The Illuminator

the reflecting god from marylin manson

Blank typed Truthfully, I don't know much about Turkish politics. My point was that your reaction to the people in the analogy should've simulated your reaction to governmental bodies. I think governments or countries shouldn't be considered according to the behaviours of one of their citizens and the main reason why western countries behaving to Muslims as if all of them are terrorists on airports is such generalizations low IQed politicians of those countries make. USA citizens don't feel forced. We have less than 50% of the population voting. That is the pityness: our country's opinion as a people is not being counted, only half of it. So the person we might actually want isn't being chosen. And in my experience and knowledge of history, there will never be a "good" choice. One choice will be a better choice, but a president always has his/her drawbacks, something that makes him/her "not good" in the sight of someone. I hope that 50% manages to produce a 'good' president one day instead of 'evil' ones, otherwise I don't think usa shall last long as Allah does not love evil countries electing always 'evil' presidents. CCCP was a good example. Destroyed in one night. You are focusing on others' actions as a response to the question that was directed at you. I am asking you what you are doing that is so much more righteous than everyone else, who are being manipulated by mind control. If we are in bondage over here, how are you helping me? I have already tried to illuminate you via posting a link and further explanations how mind control scientifically occurs and how to fight against mind control. I think this is a 'huge' help. How do you know people aren't mind controlling you, persuading you not to vote, so that only a few people vote for the bad guy, and the bad guy wins? I think I have already answered this question in my former post. To add some more statements I can say that I don't think the options in my country are 'evil' when compared with political actions of presidents like bush or blair. If I compare the politicians in my country with bush or blair, then they are by far 'good'. However they are not 'good' according to my personal criters and that's why I'm not voting them. I see some of them as neutral and some of them as worse according to 'my' criters and I won't vote for them as long as they don't pass my criters. I am not annoyed by anything you've posted. I am saddened that you believe things that cannot be verified. How can I, let alone you, verify the truth that your websites offer? I think the links I've made about mind control are by far well verified and explained scientifically perfectly. I have already made it simpler myself with a few explanations added to them. That's why I take those articles seriously. If you think it is scientifically impossible, why don't you explain us why it is not possible scientifically. I think I have the medical background to consider your possible medical explanations trying to disprove those realities.

lunchbox from marylin manson

agreed

Blank typed One friend of mine works with mentally handicapped people. My friend is a really smart person, and her IQ has not dropped because of her interaction with people who have a low IQ. Your theory is faulty. I ususally don't insult someone via calling him 'mentally handicapped' if he chooses not to communicate with some people for some reason. This is not my style. Would be if I was 10 years younger. You are focusing on the analogy too much. That's the bad thing about analogies. Do you think only 'my' analogies are bad? This is unfair. My point is, if your solution in dealing with these types of people is leaving, look at your own country. Your government hasn't always made the best decisions. And if I am not mistaken, they supported the "war on terror". Why aren't you leaving the likes of them? Do you know 'anything' about turkish politics? Can you tell me how many turkish citizens have been killed by the terrorist organisation turkey deals with and how many american citizens were killed by the terrorist organisation usa deals with? Can you tell me what is turkey doing against the terrorist organisation he deals with and what does usa do against the terrorist organisation he is manipulating? If turkey is to idolize usa for some reason, then he must sent atomic bombs not only to the country feeding the terrorist organisation he deals with but also to the countries who are manipulating and feeding that organization. Somebody evil will get elected. If you vote, that won't change, if you don't vote, that won't change. You choose the less evil option, because an evil option is getting chosen no matter what. Do the usa citizens 'forced' to vote if all options are evil? That's a big ptyness. In my country I don't vote if all options are evil not to feel responsible from their actions. I wait until a 'good' choice appears. So are you just sitting around, not voting, gaining courage in reality, or are you just hypothetically dealing with these matters online? If you are not getting courage to start a revolution by not voting, what are you doing to help your nation by not voting? At least I'm not voting to evil presidents and mentally fighting against all evilness. That's much more better than helping an evil president like bush or blair. How do you know you are not the mind controlled one? How do you know that your government has not planted the thoughts in my mind? Because I'm not voting to any 'evil' one or making people advices like voting for an 'evil' choice. I'm surely out of any kinds of control. And don't link me to more websites. They hold no empirical truths, they don't even describe their tests so that I can recreate them. If it can't be recreated, it ain't the scientific method. If you don't want to believe some realities that make you feel annoyed, then you may ignore them instead of critisizing or attacking the mirror of those realities. Good point, but I don't nod it, and you don't nod it, so what are you getting at? I'm making a mental war against evil.

