BruceVC

I was watching an interview around him, he was very arrogant and repeatedly made comments like " of course there is wide spread voting fraud that impacts the election results ....everyone knows this in states like New Hampshire. The Democrats bring busloads of people into NH to skew the voting results ". This is despite the fact no evidence has been produced about these apparent " busloads of illegal voters " http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/12/politics/stephen-miller-trump-voter-fraud/index.html

That's true. But te question has to be WHY such things can happen and are accepted. Which brings us pretty quickly to failed interventions.Bennie I want to you ask you a simple but relevant question, all that is required is an answer ...no real debate Do you agree that Russia and Putin are responsible both directly and indirectly for real human rights abuses and more than likely war crimes in Syria and places like Aleppo? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/25/russia-accused-war-crimes-syria-un-security-council-aleppo https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/07/syria-russia-war-crimes-inquiry-john-kerry http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/syria-un-pressures-russia-over-war-crime-of-aleppo-attacks-1.2805158 Yes of course. My turn: do. you agree that failed western interventions is one of the big causes that lead to the rise of fundamentalism and religious extremism? If you want to have a meaningful debate around the rise of Islamic extremism and how much blame the West has and how this has destabilized the ME, and many parts in the world, then we need to go back to when Islamic extremism was first seen and this can become fairly subjective but for me the rise of Al-Qaeda is the most reasonable and accurate benchmark for this ISIS came after AQ but in the last 30 years or so we need to look the reasons for the creation and growth of groups like AQ. Based on this and next few points I dont believe the West is largely responsible. So ask yourself these questions because the real question needs to be " how did AQ come into existence " ...so the main points are Is the West responsible for the USSR invasion of Afghanistan : At the end of this war Bin Laden believed in a world where his interpretation of Islam was the most effective, he believed in what later was known as Islamic extremism Is the West responsible for the First Gulf War : This was the invasion of Kuwait from Iraq and the failure of the ME countries to follow Bin Laden's flawed advice to not invite Western countries to help the ME. Bin Laden felt his ideological objective was being undermined when the West intervened 9/11 and the war on terror : Who do you think committed 9/11 The reasons for the Arab Spring: Do you think the West was behind this ?

I would expect nothing less than a Stalinist commissar from the People's Republic of Commiefornia. funny

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-flynn-idUSKBN15S0BR This is potentially a very big development and raises the whole issue of election promises, " post-truth " comments, hyperbole and general controversial views that some of the Trump staff have made Flynn misled Pence and I'm glad he resigned, this is good news. Russia is not the friend of the USA despite what Putin was hoping would be the outcome of the Trump victory. Sanctions wont be changed unless Putin changes Russia's strategy on issues like interference in Ukraine and the illegal annexation of Crimea The path to Russian economic recovery lies firmly in the hands of Putin becoming a more reasonable player and contributor in the arena of global politics, its incredulous to think Putin believes you can behave in such a belligerent way and not find yourself the target of Western sanctions Trump needs to navigate a difficult political reality, he has some populist views in his staff who played an important role in ensuring his victory but now he needs prudence and reasonable outcomes and comments to deliver on some of the campaign promises. And he does have a some good people working for him like Mattis and Rex Tillerson who understand the importance of the role the US plays in the global world

That's true. But te question has to be WHY such things can happen and are accepted. Which brings us pretty quickly to failed interventions. Bennie I want to you ask you a simple but relevant question, all that is required is an answer ...no real debate Do you agree that Russia and Putin are responsible both directly and indirectly for real human rights abuses and more than likely war crimes in Syria and places like Aleppo? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/25/russia-accused-war-crimes-syria-un-security-council-aleppo https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/07/syria-russia-war-crimes-inquiry-john-kerry http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/syria-un-pressures-russia-over-war-crime-of-aleppo-attacks-1.2805158

Bannon would definitely be in my list

Kennedy praised Hitler, so there's that. Demonstrating Godwins law isnt an admired outcome , lets not play the HItler card at all ?

The "west"? Isn't the party line to trot out the ole "the majority of terrorism happens in ME countries". What did they do to deserve it? Oh yeah, slightly different interpretation of the scripture. I guess pretty much anything is a valid reason huh?Well you were bleating about Crusades and others so you weren't looking at the West? Isn't all that hard to understand things don't reach a point without a lot of hands involved. Ah well. No the West must take some responsibility for the rise of Islamic extremism, it would be disingenuous to suggest the West has played no part I would say the West is maybe 8-10 % responsible for Islamic extremism, the rest is other factors most Muslim countries are grappling with like implementing human rights and particularly recognizing the rights of minorities like women and other groups ... 8-10%? Yes I realize this may sound excessive but lets accept some historical blame ?

