Boy saves man, man kills boy

[Walsingham]

Tarna has a robust sense of humour, Deathscepter. More Prince Philip than the Queen

[J.E. Sawyer]

Hmm mentally ill old man? Surely the things he says regarding his beliefs should be regarded as part of a formal religious indoctrination!

 

When people say they worship the Satan/Lucifer/the devil, they're typically being facetious, puffing themselves up to appear "edgy", or are crazy as heck.

 

As with declared Christianity, declared Satanism has little to do with the reality of whether a person lives a selfless or selfish life. The few people I've met over the age of 14 who declare themselves to be Satanists with a straight face are obnoxiously overt about being relatively even-handed or pleasant while still observing a doctrine of enlightened self-interest. A sociopath who says, "I'm a sociopath," receives no sympathy and no support. Any person who says, "I'm selfish as heck and don't care about you," also receives no sympathy and no support. The people who are really like this don't declare it.

 

It's the moral equivalent of this wisdom from Life Aquatic:

 

"You never say, 'I'm gonna fight you, Steve.' You just smile and act natural... and then you sucker punch him."

[samm]

As with declared Christianity, declared Satanism has little to do with the reality of whether a person lives a selfless or selfish life.

If it's the institutionalized form of satanism, it has very much to do with selfishness. But as you say, declaring to be a christian doesn't make you one.

[Walsingham]

I see what you mean, dottore. Normally I suspect people who are Satanist keep schtumm about it. Although in the case of one memorable interview the guy threw it in my face. His angle was "I can tell you that I'd kill you for no reason without the law, and I can tell you that and you won't do one thing to stop me or kill me. Even though in a natural environment it's precisely what you should do."

[J.E. Sawyer]

Does "one thing to stop me" include "reporting to the police that you threatened my life"? Because that's a pretty compelling reason for a person to not kill you after threatening to do so -- I mean, unless you're the dumbest Satanist in all of Christendom. Not to mention that killing someone for no reason isn't selfish.

 

Again, openly telegraphing selfish motives or malicious intentions is stupid behavior, whether you're a Satanist or otherwise. I have to point back to Stevesy's advice: you don't say, "I'm gonna kill you, Steve." You just smile and act natural... and then you push him over a railing.

[Hell Kitty]

"I can tell you that I'd kill you for no reason without the law, and I can tell you that and you won't do one thing to stop me or kill me. Even though in a natural environment it's precisely what you should do."

 

I'd go with "wanker" or "wannabe" before "Satanist".

[Walsingham]

Why shouldn't he do so? I didn't report him to the police. Granted I had to abide by the code of such interviews which involves NOT telling the police everything, but even so, what could I say? "Excuse me, officer, but you must take my word for the fact that this man threatened my life!" I had no proof. He had no motive. Even in cases where there is very good cause to suspect violent intent teh police rarely do anything (as in domestic abuse). Telling me then becomes a statement of power, and also of self-support. He was almost proving (to his mind) the corrupt and weak nature of civil society.

[Hell Kitty]

He had no motive.

 

He didn't need a motive, the only thing stopping him was the man. And what did he mean by "I can tell you that and you won't do one thing to stop me or kill me."? He would run you over in a Volvo while you are crossing the street?

[Walsingham]

He had no motive.

 

He didn't need a motive, the only thing stopping him was the man. And what did he mean by "I can tell you that and you won't do one thing to stop me or kill me."? He would run you over in a Volvo while you are crossing the street?

 

As I recall, his precise threat was to stab me at random one night outside my house. Which would be a pretty good way to do it.

[Hell Kitty]

He had no motive.

 

He didn't need a motive, the only thing stopping him was the man. And what did he mean by "I can tell you that and you won't do one thing to stop me or kill me."? He would run you over in a Volvo while you are crossing the street?

 

As I recall, his precise threat was to stab me at random one night outside my house. Which would be a pretty good way to do it.

 

Is he also a ninja as well as a satanist? Is there something about you that suggests you have absolutely no hope of fighting back? Honestly I think he'd be better off using the Volvo. No chance of falling on his own knife after stepping on his cape that way.