sweat dreams from marylin manson

Is this scientifically documented? Cuz I know that obesity causes heart to be hypertrophied and in this condition the number of contractile heart cells increases, but as the coronary arteries are unable to enlerge to face the myocardial demand of blood effectively with the cells increased in number, ischemia occurs in time with the celss not fed and myocardial infarction occurs in time. Increase in the amount of cells may not be always useful.

Blank typed Maybe this would be explained easier with an analogy. It won't be perfect, but analogies aren't. Pretend that you were amongst a group of people, say 20, and they walk around and do things that they collectively decide to do. Then pretend that some of them decide they want to kill an innocent person. Will turning away and not giving your opinion help the innocent person? Personally I have to say that I willingly avoid any kinds of communication with low IQed people in my life. Becasue this communication may cause my IQ level to get lover too and this makes me one of them. A person desiring to kill an innocent person for any reason is certainly low IQed. Even if it is for revenge, however if the friends of this innocent person continuously kill this group's innocent friends, and those friends have no power to get revenge like an ey for an eye, this situation is very different. Killing a person only for fun is different and I'd certainl not be included in such a group. If by mistake, I was with them, I'd oppose that decision and if it is via not voting, I'd not vote or vote against. If those people threatens me with death if I don't vote for them, the situation changes again and different but if they won't harm me for my being against or not voting or leaving them, I'd certainly leave. There are many other factors in elections of course, they are more complex. But you should choose the least evil of the options, not because you want that person to be in office, but because you prefer them over the others. I never choose an 'evil' option, cuz in turkey we have the right of 'not to vote' but I don't know usa and I suspect its fascism degree is much than turkey after reading the quote above. Innocent babies are gonna die no matter what, so you vote for fewer babies to die, see? I don't believe this statement except for natural medical conditions like a congenitally diseased baby, however nuclear weapons causes congenital defects causing babies to die and I saw that on this site 4 months ago that everybody here nods nuclear weapons and call them nukes. Now as for your revolution thing, they don't occur simply because people don't vote. You have to start them somehow, and the not-voting part is one of the effects of the revolution, not the cause. Revolution needs courage and not voting may be the first step on having a little courage against an ideology. If the average US citizen felt oppressed, I have no doubt that there would be a revolution. We aren't all fools ya know. I know many beautiful minds that would stand up in the face of egregious oppression and create their own government if necessary. It hasn't even come to that though, so nobody cares much right now. It might be gradually slipping, but the government won't have too much power before the citizens can do something about it (at this point in time). I believe usa government reads the minds of its voters regularly as this is very easy, however the minds of usa citizens is being prevented to be worked efficiently via nerve blockers like alcohol or drugs like marijuhana. As this decreases the brain frequency of usa citizens they are more easily mind controlled and herd with rage with the help of organized events like 9/11. Same method is being tried on the eastern population again with the help of puppets of usa government and rage source is the actions of armies like coalition army in iraq or israelian army in palestine or lebanon. This theatre works effectively and if you desire a revolution you must start declaring it to your government in your minds, via thinking it. Be sure that bush shall be aware of it. There's always the danger of a dystopia though, so we keep mindful of that and continue on for now with our easy lives where the most oppressing thing is rising gas prices. As long as someone nods killing of a baby for 'any' purpose with any method, then s/he is hopeless for anything.

