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It's not a question of belonging. Symbols mean whatever people want them to mean. If a white dove with an olive branch suddenly was used systematically to represent the KKK, it could perfectly well become a symbol of racial hatred, even if before it wasn't ever used in that sense. An exetreme example of that would be the swastika but it's the same thing as what has happened over the to medical terms for the mentally impaired, for example. I'm not saying that's what happened with Pepe, I really have no idea if that meme fits this bill. I will say, however, that to my mind, he isn't keeping the best of company in that deplorables photoshop.

Maybe it's a total coincidence but I have seen the frog drawing used by the alt-right all over the place. The Codex seems to love it, for example. I don't get the connection, but that deplorables photoshop Trump Jr posted really knocked me for a loop. In any case, I don't see how anyone can state to be proud to be associated with someone like Alex Jones, and not be considered an idiot.

It isn't morally wrong if a coach is using a position of power to force players to do a religious act when they don't believe in it? Especially in a public institution.

She didn't say that in any way. I stand corrected. She said half of Trump's supporters were in a basket of deplorables. Not that that is an improvement. But hey, at least she only insulted 25% of Americans. Obama insulted us all last week. I'd say that 25% of Americans being xenophobes is a fairly conservative estimate. Not that the statistics are any different for other nationalities, though. So the problem with her statement is not that it is untrue but rather that it is offensive. I wonder why Trump and his supporters, of all people, are complainingt. Aren't they on the side of the straight talkers who tell it like it is? I really don't think this is true. Immigrants are welcome here like nowhere else. We just ask that you do it legally! But on your larger point I disagree completely and emphatically that even 25% of us are xenophobic. I thought about all the people I know and could only come up with one but that guy hates everyone. Now I don't know enough people to constitute a sample size but speaking as someone who actually lives here... that is way off base. Actually, despite the USA having become a great country in part precisely due to immigration, the population has always been seriously xenophobic to new immigrants, be they Irish, Chinese, Polish, Italian or whatever you want. Nativism has always been a sizeable seedy undercurrent of US culture, and Trump's candidacy isn't the first time that nativism coalesces into a political force. In fact, immigration was immensely reduced after the 1920s precisely due to laws that were passed due to heavy lobbying from nativists, Again, this is not an attack on American culture, as nativist sentiment is certainly not exclusive to the US, as the growth of far right movements in Europe attests to.

She didn't say that in any way. I stand corrected. She said half of Trump's supporters were in a basket of deplorables. Not that that is an improvement. But hey, at least she only insulted 25% of Americans. Obama insulted us all last week. I'd say that 25% of Americans being xenophobes is a fairly conservative estimate. Not that the statistics are any different for other nationalities, though. So the problem with her statement is not that it is untrue but rather that it is offensive. I wonder why Trump and his supporters, of all people, are complainingt. Aren't they on the side of the straight talkers who tell it like it is?

She didn't say that in any way.

It's not like this is going to make much of a difference. The RepDem field is already the best it has ever been for third party candidates, and Johnson can't get past 10 percent. By the same measure that says Clinton should be crushing Trump, Johnson should be polling well above expectation. If 10% is already well above expectation, than his campaign is effectively dead in the water. The two party system is unavoidable.

http://25logicalreasonstovotefordonaldtrump.com/ As you can see there are valuable arguments to be made in favour of Trump.

Before suddenly deciding to run for the Republican nomination, Trump was a huge fan of the Clintons. There are quite a few videos online of him saying how they're awesome. Politicians and millionaires are all first and foremost on the side of money.

Actually, I'm the one with real power around here so the thread is now locked. You can continue talking about fake elections here, though.

The discussion has been deported to this thread.

We as in the people reading the forum. Not sure what the family remark is about but oh well. We are family Get up everybody and sing I don't think you'll like my taste in music, but ok. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB_tGab-t0g Lyrics are spoiled You just love to ruin song lyrics for everyone, don't you? Next time keep them in the fridge.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/sh/0025da4a-e0c2-4854-9da6-083ee801b2a2/8f70688d584c1ae5 This is horribly racist and it wasn't altered.

I don't get that cartoon. Isn't she surrounded by actual racists?

And it wasn't actually "ATARI", but rather Infogrames which was once a great, classic developer.

Yep, there were NWN2 forums here during development. Ferret, MCA and Feargus were occasional posters, then.

The two alternative candidates also advocate widely unacceptable policies, I think. Johnson promised to literally end the IRS. I'm not too clear on Stein's campaign, but at the very least, she appears scarily non committal towards stuff life vaccines or GMOs. She seems to represent the bad science side of the left in the US.

Clearly overstating his (potential) impact on the race. Probably. But as we were discussing before, there are other prizes to be had in the race than the White House. A trip to the debates, a strong showing on election day (say 5-7%) and a concerted effort to run congressional candidates in 2018 sets things up nicely for 2020. Assuming a suitable candidate can be found. I don't think Johnson will run again and I don't think they will have Weld without him. As long as the electoral system isn't reformed there is no way a third party becomes a viable option in the US, unfortunately.

Johnson wants to end the IRS.

What he's hiding is one of two things, or probably both. That he's using creative methods to pay less taxes and that he isn't half as rich as he states. Mostly, it's about his own public image, which is, far and away, what he values the most. By the way, did you see the recent one, where Trump was asked what his dad would think about His running for president? He replied, I kid you not, that he was sure his dad would allow it. Talk about daddy issues.

Can you understand 5-4 Conservative majority vs. 5-4 Liberal majority? That still doesn't mean in any way that the second amendment is under attack.

Closed for length and continued here.

Continue to discuss the myriad ways in which Trump is trying to drive his campaign into the ground, here.