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Why? None of them have suffered injury that would make that relevant last we heard. Besides, KotOR already had that with Malak. But nobody says the exile must follow either choice for good, and given that the first one is the same as for the LS ending, which one is the exile likely to have taken by the time KotOR3 begins? My point is that TSL tried to reconcile why Revan had chosen to go and seek the true Sith regardless of whether you chose the LS or DS ending in K1, even though those endings were pretty different. By the same token, the exile ends up in a similar place in TSL, setting the stage for a KotOR3 plot where the starting positions of Revan and exile are already in place. I thought Saul Karath, because his child would be hated in the Republic for the sins of the father. I mean, if this child was force sensitive, how would even the jedi respond? Surely even they would be reluctant to teach the child, fearing it might take his or her father's path. What better ironiy would it be to have a such a person become pivotal to the fate of the galaxy - will this person save a galactic republic that hates him or her, or will he or she against it out of revenge for the treatment. Lots of character potential right there, I think. Well, yes and no. Kreia says Revan was powerful, but then she's not exactly the most impartial source, being his old mentor and clearly very proud of it. It's almost as if regardless of al the terrible things Revan did, she prides herself on how significant Revan has been to galactic history, perhaps because she is bitter over how her own teachings have always been scorned by the jedi and so never allowed her to achieve her own goals, so now she takes pride in the accomplishment of the "child" she has raised. Kreia is a mother-like character and very proud of her "son" Revan. Berating the exile for his or her missteps frequently comes with ill-hidden references to how much better Revan did things. Not that I disagree Revan was powerful, mind you. I consider Revan among the most powerful sith/jedi of his age. As for hearing about the childhood of Revan and exile, no thanks. I agree with qt-pi (heh - just got that ) that their pasts is whatever you want for them as pc of their game. This is especially true in Revan's case because his motives for "falling" to the dark side is for the player to decide. Was Revan seduced by the dark side or did he, as Kreia speculates, never fall but instead made a choice to become something terrible to serve a greater good? That goes to the heart of who Revan is, and you can't delve into that without interfering with motives that are for the player to decide. This is one thing that TSL handled really well by letting characters speculate about it but not giving evidence for. It has created a few problems too, though, like some fans who now insist that Revan is so powerful that even the dark side itself cannot control him, that he is beyond corruption, and than he only took the mantle of sith lord to gain more power and only did horrible things to the republic in order to prepare for the coming struggle with the true Sith, who would have done worse to the republic anywat (insert unspoken 'so who cares what evil he did to the republic' here). the whole "robotic voice" thing was more of a joke than a suggestion. i agree. your choices LS/DS mean nothing in effect to the story. it is ultimately the choice of LA as to where the story ends up. saul karath's child doesn't really appeal to me... sorry. there is character potential there though... well... i take back my comment about revan being "a plain old jedi/sith" he did have some ability. Maybe not so much force wise but... when it came to dueling and leading armies revan probably owns. i'm more of a fan of the old sith (the ones buried on korriban). Darth Nilihus was bad ass... but... he got his ass killed by the exile (though Nilihus probably would have won if he wasn't weak from hunger). the sith seem to possess more unique force abilities than any jedi ever could. i don't know why revan did what he did. i don't think anyone does... yet. i think kreia thought more of the exile than she did of revan. don't even try to fight me about that one. you know that one's true. my main argument about the exile was that you probably won't be playing as him/her in k3 as a main character. i want k3 to be played outside of republic space. the only places i would want to go in republic space will be either malachor V or korriban. the game (k2) makes it pretty obvious that revan wanted the republic to survive (for whatever reason... good or evil). no sith being a powerful as Palpatine...?? that's bull. there are tons more powerful force wise. palpatine building the empire was just good planning on his part. the truth is... revan vs. palpatine one on one... revan wins. revan vs. palpatine... revan with army... palpatine with army.... revan wins. palpatine's death was unimaginative. he got picked up and thrown into an engine... how sad is that? jediphile, when you said something about zapping the rakata when they got basic wrong... i got the funniest picture in my head. good stuff jediphile... good stuff...

