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Quote me. Go find the quote that suggests this. You're being blatantly dishonest. I said you look ****ing ridiculous trying to tell someone who actually knows people who once worked for the Clinton Administration that he's misinformed about the Clintons while you simultaneously imply that you, a person who isn't even from the USA, knows better. The discussion was never "who will win," because the very post I made preceding my post addressing you implies the exact opposite: I stated I hope the FBI nails her so we don't have to deal with her, again implying she's likely to win on the Democratic side. Likewise, once again you prove incapable of making actual tangible arguments. You continue to only point at others while you can't defend your own stances worth a damn. I asked you to state why on earth you choose to support Hilary, and here you are once again changing the subject. For someone who claims to be so informed, you offer very little. I would think that anyone heavily knowledgeable about politics would want to educate as many people as possible so they vote the "correct" way, but you seem to act as though your reasons for supporting her are some really big secret that dare not be leaked. Perhaps I was mistaken. Perhaps you support her not because you're oblivious to how frequently she's dishonest, but rather you yourself can relate to a dishonest person. LK I'm not angry with you ....just annoyed You have a problem where somehow you think being rude is fine and even though sometimes I am condescending have I ever been rude to you? Yes you clearly implied as someone outside the USA I am uninformed ...you said " Surely a random asswipe in South Africa is far more educated in these matters than " End of the day you can make the exact same points without the personal attacks? And the sad part is clearly no one you respect has ever said to you " dude ...tone down the insults " Yes, I am very rude to people who are a blatant dead weight in a debate, let alone a debate that's regarding the future of a nation and you seem to treat it more as "I need to win this argument on the internet" rather than "this is actually important." Yknow why I'm rude? Because you deserve it. A debate should be a chance for people to discuss issues back and forth and highlight which facts are true, which are false and where the candidates stand on a multitude of matters, with the goal being that ALL parties involved in a debate will walk away from it feeling more informed and better qualified to cast their vote. It's not about winning, it's not about picking a side and doing ANYTHING to prove that side superior even if the debate proves your initial side may be lacking, it's about progress. You never back up your stances. You never answer questions when challenged. You never add ANYTHING meaningful to ANY debate on this website. You sit on the sidelines...who am I kidding, you sit smack dab in the middle. The sidelines is where you SHOULD be, but you always act as though you have something meaningful to say. You sit in the center of every debate making worthless, empty passive aggressive comments while providing nothing of real weight or value. And then about once a month, someone calls you out on it, and rather than manning up and participating in a meaningful way, you continue making passive aggressive comments about the person as well as the topic without actually improving yourself. Here's my take on it: you are absolute dead weight to any discussion regarding US Politics. I mean I've spoken out before about how I'm not fond of Volourn's hysteria-driven "you're a nazi" responses he's prone to, but to his credit, I'm at times willing to overlook that and read his posts while filtering that out because sometimes he can actually back up his arguments and bring information to the table. But you? I honestly don't think anyone would miss you if you were somehow barred from participating in these discussions, because what substance have you ever brought to the table...? We wouldn't be missing anything. I take debate seriously. It's a chance for progress and a chance to learn something. It should be a chance for people to come together and refine their opinions and their knowledge of the topic. The disrespect I show you...? It's akin to if you were assigned to be a fellow surgeon at an operating table when you clearly had absolutely zero medical knowledge. Of course I wouldn't respect that surgeon, of course I want them gone. They're a problem more than they are a valued asset. If that surgeon contributes in a meaningful way though, suddenly he's welcome. See how that works? How sometimes you need to be QUALIFIED to participate in something, otherwise people will tell you you're unwelcome? And granted I'm not even asking much here. It's not like I'm gonna say "your opinion about healthcare is wrong, gtfo you're unqualified." No, if I disagree with your opinion about healthcare, then at least by telling me your opinion I have a chance to counter it. You'd be an active member of the discussion. Yay! But that's just it: this is no hate vendetta, this is no malice or personal problem with you. This is all very simple: "Put up or shutup." You wanna prove me wrong? Back up a claim or stance of yours for once in your god damned life. Do that, and we're having a discussion. Don't do that, and damned right I'm gonna be discussing how worthless your opinions are and why I want you gone from the discussion. By all means you're as welcome to chat on these forums as anyone else and I'm not saying I'm trying to run you off from the community or something, but damn right you piss me off when you sit here with that entitled ****ing attitude that you have a right to sit here and PRETEND you have a lick of political knowledge like all the big boys, and how dare anyone call you out when they notice your knowledge is a facade. This discussion does not exist to make you feel smart or better about yourself, it exists so informed individuals who actually care about the matter can discuss various strengths and weaknesses they see in the main candidates. Kindly grow up, or if you truly wish to be a valuable contributer to such discussions, defend your damned candidate and defend your damned stances. Then and only then will you see that I suddenly start speaking to you with more respect; once you've earned it. You see once again this post is an example of misplaced rudeness You have a horribly incorrect view of me, I dont sit in the middle at all. I generally take one side and stand by it...for example I always support the Democrats I believe and support Western ideology I support gender equality, non-racism and the LGBT community I believe in the EU and what it stands for I am a huge supporter of Germany who was to redeem themselves after ww2 Anyway I can go on and on ....but the suggestion I sit in the middle is incongruous ? But yes of course I have made mistakes,like my support of anti-GG. That lead to unnecessary arguments But you seem to misunderstand what motivates me and why I frequent these forums. You say things like "people calliing me out " and " people wouldn't care if I left the forum " as if that matters to me, this is a forum....why do you think I would care who cares if I leave. Don’t get me wrong I really enjoy chatting to people but no one is my friend here in the sense my friends exist in RL. So I appreciate interacting with people but they are friendly forum people …not real friends And in closing this point you made about Volo highlights how confused your idea of “ normal and acceptable “ is . I like volo but if you didn’t know him and his etiquette you would think he was an insane person ….he has on several occasions insulted new people to the forum with his bizarre posting style I’ll wager not one person on this forum who knows volo will say he is consistent and always brings valid information to the table all the time….he calls Hurlshot a “ a sjw nazi “

