Volourn Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 "I don't think it's the end of Bioware." Huh? It *is* the end. They are no longer independent. The Doctors no longer have absolute final nor the only say. They have new partners whose opinion is equal to theirs now. Period. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 You missed the point SP. The point of that post wa snot toa rgue how much money JE lost or did not lost. or even how much it earned or did not earned. It was simply used to kaboch the idea that somehow JE's "failure" or "success" is what somehow led to BIO choosing to partnering up with other companies. I seriously doubt one game underperforming (if that is even the case which I doubt) would bring financial ruin to a company. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Success of failure is relative. In terms of sales Biowares been on a downward slide since BG II hasnt it. That may have set alarm bells ringing since you could attribute the success to the product name rather than the company name. That would be a bit of a slap in the face and a wake up call. How much of an effect it had would depend on if they had the capital to absorb it which it looks like they do. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 (edited) I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wow I'm going to dedicate my sig to this :D It's about time I changed it anyway. I'm not really bothered. I would have been a couple of years ago , but not now. Edited November 3, 2005 by ShadowPaladin V1.0 I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> or not we'll see, won't we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I don't get why people use quotes from others for their sigs. Don't you have any imagination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 or not we'll see, won't we. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd say that thing they are doing for the 360.. Mass Effect ? Has suddenly become pretty important. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 (edited) "In terms of sales Biowares been on a downward slide since BG II hasnt it." False. False. False. Combined, BG and BG2 sold 5 million copies. Combined, NWN and KOTOR has sold 5.5 MILLION copies. (lol) JE has 600k+, and it's just over 6 months old while the BG series have had years to sell + expansions as well. You better learn to do math, moi boy. It's embarassing to have to embarass you so much. You lose. P.S. Hades, I never said BIo was dead. I said they were no longer independent. Big difference. Edited November 3, 2005 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I don't get why people use quotes from others for their sigs. Don't you have any imagination? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well in this case because it's a record of your prediction Got to take my virtual dog for a walk but I'm still reading. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 (edited) "In terms of sales Biowares been on a downward slide since BG II hasnt it." False. False. False. Combined, BG and BG2 sold 5 million copies. Combined, NWN and KOTOR has sold 5.5 copies. JE has 600k+, and it's just over 6 months old while the BG series have had years to sell + expansions as well. You better learn to do math, moi boy. It's embarassing to have to embarass you so much. You lose. P.S. Hades, I never said BIo was dead. I said they were no longer independent. Big difference. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Newsflash , you can't combine games together just to make yourself feel better. Take them as individual games and then tell me I'm wrong I'm pretty sure NWN and KOTOR managed more than 5.5 copies too since I have 4 Edited November 3, 2005 by ShadowPaladin V1.0 I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 or not we'll see, won't we. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd say that thing they are doing for the 360.. Mass Effect ? Has suddenly become pretty important. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dragon Age anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 (edited) BG1 + expansion sold 2.6mil copies. BG2 + expansion sold 2.5mil copies. NWN + expansions sold 3mil copies. KOTOR + no expansion sold 2.5 copies. You lose. Again. Stop trying. You are losing here. Huge. Game over. NEWSFLASH: Your theory that BIO's sales have gone south since BG2 is plain old fashion FALSE. "I'm pretty sure NWN and KOTOR managed more than 5.5 copies too since I have 4 Heh. must edit quicker. It's (obviously) 5.5 mil copies. :D Edited November 3, 2005 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Dragon Age anyone? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stopped paying attention to it sometime last year. How far along is it anyway ? I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 BG1 + expansion sold 2.6mil copies. BG2 + expansion sold 2.5mil copies. NWN + expansions sold 3mil copies. KOTOR + no expansion sold 2.5 copies. You lose. Again. Stop trying. You are losing here. Huge. Game over. NEWSFLASH: Your theory that BIO's sales have gone south since BG2 is plain old fashion FALSE. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Where are you getting these figures from ? Post a link to a source. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 (edited) "How far along is it anyway ?" 2007 at the earliest. Don't worry about it. "Where are you getting these figures from ? Post a link to a source. " I hate links. I hate sources. But I LOVE to embarass you. LOVE > HATE so.... http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/about/ Edited November 3, 2005 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Stopped paying attention to it sometime last year. How far along is it anyway ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Uh...stopped paying attention to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 "How far along is it anyway ?" 2007 at the earliest. Don't worry about it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why would I worry about it ? I dont have any Bioware stock - Yet :D I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Yeah, no longer independent like Origin Systems were no longer independent when EA took them over and they are just a corpse of their former selves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 "How far along is it anyway ?" 2007 at the earliest. Don't worry about it. "Where are you getting these figures from ? Post a link to a source. " I hate links. I hate sources. But I LOVE to embarass you. LOVE > HATE so.... http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/about/ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Funny your figures dont match those of the source. Never going to happen :D I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Yeah, no longer independent like Origin Systems were no longer independent when EA took them over and they are just a corpse of their former selves. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Leave EA alone they make lots of money. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 And kill good developerment houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child of Flame Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 If Bioware stops making good games I don't buy them. I am capable of that unlike some people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 And kill good developerment houses. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dont think they killed anyone that wasnt already on a downward spiral. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 "Funny your figures dont match those of the source." Funny. Are you blind, being silly for the heck of it, or just plain dumb? I'll let you decide. I wrote: KOTOR sold 2.5 mil copies Source wrote: "STAR WARS: KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC Released on the Xbox in July 2003 and on PC in November 2003 and published by LucasArts, this was the fastest-selling Xbox game in history at the time of its release The game has sold over 2.5 million copies to date (Xbox and PC) and spawned a successful sequel which was launched in Xmas 2004" I wrote NWN sold 3mil copies Source wrote: "NEVERWINTER NIGHTS SERIES Neverwinter Nights continues to sell well, with the compilation product Neverwinter Nights Gold (featuring Neverwinter Nights and the Shadows of Undrentide expansion) released in November 2003. A new compilation, Neverwinter Nights Platinum was released in September 2004, featuring Neverwinter Nights and both commercial expansion packs The game debuted at #1 worldwide at launch. Neverwinter Nights and its two expansions have sold close to 3 million copies worldwide so far" I wrote Bg sold 2.6 mil copies Source wrote: "BALDUR'S GATE SERIES Baldur's Gate, released in 1998 has sold over 2 million units for PC and has won many industry awards; in 1999, BioWare released Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast, a Baldur's Gate expansion pack. It debuted at #1 worldwide and sold over 600,000 units" I wrote BG2 sold 2.5mil copies Source wrote: "BALDUR'S GATE SERIES Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, was released in Sept. 2000 and continued the award winning story line of the Baldur's Gate series, selling over 2 million units so far; in June 2001. Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal was released, the expansion pack to the award winning Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, and the conclusion to the Baldur's Gate series, selling more than 500,000 units" It should be obvious my numbers wer epretty accurate to the source withiut being anal. Stop embarassing. I'll let numbers speak for themselves and let others judge you for the foolishness you are. Game over. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 And kill good developerment houses. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dont think they killed anyone that wasnt already on a downward spiral. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OK DAMN IT! THEY ARE NOT IN A DOWNWARD SPIRAL AND JE WAS NOT A SUCCESS, IT WON'T COME CLOSE TO KOTOR OR NWN IN SALES, BUT IT'S NOT SOME KIND OF MONSTER FAILURE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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