NASA reference aside, this reminds me how about how the US is handling Iran's nuke case. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you believe every word nasa says? Why do you think they reject to give the records? Do you believe NASA is really such a low IQed governmental organisation that lacks the ability to protect or save the most important records of its history? If you say yes to 1st and 3rd questions and say NASA really has lost the records, then I see no necessarity to make further dialogues with you. Atreides typed NASA reference aside, this reminds me how about how the US is handling Iran's nuke case. I think if usa, israel or other non-Muslim countries have the right to have nuclear weapons, then iran must have too. Moreover I wish turkey uses his large uranium resources one day like israel does. However this discussion is off topic and needs another thread. Xard typed ...I can try finding a link, though I suspect that then you say (IF I find something) it is not reliable because it is from internet... Then I'm free not to believe 9/11 was without control of usa government as similar sites claim those in other threads in this section. Using the net only to prove 'your' ideology is hypocrism and bigotness and I think I'm mature enough to step back in my argument when I'm convinced that it is illogical. quick googling gave me this: http://www.gatago.com/sci/physics/relativity/16851657.html Simply the enlightment of the astronaut in the shadow of apollo spaceship needs spot lights and is against the logic and that's obviously why NASA hides the records.Their prestige is at zero level and noone aware of moon tragedy believes that they really have made it through mars. I think every non-human including spaceship is being destroyed by head sized meteors when they go to space. I believe 'no' internet article is out of cia's awareness and I believe that they allow articles like mind control articles to be left open to scare the ones who read them, so when they think an article is really dangerous for them, they force the site broadcasting it to delete it. Wikipedia I think is under heavy effect of american imperialism like almost 'all' of the sites of the net. That's my opinion though and I'm not a fascist to make all believe my opinions by any kinds of force.

What would make you believe that? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You don't believe that?

sweat dreams from marylin manson

You would need to drill the ancient ice stores from centuries ago: the perma-ice of the poles or mountains (above the snow line), e.g. the Rockies, the Alps and the Andes ... though who knows if the chemtrails have seeped and leached into the Rockies, so it's probably safer to use geographically distant stores ... though the convection forces of the atmosphere are concentrating all the CFCs in the cold polar regions ... I agree that there are countless of natural magnetic resources on earth. At least the earth itself is a magnetic mass. However those are not producing electromagnetic waves which perfectly immitates neuron action potentials and cause thoughts or voices in our head that do not belong to us. To produce such a signal there are 1 scientific 3 religious 1 forbidden method. scientifically, you must have the high tech tools to produce those organized waves religiously, you must be a jynn, satan or angel forbiddenly, you must apply mind manipulating magic All options are very effective in my opinion and produces very similar or even same kind of voices in your head. As for orgone energy or claimed tools preventing those waves I can say that I've not read an article yet explaining the pathophysiology and mechanism of how those waves are prevented to be formed by methods like orgone gas or other things. There are claims that those are useful, but I don't believe as long as I'm convinced via a logical scientific explanation. I shall believe that some of the people are abusing those who 'know' they are under mind control via claiming that some tools like amulets containing orgone or other materials can prevent those voices appearing in your mind, are just fairy tales as long as I don't see a medical explanation how this occurs. I think they are abusing those people and selling their tools for financial satisfaction and I doubt they know the mechanism how mind control occurs. I have seen one article on shery shrine site claiming that those orgone feeded tools really prevent those voices and she were selling them. However she was blaiming bush to be mad or deceived for his claim of talking with God's voice in his head but she, herself claims that she talks with God. I certainly believe she is deceived too as God does not talk with ordinary people but only with His Prophets. As she continues to hear the voice in her head which claims he is God even if she uss those orgone fed tools, then they are simply useless and that is funny that she thinks she is different than bush and God talks with her but not with bush. Her pride is being abused and she is too mind controlled to herd the people who believes every word she says. So, I think those tools are useles. If you can find me a site logically explaining how orgone affects ELF waves, I may reconsider my thought but shery shriner I think proves that orgone tools are useless. I think the way to deal with those thoughts not belonging us is to check their logicality and aim every time they pop up in our minds as it is impossible to stop them. They are options offered to us and we must choose the mature, objective, logical and civil thoughts to apply in our lives. When a thought pops up in my mind telling that ''All Chrsists support american army killing babies'', I say it is not logica inmy mind, but not everyone I think does the same here. So, your job is not so easy and orgone gas tales are just direct hypnosis trying to steal money in your pocket.