"tone-policing ".....what does that mean?

Quote me. Go find the quote that suggests this. You're being blatantly dishonest. I said you look ****ing ridiculous trying to tell someone who actually knows people who once worked for the Clinton Administration that he's misinformed about the Clintons while you simultaneously imply that you, a person who isn't even from the USA, knows better. The discussion was never "who will win," because the very post I made preceding my post addressing you implies the exact opposite: I stated I hope the FBI nails her so we don't have to deal with her, again implying she's likely to win on the Democratic side. Likewise, once again you prove incapable of making actual tangible arguments. You continue to only point at others while you can't defend your own stances worth a damn. I asked you to state why on earth you choose to support Hilary, and here you are once again changing the subject. For someone who claims to be so informed, you offer very little. I would think that anyone heavily knowledgeable about politics would want to educate as many people as possible so they vote the "correct" way, but you seem to act as though your reasons for supporting her are some really big secret that dare not be leaked. Perhaps I was mistaken. Perhaps you support her not because you're oblivious to how frequently she's dishonest, but rather you yourself can relate to a dishonest person. LK I'm not angry with you ....just annoyed You have a problem where somehow you think being rude is fine and even though sometimes I am condescending have I ever been rude to you? Yes you clearly implied as someone outside the USA I am uninformed ...you said " Surely a random asswipe in South Africa is far more educated in these matters than " End of the day you can make the exact same points without the personal attacks? And the sad part is clearly no one you respect has ever said to you " dude ...tone down the insults "

I ? Also I didnt want to come across as implying I know more than our American friends about there own elections but as I said my view is not all my own but people who I would consider are political analysts except they never go on a TV and work for the private sector People are asking you to provide a reasonable argument on how Hillary is the most suitable candidate compared to the rest. It is beside the point on what connections you have or what conclusions they have drawn from whatever methods they use. They simply want to hear your own conclusion. Bringing in that people should trust media-shy people that you know and how they are using analytical tools unavailable to the major public, or hinting that the results are incomprehensible without the right knowledge is as stereotypical global-banker-establishment as you can come to a point of being almost hysterically funny. Hence the caricature of a jewish merchant. Maybe I'm not being clear, when you say " people " you mean LK who specifically wrote a wall of text after I asked him for bullet points ...the same LK who insulted me throughout his ramblings and now you think I am going to respond to what he asked ...dude thats hilarious But I did something better, I committed my view 7 months before the election. Its irrelevant if people believe me or not ...I'll explain after the election if you are interested

Sorry I cant remove the "Like " ....I feel connected to you now ...forever

Sorry it wasnt clear what you suggesting, thats why I asked whats your ideal Romance implementation because I have the feeling you are going to say " I dont like Romance " I know you are experienced in gaming and past history on this topic normally reveals the vast number of old school gamers dont like Romance

I ? Also I didnt want to come across as implying I know more than our American friends about there own elections but as I said my view is not all my own but people who I would consider are political analysts except they never go on a TV and work for the private sector

I wasn't sure if I should be honest but since it seems my opinion by itself is dismissed I decided to just share with everyone very early on my predictions ....that way if I the result is right we can maybe move beyond people like Vals and LN calling me stupid the whole time And trust me there are certain social trends that allow a degree of real predictability....the real dark horse and worry was the whole Sanders surge

