Who will win the console war?

[red47]

Ya OK. YOU obviously have no clue what you are talking about.  And for the part about it only able to use 7 GB to play games you are dead wrong on that, considering you have alot more to use for game saves, i.e. 20 GB. i own a 360 stupid and i use alot more on my hard drive..

First: learn to quote properly, your posts look like ****.

 

Second: Only 7GB of the 7.95GB capacity of a dual-layered DVD is available for developers to use for game content.

 

Source: http://www.gamersreports.com/index.php?sid=3138

 

Why you bring the hard drive into the DVD discussion is beyond me, but you're wrong nonetheless. Only 13 GB of the hard drive are available to the user, not 20; the rest is reserved for the system and games.

 

 

 

Edit: Replaced a non-working link.

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Actually you use can use 20 GB of the hard drive space, you can only use 13 when you have the backward compatabilite update from xbox live, so get the facts straight buddy.

[Cantousent]

Personally, I think this forum has a lot of very vocal, very aggressive Playstation fans. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. What I do think is bad is that the PS fans have somehow branded Epiphany as something terrible. He acts pretty much the way they do.

 

Let me be clear, the PS fans are no better than Epiphany. He acted pretty much like everyone else in this thread. Think of this. We're not really arguing who is going to "win" the console wars. We're arguing about why one system is better than another. This is particularly foolish seeing as how only one of the consoles is actually out on the market at this point. After we have working models, we can argue the hardware. Meanwhile, the nature of the market means that we're essentially choosing between different selections of software. That means that hardware considerations are secondary unless we bring blu-ray into the debate.

 

Now, to be fair, mkreku has been aggressive and obnoxious on the issue, but he's also been very clear about his desire to see blue-ray succeed. Since that's the case, I can understand why he's pushing the PS3. Some folks, however, are pushing the PS3 out of nothing but brand-loyalty. What this brand loyalty means is that, instead of trying to find the best system, we're forced to choose a game line-up. That's not the ideal solution for the consumer, is it?

 

Finally, you guys should chill a bit. It's simply ridiculous that we can't have a discussion regarding consoles without some message board cowpokes shooting up the place. You don't need to go after each other with fire and tongs. Now, you could take offense at my "diplomatic" ways, I suppose, and come after me with pitch forks and fiery brands. Don't.

[Llyranor]

I don't know what Eldar's talking about, but I'm all for going after him with a pitchfork.

[LoneWolf16]

I'll bring the fiery brands.

 

 

 

Wait, but Epiphany puts all these lamers to shame.

 

He was the be all, the end all, the penultimate fanboi of teh Box. At least these guys put up links, that guy fabricated and spread more disinformation, slanting of views, and downright lies, than the combined governments of every country existing since the dawn of man.

 

Ahem. I'm not a console fan, or a PC fan really, I just use whatever allows me to play the games I want in all their graphical splendor.

Edited June 4, 2006 by LoneWolf16

[red47]

hey guys, i have an idea. why dont we wait until all the consoles are released. then we will find out who won. unit then lets just stick with the voting, we could go on forever about what the PS3 might be and what the 360 is. you choose whatever console you like. as for me, i am sticking with the 360. :D

[StillLife]

I don't believe I frabricated, nor do I believe I said it was selling "great".  I did however wrongly state it was selling better than the original Xbox did.

 

The Xbox 360 is doing better than the Xbox did, and it's still selling decently for what was expected, especially since there aren't that many games that appeal to most of the market.

 

Both of those claims were untrue as Microsoft themselves admitted sales were disappointing.

 

But if you could point out more of these "several" things that were untrue that you opted not to point out?  Try to avoid the "chuck patch" as that one was covered, and just a quick mistake on my part.

 

So that's two, which isn't several.

 

With that said, Sony has made it no secret that they're going to try and copy Live 1.0 (basically the current version of Live) the best they can, which is a service they will charge for.

