Screw the Geneva

[Darque]

Geneva Convention? Never heard of it.

 

The goal of war is to win.

 

By any means.

[Dark_Raven]

Oh?

[Darque]

Yup.

 

The best way to win a war is to do so without ever firing a shot. The bloodless win is best.

 

But if you do have to fight, it must be decisive and complete, and your commitment total.

[Dark_Raven]

Full force by any means necessary including all and any type of weapons in one's arsenal?

[Darque]

Of course.

[SteveThaiBinh]

If we're prepared to use any means, then we've already lost. The Geneva Convention exists to protect those who would perpetrate torture as much as those who might be subjected to it.

[Darque]

If we're prepared to use any means, then we've already lost.  The Geneva Convention exists to protect those who would perpetrate torture as much as those who might be subjected to it.

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Please.

 

The Geneva convention exists to mask the efforts of those who would do it behind closed doors. As was proven during the current situation.

[SteveThaiBinh]

As was proven during the current situation.

I'm sorry, there are so many current situations. Which one are you referring to specifically?

[Dark_Raven]

I would assume the one in Iraq?

[SteveThaiBinh]

Or Afghanistan, or Guantanamo, or extraordinary rendition in Europe. The Geneva Convention makes it harder for governments to commit abuses by forcing them to do it under the cover of secrecy and lies and shame. Or is it better to do it openly? If we're to have torture in Guantanamo, why not in the town square as well?

[Darque]

If you're going to do it, might as well be honest about it.

[Dark_Raven]

The Western world is civilized and would prefer, if such an incident occur, kept in the dark.

[Darque]

The Western world is civilized and would prefer, if such an incident occur, kept in the dark.

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If the incidents occur at all, that proves they aren't civilized.

[213374U]

If the incidents occur at all, that proves they aren't civilized.

Get real.

[Judge Hades]

Darque is right. We live in the pretense of civility but in truth we are savages. We do torture and kill, and there is a small amount of pleasure when we do so. It doesn't matter if we do it in secret or out in the public known to all. The fact that it is done at all shows that we are just beasts, hiding behind the viel of righteousness.

[213374U]

I'm sure you think that sounded really deep, but in fact, it was quite lame.

 

Anyway, it seems to me that you need to revise your definition of "civilized".

[Judge Hades]

Actually I don't think anything that i type here or anywhere else as deep. In fact I don't care if it sounds deep or not. That is for others to decide. What other people think is deep or not is irrelevant to me. I just type out what I feel at the moment on the subject matter currently at hand. No more and no less.

 

As for the definition of civilized person I define it as a person who knows when to interere and when to mind his or her own business. A civilized person would act benign to others without judging or bringing harm unless it is self defense. A civilized person would seek justice if such justice is wanted by those who are victimized by others, and such justice is swift and fits the crime done without malice.

 

There is no such thing as a civilized person in this world and humans, by their very nature, will never become truly civilized.

Edited June 9, 2006 by Judge Hades

[Dark Moth]

Well, at least he's honest about it...

[Judge Hades]

I think it is funny that there is always someone accusing me of trying to be deep when I never try to be deep. I think they are reading way to much into what I am typing.

[astr0creep]

I think it is funny that there is always someone  accusing me of trying to be deep when I never try to be deep.  I think they are reading way to much into what I am typing.

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And you are typing way to much then what we are willing to read.

[Judge Hades]

QFT!

[taks]

Your point?

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you obviously have never read the geneva convention, yet somehow you think we should be following it. a soldier is not "just a soldier" out of uniform. they need to be clearly marked that they are soldiers. duh.

 

dang hades, sometimes...

 

taks

[Judge Hades]

Sometimes a soldier is off duty when combat begins.

[alanschu]

And how many of those off-duty soldiers go off to war without getting into uniform?

 

But hey, if you get pleasure out of torturing people, then I'm not going to argue.

[Judge Hades]

I wouldn't torture anyone. Thats a soldier's job.