Ehm, except throughout all of K1? LS/DS is "eliminated" by the common stance against the true Sith (whoever they are), because they are either a threat to the Republic that LS Revan must stop or else a threat of DS Revan's dream of an empire. But the same is just as true for the exile. As for mask, sure, you can fix the gender/appearance by having both Revan and exile wear masks, but why bother? How many different faces do you have for Revan in K1 and exile in TSL to choose from? And they all worked out just fine, even though that's probably the most seen face in each game. It's a total nonissue. Voice is actually more challenging, but not really a problem - TSL has lots of cut Traya dialogue by both Kreia and Atris, depeding on who turned out to be Traya in the originally planned plot. So having both male and female alternatives for both Revan and exile is not really a major problem. Some argue that exile never spoke in TSL (whereas Revan does make "ready"-comments in K1), but frankly I'd rather have a fixed voice for exile than not have the character speak at all. Kreia: "Instead, I remained here... and now show others the way.But the way lies past me. If you wish to go, then you need to stop me.It is your choice. I had hoped you would follow Revan's path, but you and Revan are... different, and your path is your own.You may take one of the ships that orbit Malachor and depart this place. Or you may remain here on Malachor, and wait for the others, those touched by the Force, who will come in time.Or you may return to your exile, where your presence will no longer affect the actions of others. There is no dishonor in any of these choices... I only ask that you make the choice without regret." Well, I'll admit getting that mask is optional and only if you don't sacrifice Visas. Obviously she was human, but are there even any of the Mandalorian species left? Didn't seem so to me. Besides, Mira tells the exile she is of mandalorian descent. A slave? Sure, but all the neo-mandalorians were until they decided to join. That's true of all mandalorians we've seen taking their masks off in the games, though I'll admit those numbers are few. We didn't, which is why exploring that is a viable option. Didn't say you were. That comment was not directed at you. But there are fanboys out there who have a very exaggerated opinion of just how powerful Revan was and is. Satisfied? k1 aside... i totally agree with the "common alliance against the true sith eliminates LS/DS differences. ok =) you're sort of right on the revan/exile voice issue. why not have "darth vader voice" (robotic)? kreia gives you three choices. 1. leave malachor V (and probably go look for revan). 2. stay on malachor V and help others find the way. 3. continue your exile (where ever). yeah... about the mask thing... you couldn't put it on (even if you did get it). mira being of mandalorian descent...? i'll have to check back with you on that one... what you say about saul karath is true... but... why saul karath?? why not carth's child or bastilla and revan's love child? whatever... the whole star wars love story thing was never my favorite parts (although... it does play a huge part in the story). satisfied???? not in the least... jk. i acknowledge revan for what he truly was... a plain old jedi/sith. i admire him because he does what he thinks is best. he's whatever he needs to be to accomplish his ends. you must admit though... revan was truly a powerful jedi/sith. kreia said that when she looked at him she said it was like looking into the heart of the force. i do hate all those people (revan fanboys as you call them) who look at revan like he's some sort of god. i would like to learn about revan's and the exile's childhood. i wouldn't want an entire game about it though!!

Unlike Revan? Again, this is just as much an argument against Revan as against the exile. Did Revan's alignment from K1 matter to what role he/she played and had gone in TSL? No. The same will be true of Revan in K3 and is actually even more appropriate for the exile, given that there is very little difference in where the character ends up at the end of the game regardless of LS/DS choice. LS choice: Revan needs you, go and help him. DS choice: Revan needs help, you can go yourself now or you can stay on Malachor V showing others the way before you go yourself later. Plotwise not a lot of difference IMHO. K1 had far, far more different LS and DS endings for Revan. Exile kicked way more and had people taking numbers by the end of TSL. Revan's alleged abilities are mostly in the minds of fanboys. He was a powerful jedi, sure, and a excellent strategist, according the mandalorians, but there is nothing to confirm him as the ultimate force-god that some people seem to perceive him to be. Besides, if LA wanted it, Revan could be killed by a pack of gizka. Yes, but no more so than the exile. What, the exile cannot wear a mask? I certainly remember the exile getting a mask in TSL Yes... though only in theory The idea of a jedi of mandalorian origin is not new. Indeed, we already had one in TSL if you trained Mira. It's been speculated about before, but there should be a better plot reason for it than "OMG, Mandalorians kick ass, so a Mandalorian Jedi must ROXXR!!!" (sorry, not quite into all that jargon). If there is a plot reason, why not. I've yet to see one that looked compelling to me, though. Indeed, playing the son or daughter (gender choice) of Saul Karath or such would seem far more intereresting IMHO. revan wears the mask all the time. that eliminates gender and the LS/DS. i know that revans LS/DS stance means nothing! revan does whatever revan thinks is best. i would like to point out that in k2... the DS choice results in you staying (it doesn't say anything about you going later!). you either went or you didn't. i agree that revans fate rests with LA. don't get me wrong... i like the exile way more than revan. k2 kicked k1's ass. what mask?? i've never seen the exile with a mask (besides the ones I PUT ON HIS FACE!!). lol. i know the mandalorian jedi wasn't a new idea. mira wasn't even truly mandalorian. she was a slave to mandalorians (there's the difference). saul karath got his ass killed! as far as i know, i've never heard anything about him having children! i'm not a revan fanboy. i agree. revan was a powerful jedi/sith nothing more. it's the fact that he showed so much foresight in his conquest is the reason he appeals to me (also for his knowledge of the sith). you got anymore??? BRING IT ON!!!!! lol. jk.

Why don't you think they will include the Exile? I have a feeling that he might show up in the game but... not as a player (he will most likely show up by name). my reasons are main reason for saying so is the fact that everyone has a different view of the exile (man or woman... light or dark...). i know someone said that the people who make the game could make it work out by giving the player options relating to the sex of the exile and to the stance of the exile (light or dark). well... that means more work for the people who make the game and i honestly think it would be a pain in the ass at the beginning of the game to have to set every character to your liking (revan and the exile). i don't mind the idea of making your own character... in fact!!!!... that was one of the most fun things about the swkotor games. another reason the exile probably wouldn't work is because... without the exile's friends... wouldn't you be useless? i couldn't see the exile working out but... revan... yes! my reasons are: 1. revan is kick ass! 2. the makers of the game know that in k3 they have to bring revan back into the picture. 3. revan wears a mask all the time so... no having to make his character's face and everything (he/ she is just the character that does whatever the hell he/she wants). 4. revan kicks ass!!! here's an idea (i just like to throw ideas out there)... the story could be about revan's apprentice (maybe he'll take a new one on in sith space). likely or no... you choose... does anyone else have any cool ideas on what the k3 story line could be about? the revan apprentice thing would also kick the having to level revan up again thing out of the picture (since you're the one learning from him). in k3 i would love to be able to play with revan at one point in the game (even if it's two seconds). the revan intro things is very possible... i could see that happening. the mandalorian jedi thing... i don't mean canderous!!!! =|