Drowsy Emperor
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'Cos Tajikistan knows better tan 'urop https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2016/01/21/tajikistan-removes-headscarves-from-1700-women-and-shaves-beards-off-13000-men-to-tackle-jihadism/
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The proper reaction is to add him to the fire
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He's the kind of man you could write a good book about. Such a litany of nonsense sounds more like fiction than anything real
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Funniest thing ever regardin seagal https://theflyingguillotine.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/the-ridiculousness-of-steven-seagal-part-1/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=222&relatedposts_position=0
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The shame. I wouldn't give him a McDonalds coupon, let alone a passport.
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That's true as well
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As for Charlie Hebdo, here's how they contribute to making the world a worse place: On the left is their cover during the Kosovo war. The two ugly creatures are supposed to be Serbian soldiers. It says "Spring in Pristina (largest city in Kosovo)" and the balloon says "It lacks women!", on account of the corpses of the women in the background (that they murdered and presumably raped too judging by the pose of the left corpse). The cartoon implies that the Serbian army engaged in mass slaughter (and rape) in Pristina - a thing not alleged even in the kangaroo court of the ICTY (International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugolslavia) that is certainly not pro-Serbian in any shape or form. So, an entire fabrication for the purposes of demonizing an entire nation - the sort of thing Nazis did with Jew cartoons and that Goebbels would have been hanged for at the Nuremberg trials if he didn't commit suicide. On the right is a retributive internet creation by someone from Serbia. It says "Winter in Paris" and the balloon: "It lacks cartoonists!". Is this helping anything? Freedom of speech or tasteless inflammatory ****? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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We disagree on stuff pretty regularly, but I don't think I've ever been this completely opposed to your post. What the heck? That comment is so stupid I had to quote it. Malcador was the only one that got it. I do consider Hebdo bottom feeder dip****s obviously but I thought my pov on Islamic terrorism (or any terrorism really) was known well enough on this forum to get the point across with some obvious hyperbole? And the point was, Volourn, that its sad that Europe cannot raise up its issues with Islam (or countries like Saudi Arabia, where its all coming from) directly, be critical and take a firm stance on its values. Instead its up to fringe elements such as Danish cartoonists and trashy French papers to go all passive-aggressive: take cheap pot shots and provocations, stir the hornet's nest and when the inevitable reaction comes > become "martyrs" for freedom of speech. If insulting their prophet is the best that Europe can do in that cultural dialogue then we're in a sorry state indeed.
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Charlie Hebdo is "The Sun" level trash in visual form. Actually they're worse. The Sun is a slimy tabloid, but it doesn't pretend to be anything else - Hebdo isn't even that, its just despicable. Neither humorous or intelligent - all superficial shock value by insulting everything and everyone in the basest most possible manner by abusing the idea of freedom of speech. Yeah, that's what humorous cartoons amount to in Hebdo. All things considered the terrorists that shot them up were probably better people than they were. Everybody parroting "Je suis Charlie" was possibly one of the lamest thing to happen in the west. One doesn't fight terrorism by standing behind the most embarrassing and toxic product of one's culture - if that's the best "freedom of speech" can offer, it might as well not exist.
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Drowsy despite what you may think about what motivates me I don't think Serbia or Serbs are criminals or are the only guilty party in the whole Bosnia and Kosvo conflict. Until Sarex said one day that he thinks most of the world has a negative view of Serbs I never had any negative view of Serbia and I still don't. I don't understand the history of the whole Yugoslavia animosity and I still dont understand why it appears the various ex-Yugoslav countries resent each other You should know that what white people did, and I am a part of that indirectly, in South African during Apartheid was much worse than any perceived human rights abuses Serbia may or may not have committed so I am not trying to embarrass you and I definitely dont think I am better than you so sorry for any misunderstandings about this But I don't want to fight with you about this, I just want to ask you one question. You said you are 28 so how would you have remembered details about the war in 1992 if you were 5? The reason I raise this is dont you think its possible what people told you about the conflict may not be necessarily true or perhaps a little biased? Naturally I don't remember much of it. But since it colored everything that happened so many years later its inevitable that one learns about it. Besides, I have an interest in history and politics so I read up on it. People can be biased either way, I don't really put much stock in anecdotal evidence. But saying that there was an ethnic cleansing in Croatia in not anecdotal. That's not based on hearsay, just on the fact that 150 to 200 thousand people were displaced by force (or fled fearing death). Those people were later registered in Serbia and, naturally, records of the places where they were born and lived (Croatia) exist. Those are the sort of indisputable facts that are worth using in a discussion. As for the refugees, many did emigrate across Europe, if they had a way to get past the administrative hoops, but there was nothing like the current media and political support for them - just like there wasn't much mention of the Ukrainian refugees recently (which are quite numerous).
