I think the alien with the hosts memories should eventually meet up with the loved one and after learning a valuable lesson that it's whats inside that count, we get some totally hot alien lovin'. GOTY.

But what's inside is acid. What counts is acid. I would pity that loved one. The images are just too horrible. Acid.

 

Unless they use protection.

Edited January 10, 200818 yr by Tale

There is a basis for my theory. After watching Alien Resurrection, I came to the conclusion that not only do the aliens have a genetic memory, they also assimilate their host's memories as well. That's the only way to explain how Ripley retained most of her memories: the queen copied her memories and personality, and encoded them onto it's DNA; also, Ripley's human DNA was presumably altered to properly maintain the queen embryo. Some mixing occurred, and this altered DNA sample was somehow obtained by the Auriga, who then used it to create a clone of Ripley, and the genetic alterations made by the alien caused the clones to also contain their own embryos. Since the DNA was corrupted by the mixing and the cloning process, Ripley 8 had more alien DNA than implantation normally spliced, and inversely the Queen had more human DNA than would be normally spliced as well, which resulted in things that were never intended by the Pilots: the Cloned Aliens (aliens with innate human DNA unrelated to host), the Newborn (an unnatural human-alien hybrid), and the Human-Alien hybrid clones of Ripley. Presumably, if Ripley 8 was to reproduce, her child would automatically have alien DNA and very likely also an undeveloped Queen embryo inside its body.

 

Also, AVP2 revealed to us another aspect of the alien reproductive cycle: an young queen's inner maw is replaced by an ovipositor which it uses to implant embryos in humans to reproduce a hive faster before the ovipositor is replaced by the inner maw and she develops the egg sac. Despite popular belief, this has nothing to do with how predators reproduce, and said queen was also on a powerful aphrodisiac delivered in utero that sped up the cycle to unnatural degrees. Presumably this horrific series of events also happened on the Acheron colony, albeit much slower and less violently.

There is a basis for my theory. After watching Alien Resurrection, I came to the conclusion that not only do the aliens have a genetic memory, they also assimilate their host's memories as well. That's the only way to explain how Ripley retained most of her memories: the queen copied her memories and personality, and encoded them onto it's DNA; also, Ripley's human DNA was presumably altered to properly maintain the queen embryo. Some mixing occurred, and this altered DNA sample was somehow obtained by the Auriga, who then used it to create a clone of Ripley, and the genetic alterations made by the alien caused the clones to also contain their own embryos. Since the DNA was corrupted by the mixing and the cloning process, Ripley 8 had more alien DNA than implantation normally spliced, and inversely the Queen had more human DNA than would be normally spliced as well, which resulted in things that were never intended by the Pilots: the Cloned Aliens (aliens with innate human DNA unrelated to host), the Newborn (an unnatural human-alien hybrid), and the Human-Alien hybrid clones of Ripley. Presumably, if Ripley 8 was to reproduce, her child would automatically have alien DNA and very likely also an undeveloped Queen embryo inside its body.

 

So what your really asking for, is to play as a human in a xenomorphs body.

 

How about there being a costume rental store in the game, and you can hire out a xenomorph costume?

 

Also, AVP2 revealed to us another aspect of the alien reproductive cycle: an young queen's inner maw is replaced by an ovipositor which it uses to implant embryos in humans to reproduce a hive faster before the ovipositor is replaced by the inner maw and she develops the egg sac. Despite popular belief, this has nothing to do with how predators reproduce, and said queen was also on a powerful aphrodisiac delivered in utero that sped up the cycle to unnatural degrees. Presumably this horrific series of events also happened on the Acheron colony, albeit much slower and less violently.

 

AvP is not part of the Aliens universe.

So what your really asking for, is to play as a human in a xenomorphs body.

 

How about there being a costume rental store in the game, and you can hire out a xenomorph costume?

 

AvP is not part of the Aliens universe.

A human being in a xenomorph body will be hunted down by the hive automatically, and he will very likely go insane due to his new condition. It is anything but cool or fun.

 

And despite your personal misgivings, Fox considers Alien, Predator, and Terminator to be in the same universe. Why else would the settings share certain miscellaneous things? Why would there even be crossovers allowed at all? It's not our decision.

Maybe there could be Terminator and Predator costumes too then?

 

What about Batman? I am sure I have seen him having a beef with an alien.

 

I would so love to go to the party in a Batman costume.

 

Seriously though, your idea is intriguing. There

Edited January 11, 200818 yr by Sh0dan

none of the Alien films in return have tied themselves to the... AvP films. And I doubt they ever will.

