute it to Islam. That's why you can see everything found by Muslims either it was original or originated from somewhere, it is contribute to Islam. Persian Muslims don't contribute it to Persia, and so others toward their nationality, but to Islam. Al Khwarizmi who created the Algebra, originally Al-Jabbar, he study Hindu numerology, and so many others, and making mathematical formula for what? For Islam...it is for Muslims to make easy counting the zakat, the alms, and make bearings toward Makkah for prayer and pilgrimage. You can't deny it is contribution from islam because Algebra is created for Islam. The same in chemistry, it was Al-Khemyt, then Alchemy...it was Egyptian knowledge, learned by the Muslim Arabs for what? To learn the truth behind all things, the truth about Allah creations. What motivate the Arabs to learn that knowledge is Islam. from there the knowledge evolved and spread to the west, becoming modern chemistry. You can't deny islam contribution to the world because it is too many. If there is no islam, the world don't change into what we see today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL41gX0fJng

I don't understand the joke

This is the answer of all problems actually...religion and politic going along in the past, not only Islam, but others too...Christianity, Hinduim, Buddhism, Paganism, and whatever...they always get along together...that's why in the past we have god-king, kingdom of heaven, royals blessed by the gods, and such thing... It is always about POWER....religions you guys see today are religion that have changed into what we see today...Buddhism are not monks who don't care about anything and meditate, in the past Buddhists do play politics and having empires...what do you guys think Shaolin Kung Fu is for? Shaolin monks today as they seems today is because China is now Communist. Even Jewish, it is all about politic and power, it's about sovereingnity of Jewish people and Judea, even today it is about the same thing. And so those islamic terrorists, do you guys think it is about religion or religious motivated? Naaaah...it is about power. About authority. About politic.

Western secularism is actually from islam...it is from ibn Rushd, or western called him Averroes, it is Rationalism movement that spark Protestantism movement from Christians in Europe. Ibn Rushd see how religious peoples playing politic and politicians playing religious sentiment, it was he who suggest the separation between religion and state, he's the father of Secularism actually. Ibn Rushd who formulate that there is ulama' (religious scholars/scholars) and umara' (country leader/king/president), these two cannot be the same person/body or else religion will be abused for politic and politic being abused for religion. The west quickly take this and convert it into modern secularism as we see today. In other way, Muslim world reject secularism...and it is understandable...it is because Muslims are abusing religion and politic for a very looooooong time, even today, even in my country...even though my country is secular, but not really...Muslim make excuse saying "secularism is from the west, it's Kufur (anti-Islam/religion/anti-God/infidelity)"