Peter Moore on X360 worldwide release

[mkreku]

Are you retarded?

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But hey, I'm retarded, so **** off. 

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You said it, not me. But for once we agree.

 

End of discussion.

[Epiphany]

That depends.  Onboard video chips that utilize the same memory as the system perform worse than equal memory amounts that are separate on PC boxes.

 

Shared memory isn't always better.

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PC

Console

PC

Console

 

hmmm....

[Judge Hades]

A computer is a computer, regardless what it is used for, Epiphany.

[Epiphany]

A computer is a computer, regardless what it is used for, Epiphany.

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A console isn't a computer, regardless of what people think, Hades_One.

[Judge Hades]

Does it have RAM?

Does it use a CPU?

Does it have an OS?

 

It is a electronic device that does advance math and computations to do its function. It is a computer, just a very specialized computer.

[mkreku]

A console isn't a computer, regardless of what people think, Hades_One.

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Hahaha! How many times can one person be wrong on the same forum? Is this fool trying to set a new world record or something? )

 

Definition of computer:

 

Computer

 

- A programmable device that performs mathematical calculations and logical operations, especially one that can process, store and retrieve large amounts of data very quickly.

 

Now tell me.. which of these criterias does a 'console' not fulfill, Epiphany?

 

You know nothing. NOTHING.

 

Edit: One computer too many..

Edited October 17, 2005 by mkreku

[Judge Hades]

Like I said, a computer is a computer, regardless what you use it for.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

A console is simply a computer built to one standard specification.

 

What seperates it from a PC is you cant simply stick in some new bits when the mood takes you.

[Epiphany]

PC

Console

PC

Console

 

hmmm....

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[alanschu]

A computer is a computer, regardless what it is used for, Epiphany.

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A console isn't a computer, regardless of what people think, Hades_One.

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And I thought the 64-bit numbers gaffe was bad.

 

 

Consoles indeed are computers. I'm curious what you think makes them not computers.....

[Epiphany]

   

 

 

 

And I thought the 64-bit numbers gaffe was bad.

 

 

Consoles indeed are computers.  I'm curious what you think makes them not computers.....

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And I thought you were smart, but I guess we get suprised on a daily basis around here.

[alanschu]

we get suprised on a daily basis around here.

 

WE certainly do. Like when people say this:

 

A console isn't a computer, regardless of what people think

 

You might as well not post anymore, because you literally have no more credibility after that one.

 

First you boondoggle the usefulness of 64-bit processing, and then later comeback and say "I was only talking about benchmarks." Then you basically tell the entire field of Artificial Intelligence research that all the work they're doing on statistical analysis to create more rational agents is nothing more than "choice" decisions. You then ignored my question pertaining to what you thought "logic" was when determining AI (I'm curious how much you really know about AI programming, and I think you started tossing around logic so much that it had begun to lose meaning).

 

I can add another question to that.....how are consoles not computers? And going back a little bit further, what significant differences for computers (or even "PCs") exist over consoles that would make a unified memory architecture (which apparently is infallible for the console) not work for a computer?

[Guest Fishboot]

This is definitely less fun to talk about than KoTOR2 sucking.

Edited October 17, 2005 by Fishboot

[Epiphany]

You might as well not post anymore, because you literally have no more credibility after that one.

 

First you boondoggle the usefulness of 64-bit processing, and then later comeback and say "I was only talking about benchmarks."  Then you basically tell the entire field of Artificial Intelligence research that all the work they're doing on statistical analysis to create more rational agents is nothing more than "choice" decisions.  You then ignored my question pertaining to what you thought "logic" was when determining AI (I'm curious how much you really know about AI programming, and I think you started tossing around logic so much that it had begun to lose meaning).

 

I can add another question to that.....how are consoles not computers?  And going back a little bit further, what significant differences for computers (or even "PCs") exist over consoles that would make a unified memory architecture (which apparently is infallible for the console) not work for a computer?

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PC

Console

PC

Console

 

hmmm....

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[alanschu]

How are consoles and PCs so different that a unified architecture just cannot work on a PC?

 

What was your reasons for the usefulness of 64-bit processing again?

 

What exactly IS logic in AI programming?

 

How are consoles and computers different really that different?

[alanschu]

Awwww, no responses.

 

In any case, the second that Hades said "A computer is a computer" we expanded beyond the scope of merely a "PC"

 

 

Though I think people might get a kick out of this:

 

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2005-02-05

 

[mkreku]

The guy is a joke. And not even a funny one.

 

Just disregard whatever he writes, it's useless anyhow.

 

I almost wish I had voted yes in the ban thread. Too much stupidity in one forum is never good.

[Epiphany]

The guy is a joke. And not even a funny one.

 

Just disregard whatever he writes, it's useless anyhow.

 

I almost wish I had voted yes in the ban thread. Too much stupidity in one forum is never good.

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cry

[mkreku]

A console isn't a computer, regardless of what people think, Hades_One.

Enough said.

[mkreku]

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=6887

 

Dropping predictions from 2.5 million units sold in the first year to 1.5 million.

 

Also, he's calculated that Microsoft is losing $65-90 per Xbox 360 sold. That's bad, but not quite as bad as the PS3, which will apparently lose Sony $94 per unit sold.

[alanschu]

I love GamaSutra.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=6887

 

Dropping predictions from 2.5 million units sold in the first year to 1.5 million.

 

Also, he's calculated that Microsoft is losing $65-90 per Xbox 360 sold. That's bad, but not quite as bad as the PS3, which will apparently lose Sony $94 per unit sold.

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Sony make a lot of their own stuff which keeps the component cost down.

 

One rather hopes that Sony wont be money grubbing and charge

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Just wondering what price is he using for the PS3 ? Since we already know the retail price of the 360, thats clear enough. But if he's actually using the same price for the PS3 I'd call that boardering on miraculous.

[Epiphany]

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=6887

 

Dropping predictions from 2.5 million units sold in the first year to 1.5 million.

 

Also, he's calculated that Microsoft is losing $65-90 per Xbox 360 sold. That's bad, but not quite as bad as the PS3, which will apparently lose Sony $94 per unit sold.

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Analysts also predicted the Sony Playstation would never beat a Nintendo product.

 

Analysts are useless. They know nothing about gaming.

[Judge Hades]

I expect the PS3 will sell around $500 at launch and Sony losing $75 to $100 per unit once you figure manufacturing and shipping costs.