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y/n, gotta know for my school project.

The entire basis of the capitalist system is that they don't make as much money as hours/effort put in. They make as little money as the arbitrary capitalist system figures it can give them, which has very little to do with actual effort. Ultimately people in the capitalist system don't make the "free choice to work," since if they don't work, they will have no money, and cannot support themselves.

People say, "force is required to implement communism." To that I ask, why? Why do you have to force people to work? They say, "well, because they won't work if they don't have to." But then you are left with the obvious question - why do they work in a capitalist society?

Cuba, Moldova, Belarus, et cetera. In a communist system instead of choosing from a wide variety of oppressors, you have a single one that has a vested interest in ****ing you in the ass. The rich "business" men, investors; those who make their money work for them, using it as liquid capital to create more liquid capital by harvesting the work of decent, hard-working citizens.

What the **** is this ****. Helping other people is slavery? Working on behalf of the state is slavery? "Hurr, well, in a capitalist system you can choose from a wide variety of oppressors, all of whom have a vested interest in ****ing you in the ass. But more than one, eh!!!" In the communist system, man works for the community. In the capitalist system, man works for the capitalist class. Which would you choose?

Let me just, ah, make **** up here. Right, there we go. Why don't you offer a reason why "totalitarian rule" and communism are inevitably connected? Oh, right, because you can't.

No, that was caused by its military overextending itself into Afghanistan, hardly a trait impossible to see in capitalist countries.

Stop swallowing this propaganda. The military of the USSR was without a doubt its weakest accomplishment, with the mass purges and all. Prior to WW2, there was little doubt in the west that the USSR was an emergent power. In 1937, it was the second industrial power in the world. It took over 20 years for the USSR to be plunged into the Great Patriotic War, and it was without a doubt brutalized. But, I remind you, it beat back the very same nation which conquered half of Europe, and which had previously broken the entirety of Russia over its leg (at the time significantly larger).

People always pull this. It's been nearly twenty years since the collapse of the Soviet Union. In that time, the Russian Empire was destroyed, rebuilt twice over, and collapsed into civil war only to see Lenin emerge the victor, and then, the nation engaged in a policy of rapid industrialization on a hugely successful scale. What's the difference here?

Pathetic. You can't really think that those nations are all worse than their successors/predecessors, right? I mean, the fall of the USSR alone ****ed up everything in the east, and the only country which is actually better in the post-Soviet era is Romania.

Yeah, I will, since it is.

I'm gonna look forward to when the JDPON puts you in your place.

Is it propaganda if it's true?

Actually, the Allies decided to use Germany's war atrocities as a propaganda tool, and this caused German nationalism to damned near disappear for a good while following the war. However, Japanese war atrocities were allowed to slip under the rug, and many of its members (such as the leader, Shiro Ishii) got away clean, some even returning to assist the United States in the Korean War.

A bunch of the quotes are from this book, the general facts are from a couple web pages about it, and two quotes are from some 72-year-old Unit 731 apologist/former member/farmer.

The origins of Unit 731 were simple: Japanese officials figured that, since germ warfare had been banned by the Geneve Protocol of 1925, it had to make a good weapon. In its time, Unit 731 killed anywhere between 3000 to 200,000 civilians and prisoners of war, and the developments in biological warfare made by it and other similar units were used to kill many more. In early November, 1941, for example, Unit 731 dispatched an airplane to spread bubonic plague at Changte. But beyond these simple, almost bland facts, lies something much more horrifying than that. In the end, though some westerners are loathe to admit, there were scattered accomplishments. I have seen people claim that the people in Unit 731 were crazy sadists who accomplished nothing and produced only worthless ****. This is not, however, true: Unit 731 proved that the best treatment for frostbite was immersion in water between 100 and 122 degrees. This "crazy nips" theory reeks of racism, to be honest, and tends to be coupled with the idea that Nazi science accomplished much more. The method of discovering this was, of course, horrifying. Live humans were used to experiment, including a three-day-old infant. Unit 731, for its horrifying techniques, did do quite well at its purpose. Its developments in biological weapons succeeded; many refined samples were used to kill many Chinese civilians. Many former members of Unit 731 attended on the side of the United States in the Korean War. They were there because the United States was using BW and was unable to protect its own troops. General Shiro Ishii, the head of Unit 731, was allowed to live until his death of natural causes in 1959.

I'd like an avatar of Augusto Pinochet, please.

True. But I was really just recommending it because I wanted to depress someone. :twisted: There are plenty of dating sims which succeed at making you empathize with the characters and have large interactivity, though. Uh, I think you're misrepresenting the plot here? I'm gonna just pretend I made a reference to house slaves here.

Rosa Luxemburg, bitch. Look it up.

You assume that I am not a woman.

You wish you knew how to use a trackpad, Mr. n00b13 mcn00berson.

Mouse? Controller? Heh. Thanks, but no thanks, n00bs. I think I'll use the ultimate control scheme: trackpad. If you can't own dudes with a trackpad, you don't deserve to own dudes.

Yeah, there's definitely some valid points in here. Especially the way that games tend to treat sex as the "end point" of relationships, but also with respect to the "keep talking to me and I'll have sex with you" thought process. That definitely really came through in Mass Effect, much more than in KotOR. I think that the argument that "Yeah, well, that applies to everything," isn't quite proper. Many games succeed at creating close relationships with secondary characters, and probably the best way to do this is to make relationships two-way. In most video games with sex, you "put in" something (time in conversation, monsters killed, et cetera) and "get out" something (sex) at the end. However, video games which involve characters who contribute directly, consistently, show a much better ability to make you bond with these characters. Further, many "dating simulators" manage to make you empathize with the female characters; I'd highly recommend "Narcissu" (available free online) if you want to see how it's done. Ultimately though, I think that despite the "collect them all" sort of lingo that Obsidian has used, this game will probably fall more on the feminist side of the equation, through interesting, developed characters (Obsidian being well known for this) and continued relations after sex.

The IWW... the CNT-FAI... anarco-syndicalism has been a powerful political force throughout history, and owns pretty hard. A lot of Lenin's pre-revolution rhetoric was cribbed from the anarco-syndicalists. Anarco-syndicalists have established functional democratic workers' states. They are pretty cool dudes. So will there be any in the game? I mean, this is a game that draws off of the real world, right?

Well. Without explicit expectation. There would be similarly implicit expectation in any democratic socialist nation.