And you are giving conspiracy theorists everywhere a bad name. They know who you are. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Seriously dude, arguments like "moonwalk was hoax!!!" have been proven wrong many times. I've seen at least two different documents about this <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How were they proven to be wrong? Is rejecting to give the records a way of proof? It is obviously a proof for the opposite. You cannot persuade me via telling that 'they were proven to be wrong'. You must give solid proofs like a link declaring that nasa has given those records for further examination to detect if they are fake or real. I made a link to prove my theory but you are just telling a personal statement making no proof or sense. And you are giving conspiracy theorists everywhere a bad name. They know who you are. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have no fear from anyone as I've previously indicated. If you shall not make a serious contribution to my thread, ignore it and post your comments on other threads.

night&the silet water from opeth

noone may make me vote if it shall cause the death of an innocent baby. if noone votes, revolutions occur and even a revolution is better if it shall not cause the death of innocent babies.

your post is yellow and my reply is white.that is more practical than struggling with quotes I was more making the point (which you conveniently avoided) that IF it were possible to change people's minds, why would the "controllers" stop at just the population of the US? After all, they need only get the six permanent members of the UN Security Council and they can rubber stamp ANYTHING. Let alone if they decide to target EVERYONE. Sometimes I think bush is mind controlled too as he claims God is talking to him, however my real opinion about bush is that he is using this tale to get the support of christ countries to collect human shields(=soldiers to die) via abusing their religious sensitivities(this is a common american governmental habbit.indians would not fight at night as they believed their religion prevents it, however their belief was abused by politicians and they were slain at night ususally.this is a similar method) The voice in head appears same as a thought and it is almost indistinguishable from an ordinary thought. It is that confusing you. You take it as an external voice reaching your hearing cortex via passing ear drum, incus, malleus and stapedius bones, corti organ, liquids causing microwaves which produces action potentals to be transferred from ear to hearing cortex via nervous system. However this voice occurs without using corti organ via immitating(in fact producing the same action potential) the action potential corti organ produces. And why use radio waves, anyway? Put it in the drinking water ... all that fluoridification ... they are really after our precious bodily fluids, Cuz waves like Extremely Low Frequency radiowaves are able to produce the same action potential corti organ produces via liquids in it. Moreover those waves do not need to use corti organ to produce those neuron signals they are directly causing those action potential and that's why they are so effective and indistinguishable than ordinary thoughts. Mind reading works with the same mechanism from reverse as there are sources solving one's thoughts according to the action potential those thoughts produce. Election of bush second time I think is directly linked with mind control as this method is used everywhere from politics to advertisement. US population is under a heavy mind control effect like the rest of the world. Humankind is deceived via those tools for political desires. Some people think they talk with God and some declare themselves as Prophets, but the mechanism is simple and easy to apply. It is the same method satan talks with humans to order bad things and again the same is mind manipulating magic. Someone being abused with this having a big authority on people may be used for political desires with this method. Can you imagine bin ladin claiming that he is talking with Allah or prophet Muhammed S.A.V. cuz of the voice he hears in his mind and in fact that voice belongs to a local guy who is a CIA agent using mind control tools to herd militans over innocent people to increase the rage against Muslims and collect more soldiers to increase his political popularity in a more easy way. That's why I'm classifying el kaide militans as illiterate Muslims unaware of Islam's basic orders which includes not killing the innocent, however the opposite site kills the innocent too and those illiterate people think that they have the revenge right and rage at one side causes the birth of rage on the other side. The more guilty ones I think are those who have the mind reading tools easily defining the terrorists but not using those tools to help terrorists kill innocent to increase rage over the christian based world for some political desires. Same link of mine also gives detailed information how mind reading occurs. At least reading a terrorist's mind gives you the places they hide or actions they plan, but those monsters hide those realities for their political aims and so I think it was usa's secret intelligence herding those militans to cause 9/11. There are lots of people sharing the same opinion with me a a lot of them are on the net discussing this on different sites.