Guys I'm use to Longknife making some of the most inaccurate and absurd personal attacks on me and typically I just ignore them but this morning he said something that really demonstrated his ignorance on a new level Basically he said " how can someone who doesn't live in the USA claim to know more about who will be the next president than someone who lives in the USA " So just to clarify why this is so irrelevant,he never asked what I do for a living or why I think Clinton will be the next president Several of my customers in the financial sector have offices or HQ in the USA and have a real vested interest in who gets elected ...so they use seriously informed think tanks to analyze trends Of course no prediction is 100 % but after NY a Clinton victory is very likely...some say guaranteed as long as Trump is the Republican candidate. So my views on the election are a combination of my research through the international media, political commentators and insight through my customers Here is my prediction, if I'm right which is likely I'll share some of the common mitigating factors with anyone interested Clinton will win the Democratic nomination and Sanders will get the majority of his supporters to support her as Trump has become the antitheses of liberals and many Democrats But the real defeat to Trump will come from the vast numbers of women in the US who Trump has patronized and insulted After the election the Demographic voting breakdown will show how most women have voted for Clinton I encourage everyone to make similar predictions ...it will be fun to see the results

benchmark for Gromnir is ps:t, but is not the romance story o' the protagonist that we thought were fantastic in that game. ravel's love for tno were distorted and hopeless and more genuine than any other crpg romance story we care to name. best crpg romance were ravel's love for tno. took most o' the game, were almost complete one-sided, had no sex scene, and concluded with mebbeth's wonderful post plane-hopping encounter. am not seeing how to do a decent tangential and optional side-quest romance. go through an entire romance story arc in a half dozen dialogue encounters? what a tragedy. romance ain't necessary for a good story, but if you are gonna include romance, you better make it central to the game story. game developers, understandable, wanna do multiple and optional romances in a crpg, 'cause choice is paramount. result: doom. "but let me assure you, this like any story worth telling... is all about a girl. that girl. the girl next door. mary jane watson." try and make a movie or game in which a romance with mary jane watson, gwen stacy and flash thompson is all possible 'til mid-point o' game (after which one is rushed into a predictable and puerile sex scene with said romance option) is not our notion o' good design or good romance. the problem for Gromnir regarding crpg romances is not that we hate romance. the problem is that we like romance. optional and tangential crpg romances is, by their very nature, flawed. fine. keep 'em optional so we need not endure such. you simple cannot give the requisite attention and depth to an optional and tangential side-quest romance to make it anything other than ridiculously rushed and immature. so either don't do 'em at all, or keep 'em optional so we need not suffer. nevertheless, the only way to do crpg romance any kinda justice, to have it worth exploring, is to make such romance integral and pivotal and essential. can't do half measure romance. solution: if you want decent crpg romance, the obvious way to include is to add such to games without making the game protagonist a romance protagonist. you can have a well-written romance in just 'bout any crpg just so long as the player is not part o' the romance. HA! Good Fun! Yes the whole PS:T Romance was interesting I agree but I cant imagine an RPG where Romance is the core objective? Romance is suppose to be about party interaction and as you said a component or side quets , I enjoy movies like When Harry met Sally but despite what some people maintain an RPG without a compelling narrative and places to explore and decent quests would be pointless for me I only end up Romancing one person per RPG because I imagine the reality of being in a party and actually dating that person and to be honest Romance dialogue is interesting but never inspirational ....but its a RPG, not a novel so my expectations are reasonable So then you may ask " but why do you like Romance "....its about the RP experience the same as I consider my choices when they have real consequences. I always play a " good guy " but I am interested in wealth So in Witcher 3 which I'm playing now I generally ask for money when people ask me to kill monsters But for me if I'm not part of the Romance that would be pointless?

Fair enough, I'm glad you reminded me because I was about to respond to LN and I wasn't sure how honest I should be ....and some of his comments really annoyed me @ LN I'll reiterate in the US political thread why Hilary will be the right choice for US president

Which is no doubt a large part of the reason why you believe so much of the ridiculous BS that you do. You can ask me to substantiate everything I tell you and I can produce a link...I wont expect you to sit through a 1 hour video Its unhelpful to produce a video to justify a point because now the only way I can have this debate is to watch the video....why cant you just send me a link like everyone else?

What I find embarrassing is your constant attacks on Clinton as if you know what you talking about " most corrupt president ever " I dont suppose you could name just 3-4 bullet points why she will be a embarrassment to history and no I dont want to read several pages of your normal posts ...just bullet points ?

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Yes...those writers were brilliant Its weird ...I even remember some lines from that series "there are universes beyond universes and my Master is destined to rule them all " ( similar to that )

Sorry dog I dont understand this sentence "why do you talk about video game romances like someone who doesn't want a tacked on dating sim is against love " I want to have this debate with you so please clarify?

No offense Tigranes but this post sounds like something you would read on the Codex....are people on the Codex supportive of Romance generally ? You see many people who dont like Romance will use a variety of perspectives to undermine the overall appetite for Romance , I have heard them all. For example its common for people to imply things like " Romance implementations are normally juvenile and cater for kids who want to have cheap thrills " ..I'm not sure if this is meant as a veiled insult but it doesn't make any difference to Promancers like me because we dont see Romance like that What game offers your ideal Romance just so I understand your benchmark?

