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http://www.twitch.tv/obsidian It gets pretty insane at the end with completly wasted MCA.

Justin was in the forum for a short while

Hy guys. Been here since 2010, though I lurked around a year before.

I'm back, hungover, but happy.

I LOVE YOU PEOPLE FOR BACKING THIS. I LOVE THE DEVELOPERS FOR DOING THIS. I LOVE TIM SCHAEFER FOR TAKING THE STEP TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THANK YOU SO, SO ****ING MUCH

You have terrible taste in movies ,,,

They are going hard on the alc.

Stream on http://www.ustream.tv/channel/project-eternity-live-stream

So, what are you guys doing after it is over?

It's the actual background track of the second gif. An old SNL sketch with Jim Carrey and well known internet meme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-pnkzscxro

LESS THAN 1 HOUR TO GO. BEERS READY. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VVmbhYKDKfU

That may have been a misunderstanding, as everything else I meant that in context to the order as a whole. Individual opinions are more than fine. They're great. Sorry.

Yup, and if we're staying this way, I'm happy. I also think the point has been made. So, the thread can go under/closed.

*We* exist. As an idea. Yes. And ideas are mighty powerful. Obsidian cares about us. They care about the *idea* of the order. They have shown that plenty of times. That is what gives said *ideas* a form/power.

I didn't say I hate drama, I love internet drama. I love discussions, I even like the RPG-Codex more than others. This has nothing to do with threads. Read my posts.

The problem? The internet....that's the problem. We can discuss this to death but it won't prevent much....we have well over a year before the game releases and I promise you that in the mean time there will be quite a few discussions that are going to get really bad. Ignore/Report and move on....part of the package you signed up for when you decided to partake in social media on the internet.... I don't have anything against the discussions. I think the discussions are great. Again, it's about the order itself. It can easily be quite influental on the development process due to its now big size. The order IS on Obsidian's mind. Visible Groups of people ARE influental. They are on Obsidian's mind and due to that have influence already. This is a normal process in society. We just shouldn't misuse the position of the order, in any case (imo) and everybody should be clear on what it actually represents. That's why I made this thread.

What is senseless? Discussing responsibility and how we position ourselves?

As I wrote there isn't really one yet. But it can expand into something bigger very fast. This is the issue with large fan groups, or any group in general. We have power in a group. We have influence in a group. This is something that comes naturally in a process, it's how unions work. We have certain responsibilities, especially as a fan-group. And we have to discuss them. That's what this thread is about. @Ieo You're misunderstanding, the group, the order using their influence. It's a union now? It's not. That was an example of groups that gain influence the larger they are. I'm pretty positive on the reactions in this thread I must say and they give hope.

And I didn't state it's specific about dlux but about the reactions. Which again, aren't a problem YET. But can become so, if we don't discuss the problems and influence of the order. Which we should.

Yup, this thread is mainly for prevention so the actual issue does not arise and the order does not get misused by its members.

As I wrote there isn't really one yet. But it can expand into something bigger very fast. This is the issue with large fan groups, or any group in general. We have power in a group. We have influence in a group. This is something that comes naturally in a process, it's how unions work. We have certain responsibilities, especially as a fan-group. And we have to discuss them. That's what this thread is about. @Ieo You're misunderstanding, the group, the order using their influence.

It's not. But it shows signs as little as they may be. And this can get very fast, very big (as in any case with big groups) very bad. This is why we need to discuss this now.

Inviduals voicing their opinion is fine. Not exactly in a demanding matter though, though this is sometimes unavoidable in a internet forum. However using the group/order isn't.

I'm not just talking about dlux. Other posts as well (including the thread about putting something in the game, which honestly the devs should decide themselves), that have certain indications. And as I said I'm just getting scared and think the issue needs some attention before it becomes a real one.

Reading up on last night has been quite, well mindboggeling. A lot of actions and thread behavior has been not about supporting the developers and their decisions (which I thought was our goal), but about making demands. I know that is a bit melodramatic and it has not yet degenerated. But, I'm getting scared nonetheless. And the way it's going it might just get out of hand. What is actually our goal now? Do you expect Obsidian to owe the order something. Because honestly, that way ends bad, very, very bad.