I feel this discovery point out something often forgotten, that 70% of the Earth is covered by water. Considering that simple fact it seems extremely unlikely that oil will "run out" anytime soon. After all, we still havent discovered all the oil fields on land much less what lies underwater and with so much of the Earth under water, well, just do the math. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I know that in the north, east, south and southeast parts of turkey is full of oil but british-american companies are not allowing turks to use it maybe cuz of racist governments of that countries not wanting turkish economy to develop for their dirty political aims. they are provoking especially south-eastern citizens of turkey. maybe they want another puppet country which may use that oil located on that part of turkey, however I think it is not an easy job to bite that region of turkey as turks don't watch like iraqean or lebanonian army when someone attacks to their lands. I'm sure there are other parts of the earth full of oil which has not been officially announced like turkey's oil resources cuz of dirty political games.

And so you would contribute nothing to the democratic process of electing a government, thus being at the whim of others. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At least I'd feel very relaxed in my subconscious for that my vote did not cause an aid to death of anyone. I'd say that ''it is not me who is responsible for the existence of that government. it is the ones voted for them. certainly 'not' me'' comfortably.

wreath from opeth

Maybe because there are some people on earth 'really' sensitive about human rights. Sometimes I feel like Galileo who was forward than the people sharing the same age with him. His agers killed him buth his worth was understood after a few ages when it was scientifically proven that the earth was not flat. And I'm sure that after ages there shall be rules to prevent usage of some kind of tools causing ELF waves, and I think at that age the ones today using this technology shall loose their frightening effects over humanity. Today it seems I am the only one not fearing from anything except Allah.

I wish it was illogical for CIA to mind control everyone, but I have basic medical education about how brain is worked and effected and unfortunately easily figure out that it is not a hard job to make mind manipulating via using tools producing ELF waves which causes you to hear telepathical voices in your head 18 yeras ago. Can you imagine how this technology developed after 18 years, today. usa is not innocent for anything. If you don't have such an ducation, it is not easy for you to understand the patophysiology of how this technology practically applied. Simply I can say that via simplifying it for RPG players, its effect is same with mind manipulating magic. I remember a goblin marshal in Icewind Dale located on Kuldahar Pass and he was experiencing those effects of manipulation via having pain in his head besides voices. Todays technology gives voices without pain, but it is possible to make those voices with pain accompanied with those tools. here is the patophysiology of how waves like ELF works again

I'd not call it as paranoia. Anyone with basic knowledges on psychology can easily figure out that they really are fake. If they aren't why the hell nasa claims that they have lost those landing records? Is it logical? How the bloody hell can such important records be lost in archieves which is claimed to have best protection on earth? No, it is apparent and they are rejecting to give it for detailed examination about their reality as they know all illogicalities shall be announced and their prestige shall reach zero level. Earth's IQ was not so high in 1970s and that's why they have slept for about half a century.

Have you read that NASA rejects to give the video records of the landing to the moon? Their IQ is so low that there are illogical scenes on that records proving that it is a fake and that's why they reject to give it. You can search those illogicalities on the net easily. Learning this reality made me a real sceptic about the things usa government or usa organisations claim to be true. And more importantly I have scientific proofs for that like the link I made.

They can shoot the people who get through, anywho the USSR seemed to block outside contact quite well. Thank you for giving us you're great insight on Usian & world politics. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's a really big pity if you've not heard that as it becomes in your 'own' country. I'm thousands of miles away of usa and have much knowledge than you. That's sure that if I was living in such a country, I'd not vote for anyone.