Sylrissa

Naturally I can only speak for myself, but I like to hope that most of the people that want to see romance make it into the game, want BG/2, PS:T etc. style romances, and not the BSN kind that has made some people have an aversion to the very idea of romance in a modern RPG. Edit: Personally I don't hate on people who like BSN romances, to each their own and all, I just think obsidian could do better with this game. PS:T romances =/= BG2 romances.In the former the romances were subtle, delicate and tied with the story. They were more hinted at than full-scale sex affairs. BG2, on the other hand, had the precursor of modern ego-stroking romances. Cheesy, obnoxious and poorly written, not to mention completely separated from the plot. They also made the romanceable characters' dialogues (aside from the romances themselves) non-existant. I never said that they were the same, the intention to Monte Carlo was that if romances get in at all, they should be more along the lines of the RPG's of old, rather then more modern games You missed the point. Romances in BG2 were much more similar to those of ME or DA than to Torment's. I see, well we must have very different memories of BG2, as I don't remember it being any where near as terrible as some of the recent romances.

Crystal clear, and while I do want romance, and believe it can very much enhance a game. I think we can come to the agreement that not all games are fitting to have romance included and if the romance is going to be poorly done and slap together, they would be better off leaving it out all together.

Naturally I can only speak for myself, but I like to hope that most of the people that want to see romance make it into the game, want BG/2, PS:T etc. style romances, and not the BSN kind that has made some people have an aversion to the very idea of romance in a modern RPG. Edit: Personally I don't hate on people who like BSN romances, to each their own and all, I just think obsidian could do better with this game. PS:T romances =/= BG2 romances.In the former the romances were subtle, delicate and tied with the story. They were more hinted at than full-scale sex affairs. BG2, on the other hand, had the precursor of modern ego-stroking romances. Cheesy, obnoxious and poorly written, not to mention completely separated from the plot. They also made the romanceable characters' dialogues (aside from the romances themselves) non-existant. I never said that they were the same, the intention to Monte Carlo was that if romances get in at all, they should be more along the lines of the RPG's of old, rather then more modern games That wish fulfillment fantasy shallowness as you say, is what many games are all about, and not just ones with romance.

Naturally I can only speak for myself, but I like to hope that most of the people that want to see romance make it into the game, want BG/2, PS:T etc. style romances, and not the BSN kind that has made some people have an aversion to the very idea of romance in a modern RPG. Edit: Personally I don't hate on people who like BSN romances, to each their own and all, I just think obsidian could do better with this game.

Indeed. You get the feeling that the same 5-10 people on each "side" tries to make up for lack of numbers by turning up the volume That's the feeling I get as well, that the same people are shouting from the roof-tops to get their stance across, when Obsidian will make the call and the game will turn out, however it turns out. Which will no doubt be incredible regardless.

New Vegas was one of the few Obsidian games I actually didn't enjoy, but I imagine my general dislike of the post-apocalyptic theme added to that, I own the old fallout games, and did enjoy them, just not as much as other games obsidian made *Goes into hiding from the pitchforks*

Agreed, regardless of my personal thoughts on the issue, Obsidian does seem to be damned if they do, damned if they don't.

"Present your argument without declaring unfounded statements please" While I agree with this part 100%, I have seen people both for and against romance, guilty of such comments with purely unfounded statements.

Now I'm thinking about Larians new game, Dragon Commander. Where I remember seeing a video where you can marry a skeleton, to get the undead faction on your side.

Agreed. That's my hope anyways, that no one was really hurt by some of the horrible comments on the stream

It was disgraceful, but not surprising in the least, it's what you come to expect from some people on the internet, and I do feel the Obsidian team handled it well.

Also want to say thank you Farudan!. and yeah xcom is sucking up lots of free time for me as well, such a fun game

I know these things take time, so I don't mind having to wait until the person responsible can find the time to get around to members not yet on the list (myself included)

Thank you, I snuck in as a member in the last hour or so, when I settled on raising my pledge to the 250 rewards tier +shipping/cards/cd and OO. I'd been following the KS since the start, but didn't decide on which tier to go on until the last day

I was happy with a solid 10 levels, so seeing this is incredible.