pipboy2000

When I read the first part of your post, I thought it might be very hard to implement a "transgender option" into a game without a huge amount of work. But in my opinion, this is a fair proposal, that can be accomplished rather easy. I like it! --- Edit: The difference in between people like IcewindDave and you is, that while he elaborately explains his point of view and proposes fair solutions you just blare a stupid one liner, that is not only in no way connected to the topic, but a very personal insult to him, even if you may deny that. Shame on you!

@Wintersong: In an earlier post in this thread, I made clear, that I understand and accept, that there will be firearms in this game. With that last post I just wanted to answer to Nivenus. Like I said: There will be firearms and even though I don't like it, it's ok. Because Obsidian shall do the game they want to do and of course because the majority over here likes it that way. Nevertheless I enjoy debating with such a role-play-loving community! pipboy2000

In other words, a fireball spell. Or ice storm. Or chain lightning. That is exactly what I am trying to say! A fireball spell, or ice storm, or chain lightning, that is what I want to see! NOT cannons or firearms! In my personal opinion, in a fantasy world such a supreme (fire)power should be represented by magic and NOT by firearms. That's what makes it a fantasy world for me. With your argumentation you could implement almost everything, since there could be spells for almost everything. Personal sci-fi energy shield -> why not? There ARE shield spells in a fantasy setting! Jumpjets on your back? -> Why not? If you have a spell for levitation! Energy weapons? If somebody can shoot lightning from his hands... You seem to be implying that knights were somehow more civilized. I don't believe that. Raping and pillaging is an honored tradition of pre-modern warfare . In fact, during the Hundred Years War (1300s-1400s), it was standard English policy to practice a scorched earth campaign against the French. Rape in war was, while discouraged by the Church and moral authorities, widely considered proof of a soldier's masculinity and valor in battle. So I'm not sure where you got your impression that somehow war crimes originated with the Landsknecht. You are right, I know that in NO war in history the soldiers behaved civilized but, on the contrary, did many disgusting things, mainly to the civil population. (I read about the conquest of Jerusalem in the first crusade, for example and I know, that knights were capable of horrific things.) But: I read many legends (myths?) like for example the song of Roland, the tale of Wolfdietrich, the legend of king Arthur, the Nibelungen etc. and this is what formed my picture of knights as well as the historical reality. You see, there is a big amount of romanticization in my view on knights and I am well aware of that (and I think I am not alone with it). But, uff, how to explain..., there is nothing "romantic" in Landsknechts, or cannons, or firearms... and that is the reason why, in my eyes (!), they do not fit in a fantasy setting. They just do not "feel" right. I hope you now can understand my point of view. pipboy2000

Oh yes, of course I have considered this. It is their game and therefore their decision, how they create it and I admit, that a "world moving on" has its own appeal. But, first of all, this thread is about "Do you want firearms in Project Eternity?" and that is what I answered to. And second: I wrote about MY opinion and why I do not like firearms in a fantasy setting. I can understand everyone, who has a different point of view. Many people have certain expectations about PE and mine was, that it is set in a fantasy setting. Since I don't like firearms in a fantasy setting, I am, understandably, a little bit disappointed. I hope you can understand my point of view. pipboy2000

First of all: This is my personal opinion. I understand, that there will be firearms in PE and I understand, that the majority of the people over here want to see them in the game. But still I want to explain why, in my point of view, firearms destroy a true fantasy setting. Second: English is not my native language, so if I make mistakes or express something in a clumsy way, please be lenient towards me. I don't like firearms in a fantasy setting for one major reason: They give me an "end of an era" feeling (like in "Last Samurai" for example) which I really do not like at all. Let me explain: It is right, that firearms appeared on the battlefields of Europe in the 1340s and it is right, that this were still the middle ages. The late (!) middle ages, to be exact. Nevertheless, the introduction of firearms was THE fundamental change on the battlefields. Not from one day to the other, of course, but mankind had fought with swords, spears, bows, riders etc. for more than thousand years (of course the Romans used other equipment than the crusaders, for example, but it still was the same category) and all of that ended with the use of guns and cannons. The firearms changed many things: - They made it possible, that a relatively untrained, unprofessional fighter could easily shoot down a high trained, heavy armored knight. - Cannons with case shots (canister shots?), which were first used in the 15th century, were devastating on the battlefield. Not only were they able to kill a lot of enemies with one single shot, but many victims were maimed (mutilated?), which, in my opinion, doesn't fit in a fantasy setting. - The use of cannons during a siege made many of the older castles obsolete. Their firepower forced the military to build new fortifications which didn't look like the castles that I would expect in a fantasy setting at all, since the walls of a "classic" medieval castle could not withstand the new artillery. (There are surely many more points, but I can't put my finger on them right now, since I am not a studied military strategist. But I hope you can get, at least a little bit, my point.) If there are firearms in a fantasy setting, it gives me the feeling, that this world is about to turn into a setting with "Landsknecht-like" soldiers/armies, and I don't like that at all. I don't know how to explain, but it just doesn't feel right in a fantasy setting. Not only I really hate the clothes of those Landsknecht bastards , but these men were brutal slaughterers who were, for example in the Thirty Years War, capable of unspeakable bestialities, which, again, in my opinion do not fit in the fantasy setting, I would expect from PE. To cut a very long story a little bit shorter: In my opinion, a fantasy game with firearms just lacks the right "medieval feel"... and yes, of course this applies to "Warhammer" or "Warcraft", to give some examples. I have seen enough of those games, lately. I cannot understand why bows and crossbows aren't enough! In my eyes, there really is NO need for guns in a fantasy setting... If I had the choice, PE would "feel" like "Baldur's Gate", "Neverwinter Nights" or maybe "Dragon Age" and not like the before mentioned. Do I still want to back this game? Yes, of course! I think this is an awesome project and I am excited about the game it will eventually become! But I would lie, if I would say that I am happy with the decision to use firearms in PE. pipboy2000

multiple: Fallout 1 & 2, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights 2...

For god's sake! NO! No firearms in a fantasy setting! Like the "real" medieval times ended for me with the invention and use of firearms, they destroy, in my opinion, a classic fantasy setting. Seeing firearms in this game would be a really big disappointment for me.