 

False.

 

Link

 

This morning, SCEA's PR Manager helped to clarify the situation. When asked to confirm whether playing games online via the PlayStation 3 would be free of charge, it was stated, plain and simply, "Please note that online gaming will be free right out of the box". There ya go.

 

Some things are hard to prove to be completely untrue, even though the statement might be highly questionable and misleading. For example:

 

By the time Mass Effect is released, the Xbox 360 userbase will be 10 million at minimum, and growing quickly (if ME makes an early winter 2006 release).

 

April 28, 2006

 

Microsoft confirmed that 3.2 million Xbox 360s have been sold worldwide, with 1.8 million consoles sold in the US, 1.1 sold in Europe, and 300,000 sold in the rest of the world.

 

10 million(over triple the sales currently) by early winter is a bit of a stretch. Someone taking you at your word who hadn't looked at sales figures might be fooled by statements like that into assuming that's a reasonable estimation though.

 

]Games also tend to get smaller as developers spend more time with the hardware.

 

Another kind of statement where you'd be well-served to back up with some info, as statements like that are fairly vague and hard to prove either way. Too much work? Take your own advice:

 

...try not to make unlear points that you aren't 100% willing to support.

 

All I'm pointing out is that every once in a while, it's good to use a link when making factual statements.

[Cantousent]

If you're saying that every factual statement made by PS3 fans in this thread are 100% accurate, you're a fool. Let me be clear, links are all well and good, and I think links are all well and good. In fact, some of the links you braniacs have posted have actuall proven some of 10k fist's points.

 

So, the moderators should be very careful about how they treat this situation because, regardless of what you hard core regulars think, Epiphany unfairly got the shaft. If it looks like 10k fist is going to get the shaft, then the rest of us might want to consider exactly how fair this board will be when a number of PS fans can band together and have someone put on moderated status or drive them away.

 

This vendetta crap really should stop. You guys really, really, really want one platform or the other to win? Fine. ...But what I see is folks going through 10k fist's posts with a fine tooth comb to grasp at any error they might find. I've seen folks make mistakes in a lot of threads without calling them a liar. Yes, I'm talking to you! If Xbox fans can expect this treatment from you jackals, then I don't think it should be the xbox fan who's put on moderated status next time.

 

Some of what 10k fits has said makes perfect sense. Some of it does not. You do have to concede that he's admitted his mistakes on a few occasions. That's damned sight better than some folks.

 

Now, you all keep posting links. I think they're informative. ...But I've seen some links on this board that look more than a little shaky. I've also seen some statements without links that have proved to be true in the long run. Just posting a link, in isolation, does not win the legitimacy war. In fact, as I cited above, at least once the link some other yutz provided proved 10k right.

 

You all say that Epiphany was the worst. That's not how I see it. How I see it is, Epiphany wasn't a regular and most of the hard core regulars are PS fans and so Epiphany was rail-roaded. That's how I see it. Now, why don't you post some Epiphany quotes and pile on the guy for a while longer. This sort of activity is truly pathetic and people who engage in such activity... well, you can finish that statement itself.

 

Of course, since I had the audacity to tell you the truth, I'm sure someone might want to see me put on moderated status.

[Bokishi]

Ahem. I'm not a console fan, or a PC fan really, I just use whatever allows me to play the games I want in all their graphical splendor. 

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Heh, yeah me too.

[StillLife]

If you're saying that every factual statement made by PS3 fans in this thread are 100% accurate, you're a fool.  Let me be clear, links are all well and good, and I think links are all well and good.  In fact, some of the links you braniacs have posted have actuall proven some of 10k fist's points.

Course I'm not Eldar. I don't know about lumping me into the "you" category either, as I have no favoritism as far as consoles go if that's what you're implying.

 

The fact is, no one should make stuff up(or get it from an unreliable source), present it as a fact, and then let it go at that. It's just inconsiderate and somewhat under-handed.

