Wrath of Dagon

Do unto others: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=368084 Edit: Looks like CalExit might be on 2018 referendum: http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/01/27/calexit-california-nation-may-begin-collecting-signatures-ballot/ That's a lot of signatures needed though. Hopefully Trump pisses them off enough by then that it will win. If it does succeed, I think it's only fair to have a nationwide referendum on it as well. Edit2: Funny, US is much greener than Europe: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/26/china-and-india-reach-a-pack-a-day-cigarette-equivalent-in-air-pollution/ If you look at monthly data, it's not that bad, it's just current conditions.

Is it though? Mexico is our 3rd biggest trading partner and they are in the hole of 60 billion towards us....by those numbers, it sounds like we are better to not trade towards them if we are in the hole and trying to get out. What's the point of trading if the other one is paying and instead putting it on a tab. I also realize the irony since we are trillions in the whole with china. Maybe it's best of China did the same towards us. Mexico pays what they owe and USA pays what we owe to china and we stop borrowing. If u ain't got the money then don't spend. That goes towards us as well. Im glad you asking these questions, there is a misunderstanding about this $ 60 billion apparent " debt " Its not debt, its the trade deficit. What this simply means is Mexico has sold the USA $ 60 Billion more goods than the USA has sold to Mexico This is very important and its fundamental to the argument., All countries export and import goods to each other but some countries are able to export goods globally cheaper than other countries, like China So this $60 billion trade deficit is not the fault of Mexico ....there are ways to increase the USA exports to Mexico but its unreasonable to expect Mexico to now be punished for simply tapping into the USA consumer market http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/jan/26/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-course-mexico-can-pay-wall-becau/ The misunderstanding is all on your part. The trade deficit means our economy is being drained of $60 billion every year. How do we make up the difference? We borrow the money from China. The longer this continues, the worse for us. Of course this is not Mexico's fault, but a lot of things are their fault. I do believe in trying to be good neighbors though.

OK, you're right.

We should get rid of all sources of pollution and go back to living in caves. Even better, let's commit suicide for Mother Gaia.

Also apparent inability to spell "foolproof" correctly, which doesn't make me think of the writer as an incredibly competent person I should be listening to. No, if he spelled it "foolproof", it would only be proofed from you.

Yeah, the last President couldn't run a McDonald's. https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-09-29/a-1980s-new-york-city-battle-explains-donald-trump-s-candidacy "Shuttered for repairs in 1980 by the Koch administration and set to be restored at the cost of $4.7 million, by 1985, the rink was $12 million over budget and still not ready."

More on why fences work, and cost: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/border-fences-work Subtitled: "How Trump beat Jebbito". I'm proud to say the person who lead the gutting of the 2006 law was our very own business lobby owned traitor, Kay Baley Hutchison.

Well, those failures by the billionaire may impact more people due to scope. And what's wrong with expecting more from your leaders? Oh, we got more, so much more : http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444273/trumps-immigration-executive-orders "a cutoff of visas for countries that refuse to take back their own citizens when we try to deport them." Sanity finally returns.

double post,sorry

Solid wall doesn't make much sense, it should be something like the San Diego or the Israeli fence with sensors I just linked to. It's known what works, in spite of what the naysayers always claim. Where the area is too remote or rugged to justify a fence, they can put stationary balloons that see 20 miles each way. Speaking of building: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/25/elon-musk-the-boring-company-tunnels/97030778/

$10 billion is what was left under White House seat cushions after Obama left. Anyway, whatever the cost (I estimate $4-10 billion) it will be over several years. Edit: Also having to patrol a wall instead of open space will greatly save on man power requirements, so it'll actually save a lot of money in the long term. We're not even talking about all the free medical care, education, etc illegal aliens get, or the tens of billions of dollars they send out of the country every year.

Good, then the labor can stay on the other side of the fence.

Some of his companies went bankrupt. He's now the most successful person in the world, both a billionaire and a president. If you're afraid to fail, you'll never succeed.

Yes, it's going to cost more than the entire highway budget. Trump always brings his projects in ahead of time and under budget.

Yes yes, your guy is the greatest, the other guy is the devil. Facts are unimportant. http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/ Snopes just tries to repeat the Obama lie, but they give themselves away by trying to use facts: "One distinct feature of the record number of deportations is the increasing share of deportations by U.S. Customs and Border Protection after border apprehension. In 2013, 25% of all deportations were carried out by the agency, up from 17% in 2012. Meanwhile, the number of deportations carried out by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which deports people caught both at the border and the interior of the country, fell in 2013 compared with 2012." The greater "deportations" were because they were counting people turned back by the border patrol, which weren't counted before, as I said.

Walls work great : https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/01/19/israel-upgrades-to-security-fence-along-egyptian-border-complete/ “significantly curbed the flow of illegal infiltration into Israel, with only 11 successful attempts to cross the fence throughout 2016.” Obama has already spent several billion taking care of illegal kids and families he refuses to send back, the money can be spent on the fence instead. I never heard him extending anything, I don't know where you get that, in any case the current fences are ineffective and have miles long gaps in between, which makes them virtually useless (Edit: except the 34 mile San Diego fence). As far as the record number of deportations, that was a lie because they started counting people turned back at the border, instead of just internal deportations like under Bush, and the last few years they haven't even been doing that much.

The problem with Schneiderman's reasoning is that cities are not acting legally when they shelter illegal alien criminals, they're breaking federal law. Are the scientists going to dress up like pussies too?

The President is in charge of securing the border. Congress authorized a secure fence back in 2006. Actually it required it, authorization isn't necessary as it's already illegal to cross the border without permission, and the President has the job of enforcing laws.

@Hurlshot: So politilie and Snopes? And you accuse Breitbart of bias. Politilie presents no facts to back up their claims, and Snopes has this: " Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?"

Obama administration did everything they could to make sure the citizenship status wouldn't be known when someone registers to vote. Edit: Speaking of hacked emails and non-citizens registering to vote: https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/10/19/podesta-wikileaks-horror-voter-id-doesnt-stop-alien-voting/

Except point 3 makes it clear that good Republican leadership is very capable of turning those immigrants into Republican votes. You missed the point of 3: "What happened? For one thing, the immigrants assimilated. “White ethnics” stopped identifying as immigrants, and started identifying as threatened natives." Trump already got more Hispanic votes than Romney, Hispanics aren't monolithic, the ones who primarily speak English are also more Republican.

Interesting analysis: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-24/the-democrats-rise-is-far-from-inevitable Point 4 shows why immigration control is vital to the survival of Republicans.

You've been wrong about where the Death Star trench was: http://io9.gizmodo.com/youve-been-wrong-about-where-the-death-star-trench-was-1791582520 Never paid much attention to that tbh.

Dastardly O'Keefe strikes again: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/meetings-of-activists-planning-to-disrupt-inauguration-were-infiltrated-by-conservative-media-group/2017/01/24/b22128fe-e19a-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_story.html?utm_term=.46ad35c9d4d3