True Communism

[exodiark]

I dunno, communism sounds too weird to even work.

I mean classless, stateless? Nature is about the strong dominating the weak. In modern world there's no murder involved of course, but you might find the strong as somebody who employs you and lead you under his company, working to a common goal.

 

I can't really imagine a world without bosses or subordinates, that's just so surreal. Also, you can make everybody dress the same, eat the same food, etc. But in the end, there will always be physical difference, even in communist world, where men is physically stronger than women, how do you make this equal?

 

They kinda tried this before in China, and it didn't work well leads to Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution disaster.

[Rosbjerg]

 

 

Nature is about the strong dominating the weak

Only when there's a competition over resources, nature is adaptation more than anything else.. and we've come to a point where we can effectively cancel the need for competition out if we truly wanted. Now whether or not we should, is another matter of course.

[obyknven]

Nature is about the strong dominating the weak.

Try to find analog of slavery and exploitation in Nature. Wild animals being captured often choice death instead of life in in captivity. Meanwhile for humanity such perverted existence considered as "normal" and "natural". This is obvious lie.

I can't really imagine a world without bosses or subordinates, that's just so surreal.

Imagine society of "gods". Examples you can find in sci-fi literature:

Elder Things by Lovecraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_Thing

Mankind from Prisoners of Power by s Arkady and Boris Strugatsky.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_Power

 

They kinda tried this before in China, and it didn't work well leads to Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution disaster.

Maoism is petit bourgeois movement. Actually they play positive role in China, converting retarded feudal society into industrial, but they are not communists.

[babaganoosh13]

Hulk Hogan would headbutt this thread too; if it was in a wrestling ring; and it was the 80s because he's a real American. Fighting for the rights of every man.

[Zoraptor]

Macho Man >>> Hulk Hogan

 

They're both inferior to great communist hero Nikolai Volkov though

[exodiark]

"Try to find analog of slavery and exploitation in Nature. Wild animals being captured often choice death instead of life in in captivity. Meanwhile for humanity such perverted existence considered as "normal" and "natural". This is obvious lie."

 

That's why I use the term "dominating", the weak will be largely affected by the strong. The weak can be killed / enslaved / assimilated to join their packs / whatever.

 

"Slavery" does exist in nature, take a look at dolphin sex slaves.

Wolf travel in packs, which have alpha male to dominate them. It literally decides who goes in and out. Im pretty sure male lion does this too, with their personal harem.

 

If true communism is about killing youself the second somebody overpowers you, well, I'm not sure what to think of that :I

[exodiark]

"Maoism is petit burgeois movement. Actually they play positive role in China, converting retarded feudal society into industrial, but they are not communists."

 

Now now, that's not a nice thing to say. China was doing fine by trading alone, for thousands of years, until western powers came and f*ck everything up.

 

Oh and WW2, thanks Japan.

 

And look at their industrial revolution today, Beijing is practically a holy altar for Blade Runner fans, complete with smog and asian lady billboard. Not sure if it's a good thing.

[HoonDing]

Japan already messed with China well before WW2.

[exodiark]

"Japan already messed with China well before WW2."

 

Well, it's true that they joined western forces in dividing China before WW2. But their government suddenly had enough taking orders from the westerners and start "liberating" Asia. That is by slaughtering civilians, of course =)). Their government set the standard of new low.

 

To be fair, it was the Chinese's fault for being too trusting in the first place. Yet another merit of xenoohobia

[obyknven]

"Try to find analog of slavery and exploitation in Nature. Wild animals being captured often choice death instead of life in in captivity. Meanwhile for humanity such perverted existence considered as "normal" and "natural". This is obvious lie."

 

That's why I use the term "dominating", the weak will be largely affected by the strong. The weak can be killed / enslaved / assimilated to join their packs / whatever.

 

"Slavery" does exist in nature, take a look at dolphin sex slaves.

Wolf travel in packs, which have alpha male to dominate them. It literally decides who goes in and out. Im pretty sure male lion does this too, with their personal harem.

 

If true communism is about killing youself the second somebody overpowers you, well, I'm not sure what to think of that :I

Just wrong. You need studying zoology harder. Wolf packs have temporary character, wolfs anytime can leave pack, it's freewill unite. And they avoid kill each other in Wild Nature. About Alpha males Pic related.

 

About dolphin sex slaves it's just projection of human behavior  to animal, this is not so different with Fables about animals. In other words its nothing more than fantasy of journalists.

 

 Not sure if it's a good thing.

Ok, by your logic be opiated by Europeans, and raped/exterminated by Japans  its better fate.

[Oerwinde]

 

Nature is about the strong dominating the weak

Only when there's a competition over resources, nature is adaptation more than anything else.. and we've come to a point where we can effectively cancel the need for competition out if we truly wanted. Now whether or not we should, is another matter of course.

 

 

Removing the need for competition removes the need for adaption, which then means we stagnate. Not a good thing.

[obyknven]

Because RAF make red terror again bourgeois exploiters,  i must explain what it word mean. Term terrorism in last years become victim of profanation and meaning become  perverted. For me difference between true terrorist and fake terrorists are obvious, at least Russians are inventors of this form of political struggle.

Just example of true terrorists:

 

The Party of Socialist Revolutionaries (PSR), which was founded in 1901, was unique in its official endorsement of terrorism as a political tactic. Many SRs understood terrorism as a more effective and more humane method for spurring political change then mass revolution, where the number of victims could run into the thousands.