 

It's like those guys on message boards for tv shows like "The Unit" who claim they can vouch for the shows authenticity because they too were once part of a secret military unit performing covert missions around the world. Anyone can make **** like that up, there is no power in it, and the only thing it says about society is that people are wankers who like to think they are more interesting then they really are.

 

Those who can, do. Those who can't, claim they can and tell stories about how awesome they are while doing it.

Edited January 16, 2009 by Hell Kitty

[Walsingham]

I've been involved in two attempted stabbings, and in neither case was I saved by anything other than blind luck. I'm not saying there aren't a tonne of wannabes out there. But this was face to face, and I believe he was serious. In the end I suspect he didn't because he knew I believed him, and he wanted his story told. Most people do. I think it's one of the most powerful motivating forces in the human soul - the urge to be understood.

[Gorgon]

I watched an episode of 'The Unit' where they planned to frag their commanding officer because he'd slept with one of their wives. Yes, I'm sure that's all very authentic.

 

It was also impressed by how nauseatingly flag waving it is. I mean where else would you hear 'Are you a true American' used in general conversation. Can't the PC brigade get off their arses and try to have it banned, I'm genuinely worried about the effect this show will have on children.

 

Mostly it just saddens me to see half decent actors belittling themselves like this, it's like watching Al Pacino turning tricks in drag on Hollywood Boulevard.

Edited January 16, 2009 by Gorgon

[J.E. Sawyer]

Granted I had to abide by the code of such interviews which involves NOT telling the police everything, but even so, what could I say? "Excuse me, officer, but you must take my word for the fact that this man threatened my life!"

Intercession prior to the crime isn't the disincentive; the disincentive is that the police have been told that person x made a threat, so if you wind up lying in a pool of blood on your flat, Capt. Stupid is the first person they're going to look at. It would also make a pretty good defense if you wanted to pre-emptively stab him if he approached you in any environment after that point. Only a total nimrod would risk that level of scrutiny and danger for "no reason".

[Walsingham]

Granted I had to abide by the code of such interviews which involves NOT telling the police everything, but even so, what could I say? "Excuse me, officer, but you must take my word for the fact that this man threatened my life!"

Intercession prior to the crime isn't the disincentive; the disincentive is that the police have been told that person x made a threat, so if you wind up lying in a pool of blood on your flat, Capt. Stupid is the first person they're going to look at. It would also make a pretty good defense if you wanted to pre-emptively stab him if he approached you in any environment after that point. Only a total nimrod would risk that level of scrutiny and danger for "no reason".

 

A good point. Except at the time I was interviewing him I could have been attacked by all sorts of people! Wouldn't be fair to get him nailed if someone else did it.

[Pushtrak]

Didn't he name himself after some famous Satanist. The name rings a bell.

 

Mister Crowley,

What went on in your head?

Oh, Mister Crowley,

Did you talk to the dead?

Your life style to me seemed so tragic

And the Moonspell version of that song is obviously the best.

But he was released in March, despite police objections, because the CPS was not ready for a committal hearing, despite being warned that custody time limits would not be extended. District Judge Dorothy Quick had no choice but to grant conditonal bail.

 

He was ordered to report to police each day, but that condition was dropped in April last year. Crowley, by this time living rough, was now devising a plan to commit murder. A note written on a bench in the grounds of St Giles's church, near the boy's home, gave an indication of the state of Crowley's mind.

Psychotic person is psychotic. As has been stated, its a deranged lunatic who happened to be a Satanist. Not to be a Devil's Advocate*.

 

 

 

 

* That must be one of the most perfect times for its use. Yes, yes, I know true Satanism doesn't worship a Devil. But, still.

[Walsingham]

OK. But what would you say if I tried to defend a mafia client claiming that they were more mad than bad? I'm just making the case for the fun of it.

[Pushtrak]

OK. But what would you say if I tried to defend a mafia client claiming that they were more mad than bad? I'm just making the case for the fun of it.

Either there was merit, and off to the loony bin. Or not, and off to prison. Or death row for the American types.

[Walsingham]

Fair enough.