Cycloneman

Weren't you just arguing that all communists are the same and equivalent to fascists? So isn't it actually a good thing from your perspective when communists get killed?

Well if I could have found a Haywood quote about serving in the Merchant Marines during WW2, I would have posted that.

It's probably all the Adderall.

AFAIK, the International Brigades were not involved in that kind of suppression.

And Jews were not the original inhabitants of Israel, either. That would be the Canaanites, or perhaps an even earlier group of tribal hunter-gatherers which has ultimately disappeared from the historical record.

So it would be okay for native Americans to drive whites out of the new world?

Oh, so you would like to go out and insult the communist veterans of the International Brigades for their political viewpoints? The communist veterans of the French Resistance? They worked far harder, and put themselves at far more risk, in defense of human rights than you ever will.

Fascism and communism are not the same, please don't conflate them. Fascism = communism is ridiculous and insulting to all the communists who have died helping to save the world from fascism. This sort of conflation results in some bizarro scenario where figures like Oliver Law and Harry Haywood are just as bad as Franco's bunch, where Red Army = White Army, where leftism = rightism. It's absurd, it's insulting, and it's far too simple an analysis.

You are either a moron or you live in an alternate dimension where black is white and white is black and things like "castle law" don't exist. The only ignorant person here is you. I already explained that you need to state what items are blockaded for a blockade to be legal. Israel does not do so, ergo their blockade is not legal. Can you please manage to actually address this point instead of flailing senselessly for unrelated news articles? Over here in the real world, the titles of YouTube videos are not considered evidence. Good day. lmao @ the idea that the Israeli government = Al-Jazeera. There was a video posted earlier in the thread where people who were there were interviewed and they specifically stated that the subdued Israeli's firearms were set aside. Try reading the thread before posting.

I thoroughly doubt that. Me of all people? What is that supposed to mean? No, I didn't "pretend it's not about legal matters," I made the point that you shouldn't conflate what the Israelis did with a legal action. Blah blah blah. If it's so easy to find, why don't you do so? Israel would only have the "right" to board ships trying to breach the blockade, if the blockade itself was legal. And even someone barely literate such as yourself could manage to figure this one out: it's not. While the other requirements are a bit subjective, the second is not so much: as Israel does not publicize the limits of its blockade, it cannot be legal. Haha, please, show me a video or photograph of an activist using a firearm or of an axe onboard the ship. Wait, you can't, lol!

Let me get this straight: I could burst into your house, a Kalashnikov at the ready, and you would be wrong to defend yourself with force? Don't try to conflate this with something legal. Why don't you just skip to the end, where you make up some bull**** about how they used lethal force? Wait, they didn't use lethal force, they subdued the commandos. What do you think they did? Stabbed them in the gut a couple times then stuck them in the brig? Please, offer some ****ing evidence besides blatantly biased reports of the Israeli government that there was lethal force applied by the activists. Let me remind you once more: multiple Israeli soldiers were subdued by the activists. None were killed. Compare to Israel's bodycount. Oh, I get it. You don't have any actual defense for your stupid viewpoint that it's A-OK to blow the **** out of anybody who stops you from committing a crime, so you're going to pretend like everybody else is just spouting bull**** while ONLY YOU can see the truth: killing people who try to stop you from robbing a bank is morally acceptable. Yeah, no. Sources who were there say the Israeli commandos were disarmed and their guns were placed aside. I have seen video of the "weapons" on the ship which included some bars, slingshots, and a few knives. Never seen an axe anywhere. Here, why don't you watch and show me where the axes are.

So you admit you are an antisemite then. Uh... are you seriously accusing me of being an antisemite? Quote GreasyDogMeat:"Stop with antisemitism...? Yeah... sure.. if you stop with the Hamas BS." You are saying that you would stop with the antisemitism, ergo you have engaged, and continue to engage, in antisemitism. Israel is not a semite, it is a state (an apartheid state, by the way). Palestinian arabs, however, are a semitic people, ergo antisemitism can extend to discriminating against them (i.e. your behavior). Deal With It.

And that's Wrath of Dagon, folks! *circus music plays*

Let me give you a hypothetical situation: someone breaks into your house in full combat gear equipped with high-end military grade firearms, night vision goggles, etc. Are you "free to use deadly force in response"? Yes, because as we all know, the Germans did not kill any Soviets. Wait, that's not true, you're a **** arguer and you just tried to pull the old equivocation fallacy on me. If, as available evidence suggests, the putschists were attacked as they entered the capitol building, they had the right and duty to use their weapons. P.S. They did not use axes.

International waters equals justified self-defense. The activists captured two Israeli commandos without killing them, which clearly means they were using sublethal force, unlike the Israelis who opened fire on activists in ~international waters~. So you admit you are an antisemite then. Only if you define "violent Jihadis" as "people who got shot."

Zionists bull****ting that these people "deserved it" because they knowingly prepared to (but did not actually get the opportunity to) engage in an act of civil disobedience isn't really "new information."

"B... but you weren't *there*. It's very easy to sit there and condemn the massacre of activists carrying humanitarian aid in international waters, but you weren't *there*." Facts aren't based on where my ass is placed. I can condemn the massacre of these civilians just as easily as I can condemn any other, I don't need to personally have been shot to do so. Stop with the antisemitism, please. Do you know what the difference between the Somali pirates and these Israeli commandos is? The Somali pirates have never killed anyone!

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Hmm, who am I going to trust about the differences between the Soviet Union and North Korea: a man with a degree in Soviet studies who also has a PhD in North Korean Literature, speaks Korean and has visited North Korea multiple times, or Wrath of Dagon?

Try watching the video LoF posted here before you say that North Korea is "all about communism."

Okay, other than the government of Palestine, who would you trust to explain that yes, Virginia, malnutrition does exist at greater-than-normal levels in a country suffering under the Israeli blockade? Oh, I don't know, an objective and independent source instead of the Palestinian propaganda machine? How about the Red Cross? On they other hand, they're a humanitarian organization, so they're naturally going to be biased against Israel.

Well, considering they kept voting for them... For example, US President Dwight Eisenhower overthrew the government of both Iran in 1954 (and it was well known that Operation Ajax was US-backed), yet was reelected in 1956. Okay, other than the government of Palestine, who would you trust to explain that yes, Virginia, malnutrition does exist at greater-than-normal levels in a country suffering under the Israeli blockade? No, those are really awful statistics, even for poor countries.