To curb this violence, tsarist officials implemented strict controls on the production and proliferation of gunpowder and other explosive materials. As such, the Socialist Revolutionaries (SRs) typically procured materials abroad until tsarist authorities began to tighten border controls. Undaunted, the terrorists began to manufacture explosive materials themselves.

 

The bomb that was thrown at Plehve's carriage was a dynamite bomb, which weighed approximately 12 pounds. The Combat Organization had within its ranks several budding specialists in manufacturing processing of nitration and chemical stabilization of nitroglycerine and nitrocellulose. They included: Dora Brilliant, Aleksei Pokotilov, and Maksimilian Shveitser. Both Pokotilov's and Shveitser's lives were claimed by accidents in bomb making. After the successful assassination of Plehve, the SRs began to use dynamite bombs with increasing frequency; in 1905 they perpetrated more than 30 acts of terrorism using such explosives.

Although figures and sources vary, conservative estimates by scholar Dmitry M. Aleksenko suggest that, between 1902 and 1911, Russian revolutionaries (the SRs foremost among them) committed around 263 terrorist acts. Their victims included: 2 ministers, 33 governors, 16 local officials, 7 generals or admirals, 15 colonels, 8 barristers, and 26 spies. The majority of the perpetrators were workers, yet members of the intelligentsia, students, and some peasants also took part. 

 

In other words they attack government, military and intelligence elite, people of power. They don't kill peasants, poorfags, or other commoners, because they have no influence on politics and their death change nothing.

 

 

Fake terrorists:

Al-qaeda and other "jihadists". They avoid attack VIP's, killing commoners and peasants instead, especially oppressed Third World citizens. Their attacks justify imperialistic aggressions around the world. Their true nature is obvious, just google similar intelligence operations from the past (GLADIO, COINTELPRO, Creating Hamas by Massad for fight against Fatah etc). Now these fake "jihadists" in alliance with Israel fight against Syrians and Hezbollah, for any Muslim and citizen the Near East such behavior is unbelievable.

[Walsingham]

Gods. Not the dolphin rape again.

[Rosbjerg]

 

Removing the need for competition removes the need for adaption, which then means we stagnate. Not a good thing.

 

 

More and more hereditary diseases, weak hearts, bad eyesight, rising infertility etc .. The human race is not really adapting that well as it stands. Perhaps we should remove competition and start planning our own evolution.

[obyknven]

 

As hardcore Darwinist and supporter of Natural selection i can say - in capitalism Natural Selection don't work, social status not related with personal qualities of individual. Just look to capitalistic elite, their ugly and unhealthy outlook can't hide even Photoshop, their biological degradation is significant. In capitalism only how many money you have is important. Meanwhile left leaders looks gorgeous, healthy, their smartness and physical perfection is obvious. It's paradoxical, but while capitalists use Darwinian rhetoric for justify of inequality, they are not the best examples of human evolution.
 

 

[babaganoosh13]

As hardcore Darwinist and supporter of Natural selection i can say - in capitalism Natural Selection don't work, social status not related with personal qualities of individual. Just look to capitalistic elite, their ugly and unhealthy outlook can't hide even Photoshop, their biological degradation is significant. In capitalism only how many money you have is important. Meanwhile left leaders looks gorgeous, healthy, their smartness and physical perfection is obvious. It's paradoxical, but while capitalists use Darwinian rhetoric for justify of inequality, they are not the best examples of human evolution.

 

 

So if I become a communist, I will look better and my gene pool will become that much stronger?

 

Communism is magic!!!!!!!

 

The proof is in the pudding.

 

<--- Beyonce after becoming a commie. Beyonce when she was a capitalist pig --->

[obyknven]

 

As hardcore Darwinist and supporter of Natural selection i can say - in capitalism Natural Selection don't work, social status not related with personal qualities of individual. Just look to capitalistic elite, their ugly and unhealthy outlook can't hide even Photoshop, their biological degradation is significant. In capitalism only how many money you have is important. Meanwhile left leaders looks gorgeous, healthy, their smartness and physical perfection is obvious. It's paradoxical, but while capitalists use Darwinian rhetoric for justify of inequality, they are not the best examples of human evolution.

 

 

So if I become a communist, I will look better and my gene pool will become that much stronger?

 

Communism is magic!!!!!!!

 

The proof is in the pudding.

 

<--- Beyonce after becoming a commie. Beyonce when she was a capitalist pig --->

 

lol, but your logic is wrong. Imagine situation - you are charismatic, smart and strong. You want be successful, trying do something for this, but someday you understand, what anyway your fate be low-class looser only because all vacant places occupied by children's of rich parents.  They can be stupid morons, but moneys rule the world.

If you want change this situation you must break the system, you must become revolutionist.

[Walsingham]

More troll fail. Which is it you are these days 'oby'? Communist or New Putin?

[obyknven]

Too much trollephobia detected. Wals must visit psychoanalytic i think.

 

 Genetic degradation of elites is worldwide thing, just compare old paintings of  aristocrats with portraits of peasants. In capitalistic  society be born by right rich is most important thing, and this form of unnatural selection lead to degradation.

 

P.S. Artist and singers is not elite. Their profession appeared as form of prostitution for pleasure of rich people, they are just a servants.

[Walsingham]