I backed this game but I havent been following much news...if any I am glad it hasnt been fully released yet...when is the expected date ?

But Trump constantly insults the media and makes it personal, naturally that is going to increase the whole " us VS them " view some in the media feel A free media is a cornerstone of freedom of speech, when you call the media " the opposition " or " fake news " for many people you are actually attacking the principle of free speech So Trump plays a big part in this negative perspective the media have towards him Media fired first and hasn't stopped. Why place blame on him when he is firing back? Media has been firing since the election. Unfortuantly the media has shown that it hasn't learned its lesson and from the get go Trump has made it clear his personality, those 2 prideful bastards will keep going on until one is dead. Media can lay off the blantant pushing of their view that they want u to believe is true. Trump can stop being so triggered and quit giving them a lot of ammo. Does it not concern you that any president is this openly hostile to the media which as I mentioned are an extension to the principle of free speech?

The "west"? Isn't the party line to trot out the ole "the majority of terrorism happens in ME countries". What did they do to deserve it? Oh yeah, slightly different interpretation of the scripture. I guess pretty much anything is a valid reason huh? Well you were bleating about Crusades and others so you weren't looking at the West? Isn't all that hard to understand things don't reach a point without a lot of hands involved. Ah well. No the West must take some responsibility for the rise of Islamic extremism, it would be disingenuous to suggest the West has played no part I would say the West is maybe 8-10 % responsible for Islamic extremism, the rest is other factors most Muslim countries are grappling with like implementing human rights and particularly recognizing the rights of minorities like women and other groups

Yes but its illegal to not wear a headscarf according to the article? The Swedish government surely cant break Iranian law

Vox - A conversation with chess champion Garry Kasparov. Meh, US bought the 1996 election for that incompetent drunkard Yeltsin. So they gave Yeltsin one chance and it was the last free election they had as well. Yeah, except, for:Îles des Saintes Marie-Galante la Désirade Martinique Clipperton Island Saint Pierre and Miquelon Saint Martin Saint Bartholemew Mayotte Reunion French Guyana Tahiti New Caledonia I guess I could add all the colonies that the UK still holds as well (such as Diego Garcia, which the UK depopulated in the 60s/70s, to show how enlightened they'd become), but nah.Most people have never heard of half those places...you have to list relevant countriesSo only relevant people deserve sovereignty? And if so what determined relevance? If you go down that path you'll get into some very dangerous places I'm sure you don't include into "responsible capitalism" I doubt many of the countries in that list want independence from France, they are considered Regions of France and there quality of life under France is better than if they were independent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_France

Vox - A conversation with chess champion Garry Kasparov. Meh, US bought the 1996 election for that incompetent drunkard Yeltsin. So they gave Yeltsin one chance and it was the last free election they had as well. Yeah, except, for: Îles des Saintes Marie-Galante la Désirade Martinique Clipperton Island Saint Pierre and Miquelon Saint Martin Saint Bartholemew Mayotte Reunion French Guyana Tahiti New Caledonia I guess I could add all the colonies that the UK still holds as well (such as Diego Garcia, which the UK depopulated in the 60s/70s, to show how enlightened they'd become), but nah. Most people have never heard of half those places...you have to list relevant countries

Not at all, as I mentioned numerous times Western democracies work even if there is some valid criticism and responsible Capitalism is the best way to grow most economies... Because western democracy and capitalism hasn't been used to "justify" any extremism? Oh it has historically but again you seem to ignore the data that is freely available when it comes to the best systems of government nowadays, we should not ask ourselves " what are the wealthiest top 10 countries " as the best metric as wealth doesnt always equate to happiness which should be more important. We should ask " what countries overall have the happiest citizens " ....they almost all Western countries, I don't need to convince anyone Western values offer the most effective governments. The facts are the facts http://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/top-10/2016-worlds-happiest-countries/ http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/23/travel/feat-world-happiest-countries-2015/index.html https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/the-worlds-happiest-countries-in-2016/

Not at all, as I mentioned numerous times Western democracies work even if there is some valid criticism and responsible Capitalism is the best way to grow most economies

They are not fleeing islam as a religion. They colonising and creating their own societies. You mean to say that most of them are fleeing war, persecution or poverty in their own countries and we don't let them to integrate to our society but instead we put them for years in centers where they have little to none daily interaction with main population. I would point out that tens of thousands of Muslim refugees are willing to convert to Christianity (although often motivated y hope that makes us to let them stay) Strange how middle eastern and north african muslims fail to integrate into western societies while the rest does even if you take into account the detriment policy of dumping anyone into the ghetto. Previously we invited Salman Rushdies to the west to live in freedom from tyranny, but last year the door was open for any jester fooling the lady border patrol officer that he suddenly wants to be christian and if you don't open the border for him, he and his pals will storm it, throw rocks at you or any other means necessary. It is strange how there are several (5) restaurants run by middle eastern and north african muslims just one kilometer radius from my home In other words you saying there are real degrees of integration when Muslim refugees arrive in Finland?