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"Basic human rights of refugees" is a relative thing. When Serbian refugees were pouring in from the ethnic cleansing in Croatia, no one in Europe shed a tear for them. Certainly no tents and baked goods lying in wait at the railway stations. If they could get in those countries in the first place). And they couldn't because while they could apply for asylum and such, in practice they weren't going to get it. Maybe Victoria Nuland turns out to be the right after all. While the Germans are rehearsing Kristallnacht Leipzig in barbaric Serbia: https://www.facebook.com/sernemanja/videos/10208335648809593/
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And just a few days ago the Mein Kampf was printed for the first time in Germany since its banning. Talk about pro-active business decisions loloolololo
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Because its probably the wisest thing to do. There is a list of needed professions in Australia (more or less constantly) and anyone can apply to immigrate and fill those jobs. Australia is not a fortress that pours boiling oil on the plebs hammering at its doors. If you want to go there all you need to do is be something they need. I call that a reasonable immigration policy. You know that things have gone to the ****ter when the former penal colony is run better than the entirety of what was once imperial Europe.
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There is what the feminist discourse used to be about and then there's the what it actually is now and those two things have little in common.
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Go on Barothmuk, tell him how bad you feel
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" cancerous and rampant feminism " Geeez Drowsy are you also opposed to feminism? What about if someone says I support gender equality....would you see this as cancerous By the way you make some interesting points and some I agree with, its just you generally tend to frame your points in a way where as someone who supports SJ I cannot agree with. But Im sure you don't need me to support you anyway Equality yes, special treatment no. The whole feminist discourse that all men are barely contained rapists and that women are always the victims is cancer and bad for both genders.
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The most pathetic thing about the new year's eve thing, is that if it wasn't for the cancerous and rampant feminism in current European politics, in other words if women weren't the victims - we'd hear none of it. In the hypothetical scenario of hundreds of native men being beaten up the outrage would be a fraction of what it is now.
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It is however still important that we do not blame an entire culture for this or take this ****ed experience as proof that we can never coexists. We can easily assimilate immigrants, as long as we understand where and what they come from. You can easily assimilate immigrants from muslim countries? Why aren't you doing it then? Immigrants come in many forms, most of immigrants from Muslim countries in Finland have been assimilate well in our society, but most of them aren't refugees and most of them have come in controlled fashion, which are much more complex group to assimilate especially when their immigration is not controlled. Where we get to probably main causes behind problems that are caused by this crisis, which is uncontrolled immigration and too little resource in assimilation processes. Also I would put quite lot blame on politician that have been absolutely ridiculously slow to form any coherent universal way to response and handle such immigration, which has just let things get worse and worse and we get closer and closer point where government is forced to use radical actions with no time to really plan them, which usually never goes well. But such inability to make decision and constant back and forth has plagued European politics now quite long time. Of course they're assimilating "well": there are about 50 000 muslims in Finland, about 1% of the total population. Most countries can easily absorb a small amount of immigration from anywhere. At 50000 or so individuals across a relatively large country they're unlikely to form a closed society "ghetto" or become a notable political force and the likelihood of terrorism is low as well, and yet, even at that low point Finland wasn't spared the sexual harassment at this new years celebrations. According to a 2009. estimate there are about 4.5 million muslims in Germany or 5.4% of the population. According to some estimates in France its about 10% of the population, CIA world factbook estimates it at 5-10%. About 5-8 million. These are staggering numbers, even for these large countries - the population of a small state. Its no longer just the issue of an immigrant coming to make a better life for himself, for as long as they have a unifying element they become a societal and political force that cannot be ignored - political parties are forced to compromise in order to get their votes and then you have mosques springing up, Islamic universities, even something as apparently trivial as wearing hijab becomes a politically charged issue. This is plainly wrong as it is not the business of the state to modify itself according to the immigrants, rather its the other way around. But they are not stimulated to and in effect, through the ideology that's being pushed - separatism is in fact being encouraged.
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It is however still important that we do not blame an entire culture for this or take this ****ed experience as proof that we can never coexists. We can easily assimilate immigrants, as long as we understand where and what they come from. You can easily assimilate immigrants from muslim countries? Why aren't you doing it then? Why isn't it happening in France or Germany except in a minority of cases? Why did Merkel say that multiculturalism has "utterly failed" despite decades of full control of state budgets, politics and media by proponents of it? By the way, when she says multiculturalism has failed she means muslim integration, not the other religions and ethnic groups living in Germany.
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Lol, mass sexual harassment for fun is a real thing. This is the sort of thing Goebbels would say and everyone would think its demonisation and propaganda. In sweden too: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/11/world/europe/ap-eu-sweden-sexual-assaults.html I guess these are going to be written off as far-right propaganda too? ....You...you talking to me? If so I'm very confused, since all I did was translate. Nah I was just quoting you and commenting.
