Calax

I think that's the whole Libya exchange.

The question on Libya was effectively "Who was responsible for the decrease in security before the attacks on the [consulate]?" and Obama fielded it first, saying something more to the effect that he's sorry it happened and he's gonna shoot the guys who did it, and finished by saying he'd never throw out a press release within the hours after the attack to score political points. Romney got up and declared that Obama had failed and was slacking off during the attack (similar to how Bush was accused of the same thing on 9/11). He also stated that it took 6 days for Obama to declare it a terror attack (got fact checked on the TV about it). And that Obama was soft on all the leaders in the region and that He (Romney) would be more hard line and intervene in Libya and Syria on a much rougher basis. Ultimately nobody said who's exact responsibility it was, but Obama did say he's taking responsibility, then got genuinely angry at Romney's comment that he didn't care about those he selected as Ambassadors.

He did... it was pretty impressive. That's the first time I think I've ever seen Obama get REALLY pissed off (about Libya and the assertion that he was not taking responsibility)

at least they noticed you and said hi. Also, they're drunk as DUUUUCKS on there.

If they want me to I will, but for the most part I being ignored. And Alvin gets beat by MCA at a thumb war.

Watching the Obs stream. They need to get a moderator or something.

Just looked at my math grades. I managed to pull off a complete 100% on my first math exam. Now to run with that and ensure I get in all my homework.

Are you that gullible? On the one hand you've got clear evidence to go by that the Republican party really does cause your country immense damage - take a look at how the Bush administration raped your country and caused the GFC, and then take a look at how all the recent Democratic administrations have NOT done that. Seems pretty obvious that one of the parties is telling the truth and the other is lying. And the liars are the Republicans. You think bat**** crazy tea baggers are going to be any GOOD for your country?! There is no denying that a Republican administration would do serious damage to the public image of America, and could lead to bad things. But they'd have to be mystically bad to take things from just economic and diplomatic issues being bad to "The Mississippi dried up, Kansas is Barren, and tall vegetation is gone for most of the country" as if they're Scar from the Lion King.

If Obama Wins, This shall be america! (Sayeth Republicans) If Romney wins, this shall be America! (Sayeth Democrats)

I'm a wee bit of an addict still. Although there is rarely anyone you meet from Iowa. And my roommate is doing her whole "being loud with boyfriend" routine... probably while her pie is burning *sigh*

Hey Calax how's life treating you? Ups and downs... mainly downs the past few months but I think I'm getting into manic ups with spending habits *frustration with self*.

So, Ryan and Romney are the smarmy jerks? Did we watch the same debate? Not to mention Biden outright LIED about his votes on Afghanistan and Iraq. Not to mention that he outright lied about the Libya situation. Not to mention that he failed to say that his wife was the one responsible for her car crash but that the Bidens and their lawyers ruined a man's life by claiming he was drunk and he had to take them to court over it. But yeah, Ryan and Romney are the smarmy arrogant ones. Neither Biden or Obama had that CONSTANT smug smile plastered on their faces. Right now, one of the points against the Ryan Romney ticket is that they haven't managed to show that they can do what they're claiming they can. They won't tell us the "Math" they're swearing by, but just want us to know its there (even though the four biggest "loopholes" that are in use have been kicked out of being closed), and that they can cut spending, raise the Defense budget, and lower taxes without increasing the debt.

GD! MY CONSERVATIVE SPARRING PARTNER! <3

I don't think it matters that much.The only way it'd really matter would be if the stuff he was training on was made out of homeless people or some other over the top "villain" fact. Right now the biggest thing that's hurting Romney/Ryan is that they're smarmy arrogant jerks. Who, when fact check, it turns out that they've been lying through their teeth about much of what they said. Thursdays debate between the VP's was probably a better indicator of things, Biden was doing his best to run over Ryan with his facts and questioning half the stuff Ryan said. It worked most of the time, with Biden managing to catch a couple of lies, lay out facts, and point out that, at least in military issues, you'll always be able to find a member of the armed forced who would say that things should have gone differently, and he and Obama are operating on the suggestions of the Joint Chiefs. I still don't think that Romney/Ryan are going to win, Barack is a VERY good Orator, and will probably come out in the second presidential debate swinging like a crazy man.

Beware! MORMONS! *latin chanting*

Don't try to out stupidcrossbow Van Hellsing! SUCK IT TREBEK! In other news, nobody knows are cares about Che anymore than to be a cultural icon that "rebel" students can post on their walls.

How does this magically loose him the election then? There is more at stake than just national/international security. Our economy, foreign policy in general, social issues, social security, tax reform, election reform, health care... All impact us far more than 4 guys dying across the seas. I mean how many Muslims do you think have died in America, via organized (like the KKK and splinter crews) or disorganized groups? During the whole Neighborhood Watch BS, which has been totally forgotten, murders that were racially/ethnically/religiously motivated were basically ignored or used to give more coverage to a teen who got shot due to unfortunate circumstances. I understand that it's a tragic loss and is a blow to the US's international prestige (which is pretty low anyway) but realistically how does it effect the voter other than the fact that it's thrown in their face every 20 seconds because of the 24 hour news cycle?