 

There's a very good explanation to that you seem to be overlooking. There haven't been any Alien films for several years before the AvP films started.

I guess its obvious that I

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Alien 3 was more than slightly boring, sometimes a lot of restrictions work for the creative process and deliver strong characterisations, and then again sometimes what you are mostly left with are the restrictions and a complete disregard for who lives and who dies, just wanting the damn thing to be over.

 

Alien 4 was a travesty, trying to incorporate dual wielding space cowboys and a comic book approach with a gene-splicing angle that produced an absolutely laughable end of level alien queen.

 

AVP has a young scientist, or was she a climbing/outdoorsy speticalist of some description, battling it out with aliens and predators alike with a spear. It's so beyond stupid words fail me.

 

Best choice for the available cannon here is just to plug your fingers in your ears and go 'la la la la la la' whenever anyone mentions any of the above.

 

For the record, I have a secret fondness for the predator movies, and of course the original Alien and Aliens are absolutely jaw-dropping awesome.

Edited January 11, 200818 yr by Gorgon

I think that blindly declaring anything from AvP, later Aliens movies, etc to be non-canon and thus not implementable in the game to be a rather narrow view.

 

There are features of all those media which if researched properly and introduced smoothly in the game would be very viable plot devices and/or atmospheric elements.

 

For example, the "alien takes some DNA from the host" theory's viability in the context of Aliens 1 canon depends entirely on how it is implemented, explained, and how prominently it features in the game. Non-canon additions tend to come under heavier fire when they are crucial to the movie/game in question.

 

The same goes for having non-Xenomorph life-forms in the game.

The AvP games, movies, and some of the comics have handled and elaborated upon the Alien's borrowing of host traits quite properly. I don't think there's any official media featuring the creatures made since the early 90s that ignores it. Any supposed fan who ignores it seems to just be behaving a little dense.

It is a narrow view, but only on the subject of the films.

 

When it comes to the things we care about, especially when we see them go down the pan. Peoples views do tend to narrow a little. A narrow view isn

That door swings both ways quite readily. Just because a movie is good doesn't mean everything it uses is good. The Alien Queen is actually a relatively horrible idea for the Alien franchise and detracts from the themes more than anything else except the hybrid alien at the end of 4. But since Cameron did so well in everything else and how he presented it, people accept it. Despite the fact it strays from the themes established by Scott and O'bannon. And even some of Cameron's own. Heck, quite a bit of Aliens strays from what was presented by Alien.

Edited January 11, 200818 yr by Tale

True, the Alien Queen was just really a bigger "end boss" to fight. The original idea for Alien life cycle was more sinister, I think. Cameron's movie in general is quite a different beast compared to Scott's. More of an action thriller than straight horror, but I love them both. For the later movies my reaction is similar to Gordon's. Heh, I think I like the Strause brothers' movie better than those, God help me.

 

Now you have pushed me into the realm of nerdy speculation. I don't know or really care what the "canonical" view of these things is. The one problem of the idea of Alien Queen is that it makes Aliens easier to stop if they are dependent of her and thus less scary. Kill the Queen and they will die off eventually, right? Ideally the Aliens should be unstoppable engines of destruction that will wipe us out if we keep going where we are not supposed to go. There are some ideas to make them a bit less dependent. For example, the Aliens RPG suggested that any Alien can lay eggs under certain conditions the Queen just does it more efficiently. Other idea is that any Alien can change into a Queen if there isn't one. Sadly, the movies don't really seem to support these view as the Aliens seem to be content just to kill everyone if there is no queen.

 

While I'm at it, I might as well go into detail on what I dislike about the hybrid idea. There's the realism aspect and the sillyness aspect of it. The sillyness aspect is easy to explain. Just think of the bunny rabbid Aliens, giraffe Aliens, crocodile Aliens (there was one in a Batman crossover,) and so on. Clearly it has to be presented right or it will go spectacularly wrong like in A:R. The realism aspect is about how different biochemistry Aliens seem to have, acid for blood and all that, and therefore might be unlikely to have DNA or make sense of terrestial one. How do we know that all independently evolved life will have the same method of storing genetic information anyway? Fortunately there's an answer that gives an oppoturnity for an interesting backstory: Maybe the life in Aliens universe is not so independently evolved after all. Also, maybe Aliens are not naturally evolved, but designed as living weapons with uncanny adaptability. The Giants (Pilots) might be responsible for both.

I agree somewhat on the queen. What you wrote Kissamies about the alien queen being the Achilles' heel of the entire race is true. Though in Scotts DC he puts back in the egg morphing, so I guess the queen is no longer such a weakness. Even if she was before Scotts later re-addition. It definitely bothered me before Scotts DC.