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Its all about clinging to power. Its not that they're concerned that the Swedish Democrats would turn Sweden into Nazi Germany. They wouldn't for a multitude of reasons, the most important of which is that they're not nearly as radical as the media portrays them. I happen to have read every party program for every single Swedish party and they're all remarkably similar. Swedish Democrats are a typical conservative party, in the old sense of the word. Not a revolutionary, dictatorial or militant party by any stretch of the imagination. They flirt with the extreme right, but the leadership are men "of the system", suits. The real issue is that a victory for the SD would undo the entire ideology and societal fantasy other parties are based upon. And since its already standing on glass legs ( supporting itself by suppressing any dissent on the contentious issue of immigration, which is not really just immigration but an entire world view, "weltanschauung" ), once defeated, they know it would be the end of their political careers for a good long time. It would be impossible to "bounce back" from that ideological defeat and the entire current Swedish political crowd would end up jobless. Its like the Soviet Union at the end of its days. The prevailing ideology cannot afford to compromise on any issue because its so frayed and tattered that pulling away a single string would undo it all. And hordes of politicians have become so invested in it that they backed themselves into a corner and can't transition to any other position.
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I am no expert, but aren't this gas pistols? They aren't banned here. Ofc it is usually not the smartest idea to wield them in public. Other than that, I'd like to have them all removed from my country simply because of rocket shooting into people. This counts for everyone who does this. There was at least one report about a 27 years old woman who got her leg blown off this time, just because some idiot thought it would be funny to point a crappy czech battery into a group of people. Yeah, and the throwing and shooting of firecrackers on police and firefighters is really low. /Edit: About guns in general- just imagine germans would be carrying guns as well... what do people believe would have happened then? A huge shootout on the streets with real guns instead of firecrackers? Would that be so much better? I doubt. As for the article, it's the BKA, our office for responding to crime (the police management you could say), basically stating that they're familiar with the "Taharrush Gamea" practice from having heard of it in other countries (less so in Germany) and are going to do everything to ensure it does not become a problem or regular occurance here. What Taharrush Gamea is, is basically when a group of muslim guys sexually harass or rape a woman in public. Lol, mass sexual harassment for fun is a real thing. This is the sort of thing Goebbels would say and everyone would think its demonisation and propaganda. In sweden too: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/11/world/europe/ap-eu-sweden-sexual-assaults.html I guess these are going to be written off as far-right propaganda too?
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Nah, I don't dislike strangers, am indifferent to dictatorships and the West is nothing to me. What I do detest though, are slavic neo-liberals, because those originating from the west can at least claim they're standing by their own ideology for better or ill and you are just... following through? Parroting what you read on BBC? Putin bad, west gud?
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No one is ignoring any of it. People simply think it's not exactly fair to judge millions of people by actions of a tiny minority. Like it wouldn't be fair to say that all Serbs are borderline fascists just by looking at you. I'm sure most of them are lovely people. Aww, is the little liberal feeling offended? Let me educate you, in case you haven't looked at an atlas lately: there are more than billion muslims in this world with dozens of states that are, for all intents and purposes, muslim exclusive societies with Islam as a state religion (and no desire to accommodate anyone else with habitual persecution of local minorities). These are not the "Jews of Europe" , the Islamic world is huge. You can no more "discriminate against it" or "judge it" than you can discriminate against or judge the Chinese or the Indians. Such judgments are so stupid and pointless that they're not even worth making. What we are talking about here is importing that culture into one that's completely different to it for no reason other than a failing ideological experiment of turning Europe into the USA. And you act like its an obligation, because its hip and cool and it makes you feel good that you can pretend to be a citizen of the world and a "good Samaritan". Have breakfast while reading the tweets of Dalai Lama, do some yoga after that, visit a Mosque later so you can Instagram your picture with a taqiyah, eat a falafel, complain that Putin is an oppressive dictator over a cappuccino, rile against the patriarchy , rinse repeat but never, ever look two steps ahead to to consider that the real world might not resemble your ideological fantasy and ponder how things might turn out a few years later or that doing something tasteless today might potentially save everyone a lot of misery down the line.
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No need for that. It was mostly solved with more international cooperation in law enforcement matters, and better laws that targeted specific practices and allowed judges to do their jobs more effectively. See? We didn't need to hang anybody, and no mass deportations were required. We call this "civilization". In fact, we consider it barbaric when countries hang offenders at the drop of a hat and inflict collective punishments on minorities. But that wouldn't make us barbarians, right? It is baffling and yet not really surprising, however, how your stance has changed immediately. Now only those "connected to organized crime" should have been punished (with which I agree), instead of flat out kicking everyone out, as you suggested previously. Care to explain why? Can't be because they are your countrymen, no siree. I'm not going to bother addressing the rest of your post — it's just your typical übermenschen wankery. All rhetorics and no substance. Actually the sense of superiority is all yours - conveniently stepping around the fact that Yugoslavs, Russians, Chinese, Danes or whoever aren't committing terrorist acts in the countries they emigrate to, don't pray in churches that preach the "downfall of the west", volunteer en masse to fight for the most barbaric entity since Genghis Khan or molest women on a massive scale - and aren't in the news every day because of some violent event or other even though the media is doing as much as possible to keep it quiet. Its so ****ing obvious that it shouldn't have to be stated - that not all of them are doing it, but enough are that its a problem with no solution in sight and there is serious and obvious Europe wide discontent with how the issue is handled that only someone who chooses to be blind can ignore. If I was such a ****ing nazi as you suggest I'd just cross my arms and enjoy everything that's happening because if this goes as it has now it won't be long before we're back to those times. All rhetoric indeed.