How? His predecessor had significantly more insane security lapses (you know, the original 9/11 where his director of national security said that she had recieved a brief on plots by al queda to attack the USA, and there were serious breeches conserning how they got pilot training etc. And he's running against somebody for whom wood looks softer, and is known to consider most of the citizenry to be slackers who mooch off the system.

I do want to say, after having seen it tonight, I think that the Jon Stewart and O'Reilly "Rumble" is very indicitive of the conversation we're having within our political process. Where both sides see the same facts through SUCH different lenses, that they cannot accept that they might mean one thing that's averse to their position.

Do you even understand basic economics? In order for the economy to grow, money has to be spent. The private sector is obviously reluctant to do so, so we have to at least do some with the governments. It's hilarious that you call the Clintons "Warmongering" given that during the Clinton administration there was only an armed intervention within the former Yugoslav Republics that led to the first war crimes trial of a had of state, and a 4 day airstrike campaign against Iraq for it's failure to follow the UN procedures that it agreed to. Iraq was a dog and pony show completely by the executive branch, with disregard to the War Powers Act. Understand, the Republicans blocked efforts to fix the economy, and instead spent a day "Reaffirming that "In God We Trust" is the official motto of the United States" because they think Obama will turn us godless. Money doesn't have to be spent, it has to be invested.. You don't grow an economy by blindly throwing money into systems and hoping for the best. Hillary is certainly a warmongerer. What do you think she's been doing this whole time in the middle east? She's really no different than a right winger, but go ahead and pretend she is just because she plays ball on your team.. Even if you take the idea that you need to INVEST your money... that still requires the money to be within the American system, and not tucked away in the Caymans, Monte Carlo, or some other tax haven.... or even just another nation because your company is multinational, so you just put most of the money in wherever has the lowest taxes. As to Clinton, She's the Sec State... her entire job is to go somewhere that we have issues and sort them out with the government there, which means that usually wherever she goes either calms down, or gets amped up in response to her being there because the locals either like or don't like US intervention. I think one of the things a lot of people understand about the nations that are run by "strongmen" is that those nations are only held together by their hatred of their leader, and his oppression. Once that is lifted, the various groups will remember that they hate each other too and start fighting (for example the Muslim factions and Kurds in Iraq).

Fix? No, but they can stimulate. Otherwise why would people be offering negative interest loans to the government so it could spend like crazy to avoid a full on depression instead of a recession? I mean, people like Romney and larger corps are just pulling money out of the US economy and letting it sit in their accounts, without doing anything within the economy to provide stimulation.

Do you even understand basic economics? In order for the economy to grow, money has to be spent. The private sector is obviously reluctant to do so, so we have to at least do some with the governments. It's hilarious that you call the Clintons "Warmongering" given that during the Clinton administration there was only an armed intervention within the former Yugoslav Republics that led to the first war crimes trial of a had of state, and a 4 day airstrike campaign against Iraq for it's failure to follow the UN procedures that it agreed to. Iraq was a dog and pony show completely by the executive branch, with disregard to the War Powers Act. Understand, the Republicans blocked efforts to fix the economy, and instead spent a day "Reaffirming that "In God We Trust" is the official motto of the United States" because they think Obama will turn us godless.

Well other than the fact that you Have one news item that's "Oh hey! We found a journal". Another that just says that the Consulate made bad security choices. And the third says... that the place was entirely unprotected(?) So... you've got an article that says there was security, but an inside job and an organized military strike won out. A second article that says that the strike won out because of the fact that the embassy made bad security decisions, but still had a capable core of security individuals who managed to get most out alive. And the last one has a member of the Administration saying there was security... and NBC saying that there wasn't in spite of the other two articles? Are you trying to say that the Consulate had security and Obama lied about it being stronger than it was, or that it didn't have security and Obama lied that it did? Because the three articles you linked are arguing about that. By the way, nice job on getting the NBC thing from a republican spin blog. Really a good way to prove your point. Also None of those quote have anything said about Al Queda, only that it was Islamic militants. So if you would like to point out where somebody said "Al Queda" that's not a fox news member, please, be my guest. I get the feeling even Ye Olde Guard Dog (please let him return soon) would laugh at your rhetoric.

The more I see you post, the more I think you're taking Glenn Beck as holy writ. Or Faux News. Also, on Foreign Policy, If Obama says he's gonna kill a dude, he kills that guy. No "Oh well we got his second in command four times!" just "He's dead biatch!"

If nothing else, it's acting as a wake up call to Obamas campaign. He was obviously under prepared for what he's doing and was to technically minded. Instead of saying "no, that's not what my plan says!" he would just go into the details that often would jump over peoples heads. Basically instead of preparing for a debate with a person, he prepared a power point presentation with a sniper.