 

Apart from that I think it was good judgment by Cameron to bring in the queen, because it allowed him to introduce the hive cut from Scotts original film while elaborating further on the aliens already closed life cycle. With the addition of the queen (something we hadn

Edited January 11, 200818 yr by Sh0dan

Just because a creature is silicon-based and has acid for blood does not mean it has no DNA. In order to even be classified as an organism a creature must have genetic blueprints. Since the Xenomorphs can parasitize carbon-based lifeforms, it can be assumed they are compatible with and able to reverse engineer conventional DNA. And an alien's host must be of sufficient size to house an embryo. So no bunnies. All the host's we've seen were between the size of an adolescent and an ox, so that must be the restriction for hosts.

 

The creature in Alien was likely either an immature Queen or a Royal Guard. It was trying to create a hive by transforming it's two victims into cocoons, which contrary to popular belief, would hatch into adult Aliens, bypassing the facehugger entirely. So the aliens can reproduce in a variety of ways, such as by laying eggs containing facehuggers that implant embryos, immature queens bypassing the facehuggers by implanting an embryo themselves, and using a host's body as material for a new adult. When abnormally spliced with human DNA, the queen gains a womb and gives birth to an alien-human hybrid. All of these are asexual in nature.

 

I wouldn't really like a sexual reproduction angle for the aliens, since I actually read an explicit fanfiction to that effect involving kings, incest, and blow jobs (don't ask). Moving on to xenophilia, it got to the point where I was so repulsed that I never watch the movies the same way again.

Just because a creature is silicon-based and has acid for blood does not mean it has no DNA. In order to even be classified as an organism a creature must have genetic blueprints. Since the Xenomorphs can parasitize carbon-based lifeforms, it can be assumed they are compatible with and able to reverse engineer conventional DNA.

But genetic code doesn't necessarily equal DNA or RNA. Sure it does here on Earth, but who knows what some independently developed life would have in its cells for storing its genetic blueprints. Very complex polysaccharide chains perhaps? That's what makes the polyspermia idea so attractive to me if I must accept the hybrids as canon. The fact that xenomorphs even bother with that parasitic thing is an argument for the assimilation, but it could just as well be a conventional source of food.

Just because a creature is silicon-based and has acid for blood does not mean it has no DNA. In order to even be classified as an organism a creature must have genetic blueprints. Since the Xenomorphs can parasitize carbon-based lifeforms, it can be assumed they are compatible with and able to reverse engineer conventional DNA. And an alien's host must be of sufficient size to house an embryo. So no bunnies. All the host's we've seen were between the size of an adolescent and an ox, so that must be the restriction for hosts.

 

I understand what you're saying, and it's obviously the angle they'll have to take.

 

Buuuuut. You're not exactly correct. DNA is a carbon-based molecule. It's highly unlikely to be present inside a non-carbon-based lifeform. Also, acidic blood would denature both proteins and nucleic acids (ruin their structure and/or pull them apart).

 

Hmm. Although, if the organism IS transgenic, then the DNA problem isn't so important. And I just found an extremophile which lives in pH 2 environments. Apparently it pumps out the extra protons (Hydrogen Ions, the reason for acidity). So I guess you could kind of extend this concept from a unicellular organism to a multicellular organism.

 

But yeah, all current genetic molecules have been carbon based... although interestingly RNA and synthetic nucleic acids can still base pair with DNA.

I guess its obvious that I

*Puts fingers in ears*

 

La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la.

NO!! Predators are apart of aliens and if you say they are not you are just being rediculous. I hope OBsidian has PREDALIENS! they are so awesome and my favrite xenomorph.

 

You can make this dream a reality... if you assist in financing Sega to secure a predator license as well to make the game.

 

Probably cost a million or 2, which I think should affordable for for you considering your enthusiasm.

On Alien dna assimilation:

 

 

Ha ha, that

Heh, I take it back. Hybrid Aliens are totally worth it!

Replying to the the topic starter's question; if you did, chances are it would probably be like playing the Alien in the AVP Games, since Aliens, essentially, only had claws, tail and inner tongue.

 

As for Hybrid Aliens, the only ones Ive really cared for are the human and dog/ox aliens, the one from Resurrection was horrible, the Predalien in AVP-R wasn't that good either.

 

Here's hoping the game utilizes the first three Alien designs, and not the crap ones from A:R, AVP and AVP-R.

I've been wondering something, how come the predator language has words like Kainde Amedha in it, when it basically consists of clicks.