"Be nice to muslims or they will kill you, because islam is the religion of peace", the post. No The message is "if someone becomes an extremist, help him and solve the problems that made him an extremist, don't just radicalise him further by showing more hate". Is that really so difficult to understand? How do you help an ex-ISIS member who has been fighting for ISIS in one form or another for the last 5 years?

No there is no doubt on the strategy, the way you address a group like ISIS is to annihilate them in there so called " caliphate " which basically exists in 2 cities and one is under siege by various ME forces. These cities are Mosul in Iraq and Raqqa in Syria Once ISIS is militarily defeated in these cities you vastly reduce the effectiveness of there ideological message that resonates with some people. Then you work with the Muslim community in various Western countries to eradicate any extremist element that exists in these countries

Some could say that there would be much less people immigrating if France had not conquered quite lot other countries in North Africa, Middle East and Asia. In the early 1960's France, like the UK, gave back all their colonies, there was no more occupation or Colonialism http://www.empathosnationenterprises.com/Consulate/EN-Library/Black-Studies/afindep.html So where do we draw the line where countries take responsibility for their own citizens, ensure good governance, stimulate their economies so there is less immigration? 100 years.....1000 years ? The line is where said action don't anymore have impact on people's lives. But France gave for lots of people in its colonies France citizenship, which is main reason why there is so many Muslims in France today. They had their assimilation policy where they teach people become French and then become French if it they didn't want to be French. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assimilation_(French_colonialism) Also France had law, passed in 1961 [article 21-19(5º)], that enabled people from former French territories to apply for immediate naturalisation, bypassing the normal five-year residency requirement for would-be French citizens. That was in effect until it was repealed (by article 82 of law 2006-911) on July 25, 2006 under the direction of Nicolas Sarkozy, who was then Minister of the Interior. So are we now criticizing France for trying to speed up the integration process from there former colonies or are you saying the integration was correct but the implementation was wrong? And what should they done differently in the 1960's-1980's that would have led to a different outcome nowadays where some of the French citizens from former colonies feel marginalized and turn to Islamic extremism and attack France itself ?

But Trump constantly insults the media and makes it personal, naturally that is going to increase the whole " us VS them " view some in the media feel A free media is a cornerstone of freedom of speech, when you call the media " the opposition " or " fake news " for many people you are actually attacking the principle of free speech So Trump plays a big part in this negative perspective the media have towards him

Some could say that there would be much less people immigrating if France had not conquered quite lot other countries in North Africa, Middle East and Asia. In the early 1960's France, like the UK, gave back all their colonies, there was no more occupation or Colonialism http://www.empathosnationenterprises.com/Consulate/EN-Library/Black-Studies/afindep.html So where do we draw the line where countries take responsibility for their own citizens, ensure good governance, stimulate their economies so there is less immigration? 100 years.....1000 years ?

not getting it, are you? we were dismissive o' your admitted blind posting o' an article you didn't even bother to read, and your defense o' such ridiculous behavior. the fact you still don't grasp your error only compounds the mistake you made, and increases our mirth. serious. how is this not getting through to you? HA! Good Fun! And now you are blatantly lying, because you dismissed the article BEFORE I said anything about reading it. Tough luck. Being pretentious can bite you in the end. Ha! Good Fun! Dude please, just quit when you already horribly beaten ...dont drag on the embarassment

Denying help? Who said that letting immigrants in your country is helping or that's the only way to help? Their country is broken, partially due to our involvement. We also live in some of te richest countries on earth, so we can take it. But Bennie those pictures are from Syria? The West is not responsible as the civil war was caused by the Arab Spring and the refusal of Assad to be more inclusive of his own people, why do you think the West needs to take moral responsibility ? And then Russia is responsible for the bombing of Aleppo....you should be blaming them ?

GD is this the guilt post where you finally admit " BruceVC was right, I should never have voted for a third party and allowed Trump to win " Trump has really not been so bad in my assessment, especially around foreign policy. Some of his appointments like Mattis have really made some good decisions and followed prudent choices around international issues