Yeah, when you put it like that, it sounds like common sense alright. But I'm not fully convinced that's the case. See, Bioware have been writing LGTB characters into their games for some time now. Bethesda too. And yet it's BD who have managed to stir a hornets nest, and having played all the games in question, only in the case of SoD I honestly feel that the accusations of tokenism and virtue signalling are warranted. I'm all for having female characters who are not terrible stereotypes. In the cases of Safana and Corwin, that at least seems to be the intent. However, the whole thing with the tranny cleric goes in the opposite direction because the character is there obviously to be inclusive and stuff. Not only is her dialogue atrocious (execution), the character has zero depth. You can't discuss the Girdle of Masculinity/Femininity with her, or anything else, just react with "cool story, tell it again". Not even a stereotype -- more like a cardboard cutout. This fits with the writer's statements that everyone should get a chance to see themselves reflected in pop culture. Whether that reflection is accurate, fitting, respectful or elegant doesn't matter, it seems. And if you think it does, well, "too bad". If the intent is what you say it is, then great. If the intent however is to secure the moral high ground by ticking a series of checkboxes, then not so great. In their defense, they have committed to expanding the character, we'll see how that goes. No the outrage is understandable but misplaced IMO its because games like BG are like this indelible great memory that should be " incorruptible"..its like BG is suppose to be a inviolable sanctuary For many people Bioware has changed for the worst, I still like Bioware and support them, so I imagine most people had high expectations for Beamdog to resurrect the BG series So now when this type of unusual " out of BG theme" writing occurs its like a betrayal of what we remember But I really think people are being a bit overly negative ?

Because if that's all there is to the character, it's a lazy, two-dimensional stereotype, and beginning to write with the explicit goal of creating lazy, two-dimensional stereotypes is not the hallmark of an artist who takes pride in their work? I mean, you could create a character who is motivated by greed and self-interest, has gigantic boobs, and openly enjoys both her sexuality and the influence over people it gives her while being an interesting and multifaceted person on her own right, but at that point, we're past the lazy stereotypes people have problems with. I dunno, "maybe have female characters who are not terrible stereotypes" and "maybe have characters who are not straight" doesn't sound like "an attempt to piggyback issues into a popular game series" to me. It sounds more like, well, common sense. I mean, you can fault the execution, but I see nothing objectionable about the intent. I don't mean to cut in, but I found this remark very interesting. The way I see it, people rarely, if ever, fault the execution. Of anything. It's the doers intent they object to. I have a hard time comprehending anybody having problems with the intent of "let's make a diverse cast of characters who aren't lazy stereotypes". Because that's basically her intent. I agree with alum on this ....its really not a big deal to have characters from various excluded groups in games nowadays Personally I would like to see more people from the LGBT community But also Mam I like your character suggestion, she could be hot and seductive but also interesting?

Damn that sounds delicious.... What type of pickles did you use and how did you make them if you dont mind sharing We tend to pickle a lot...not so much me but my family

Thanks Gfted1 ..I didnt know that but maybe some people have used different names ?

You right...I wont give those up and the Conan And I have CLASSIC legion comics like the Darkseid story and when they fight the LSV and Karate Kid dies "The Great Darkness Saga" and the big return of the LSV to launch the 1984 Baxter series. Yeah a real good period for the Legion. Remember how hectic it was when Darkseid brainwashes those people from Daxam ( mon-el world )

Thanks for responding, I appreciate the feedback I know Romance isn't something that all people on this forum support or even think is relevant in a RPG ...we have had debates about this for ages and I am always interested in why people dont like Romance because all the reasons I have ever heard have never really convinced me ..which is fine as we all have our own RPG preferences In summary for me I always immerse myself in the RPG experience and imagine I'm the actual character or member of a party and if I was on some epic quest to save the world why wouldn't I also want Romance with someone like Isabela or FALL-from-Grace So Romance is part of the overall immersive interation when I engage with my party members

Hah, yeah same here - I remember trying to hold my own in a discussion with Metadigital - and not doing so well... or just discussing politics as a young ideological Scandinavian on an American board heh Hah, yeah same here - I remember trying to hold my own in a discussion with Metadigital - and not doing so well... or just discussing politics as a young ideological Scandinavian on an American board heh Metadigital handed my metaphorical butt to me a coupleof times too. And the guys was the WoT as interesting as it is nowadays? It was actually pretty contentious back then. Keep in mind this was directly during the aftermath of the Iraq invasion. Ender and Mkreku went round after round nonstop it felt like. Of course...time tends to distort memories.. Good point ....it must have been very ideological Leferd how long have you been here?