 

So, the moderators should be very careful about how they treat this situation because, regardless of what you hard core regulars think, Epiphany unfairly got the shaft.  If it looks like 10k fist is going to get the shaft, then the rest of us might want to consider exactly how fair this board will be when a number of PS fans can band together and have someone put on moderated status or drive them away.

10k fists hasn't done anything to warrant something as drastic as a banning. It's not like we're writing college research papers here. I was merely pointing out that maybe for his own benefit, and the benefit of other discussing a topic, he should check his facts before throwing them out there.

 

I have no clue who this Ephiphany guy is. Fanboys tend to blend together under a banner of ignorance in my mind.

 

This vendetta crap really should stop.  You guys really, really, really want one platform or the other to win?  Fine.  ...But what I see is folks going through 10k fist's posts with a fine tooth comb to grasp at any error they might find.  I've seen folks make mistakes in a lot of threads without calling them a liar.  Yes, I'm talking to you!  If Xbox fans can expect this treatment from you jackals, then I don't think it should be the xbox fan who's put on moderated status next time.

You're waaaay off base. For the record, I think the majority of Mkreku's opinions are moronic and 10k fists has made some good one's in this thread. I was merely jumping in as an unbiased spectator.

 

Some of what 10k fits has said makes perfect sense.  Some of it does not.  You do have to concede that he's admitted his mistakes on a few occasions.  That's damned sight better than some folks.

Okay.

 

You all say that Epiphany was the worst.  That's not how I see it.  How I see it is, Epiphany wasn't a regular and most of the hard core regulars are PS fans and so Epiphany was rail-roaded.  That's how I see it.  Now, why don't you post some Epiphany quotes and pile on the guy for a while longer.  This sort of activity is truly pathetic and people who engage in such activity... well, you can finish that statement itself.

I really don't like targetting and belittling people, so maybe it was unfair to only point out 10k fists misleading statements - though they were regular enough for me to have taken notice of. However, he did ask me to back it up, which was the least I could do without just being an accusatory ass and leaving it at that.

 

Of course, since I had the audacity to tell you the truth, I'm sure someone might want to see me put on moderated status.

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Don't be silly.

Edited June 4, 2006 by StillLife

[LoneWolf16]

If you're saying that every factual statement made by PS3 fans in this thread are 100% accurate, you're a fool.  Let me be clear, links are all well and good, and I think links are all well and good.  In fact, some of the links you braniacs have posted have actuall proven some of 10k fist's points.

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Never said that they're 100% accurate. To tell the truth, I really don't care either way in this debate.

 

These guys are bad enough, but Epiph did take the cake.

 

You all say that Epiphany was the worst.  That's not how I see it.  How I see it is, Epiphany wasn't a regular and most of the hard core regulars are PS fans and so Epiphany was rail-roaded.  That's how I see it.  Now, why don't you post some Epiphany quotes and pile on the guy for a while longer.  This sort of activity is truly pathetic and people who engage in such activity... well, you can finish that statement itself.

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See the last line above.

 

I've never posted quotes from him, never piled on the guy, and spent most of the time just sitting here, reading and marveling at the balls required to make the claims he did. He wasn't railroaded by hardcore PS fans. People just called him on his falsehoods and he responded with a nice holier than thou attitude about his console along with yet more claims...the guy never missed an opportunity to belittle the competition.

 

That's not to say people here haven't done that...but damn near constantly? No.

 

And I was actually just kidding with that "He was the be all and end all..." bit.

[Llyranor]

The funny thing is that *I* already won the console war.

[Skynet]

Bah! We don't need Eldar and his silly little logic.

[Bokishi]

There is only one way this war will end...

 

 

in Massive Damage

 

Edited June 5, 2006 by Bokishi

[LoneWolf16]

You wouldn't dare!

[Dark_Raven]

No console for you. Derailment has taken a mighty blow to the console war.