Conspiracies: Are they real?

[jaguars4ever]

Not bad guys and gals - you've kept it together for 17+ pages. Very impressive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it's only a matter of time before you give in to the temptation of bukkake, ninjas and The Hoff. ^_^

[Laozi]

Hoff the Bukkake Ninja

[jaguars4ever]

That's real ULTIMATE power, Laozi.

[alanschu]

I'm sure that's a conspiracy too!

[Laozi]

Sounds like a Stile Project

[11XHooah]

NOOO! My topic will never fall to the bukkake side of the force! Back on topic, check out this site on The New World Order. It's pretty interesting:

 

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/

[alanschu]

Saying it will never turn is pretty much an open invitation.

 

I give the thread 2 days.

[Lord Tingeling]

I hate bukkake. The very fact that it's mentioned in this thread (if only in passing) should cue Fionavar into doing what's Right.

 

Oh, and by the way, I bought AI Love You 3 today. I didn't know that you could program a dragon inside a computer and then use a devious "subroutine" to make it come out of the screen and breathe fire at everything. You learn something new every day, I guess.

 

Sigh. Ken Akamatsu. I even used to like him and his works. <_<

[EnderAndrew]

I say there is a conspiracy to derail this poor thread.

[alanschu]

:ph34r:

[Lord Tingeling]

I say there is a conspiracy to derail this poor thread.

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*A nondescript black van pulls up outside of Ender's house*

[Reveilled]

Let's backup for one second.

 

You don't seem to want to believe the countless people who have broken down the physics and scoff at the Warren Commission's report that there was one shooter.  Fine.

 

Reconcile this.

 

Roscoe White was a Dallas police officer, who fled the scene of the shooting, and while pursued by another officer (who didn't know who he was pursuing) fired a couple shots to get away.  Roscoe White ended up killing a local police officer, and a friend.

 

Source?

 

Roscoe White posed for photographs holding a rifle and communist newspapers.  Those same photographs were later faked to make it appear that it was Oswald.

 

Can I see them?

 

The day of the shooting, Dallas police officers were called off duty, and security was intentionally lessened, despite rumors that Kennedy had pissed everyone off from the mafia, conservatives, and Cuba.

 

Source?

 

A newspaper in Australia reported the shooting 12 hours before it happened, and the FBI was handed a parcel with an orgy of evidence framing Oswald before the shooting ever happened.

 

Which newspaper?

 

An assassin was lined up for Oswald, and everything was covered up within hours.

 

Source?

 

Who in the world would have a boatload of evidence, including the faked photographs of Oswald, and why would they believe he was going to kill the President, and why turn all that in 1 day before the killings?

 

Can I see the boatload of evidence, please?

 

Considering someone had all this evidence, and the FBI had the evidence a day before the shooting, and Roscoe White is somehow involved even if only so much as to pose for those photos, then why was security lessened and no one did anything to protect the President's life?

 

How do you know that it was?

 

And why did Roscoe White then confess to being a shooter?

 

Remind me, when and where did he do this?

 

Add those up for me and tell me that you can honesty believe there was no conspiracy.

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Well, this thread has been rather short on sources. Did we ever see a source or even a diagram of how a bullet had to change direction in mid-air? I've also yet to see evidence for this Roscoe White theory. In fact, when you originally brought up the Roscoe White theory, you linked to a page about it that said "The Roscoe White story is the classic fraud in JFK assassination research, involving forged evidence, an escalating series of lies, and the desire to make a big 'killing.'" At present, no, I don't believe there was a conspiracy. Maybe If I saw this Australian Newspaper, or if I saw these doctored photos and their originals, then I might be convinced.

[EnderAndrew]

There are several books on the subject.

 

Here is the first Google result for Roscoe White, and it sums up quickly the White story.

 

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwhiteR.htm

[Reveilled]

There are several books on the subject.

 

Here is the first Google result for Roscoe White, and it sums up quickly the White story.

 

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwhiteR.htm

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Okay, so Roscoe confessed to being the shooter in a diary that no-one but his son and supposedly the FBI who took the diary has seen?

 

Also, the allegation there that Tippit was the driver who beeped at Oswald's house can't be true, as Tippit was in a record store at the time, according to witnesses there: "At approximately the time Earlene Roberts states this event happened we have at least 2 witnesses at the Top 10 Record Shop that state Tippit was in the shop at that time. Many of the researchers that theorized that Tippit drove by the rooming house and honked the horn were unfamiliar with the Top 10 Record Shop witnesses, or wrote their theories before these interviews were conducted and made available. Using the best information we have at this time it is highly improbable that Tippit performed the horn honking event since he was at a different location 1.2 miles away with a travel time of 6 minutes and a Tippit travel time of three to four minutes." Source

 

It also talks about pictures, but again, I'd like to see these pictures. Surely they're in the public domain, as I'd hate to think that the people who claim to have them are trying to use their theories to make money, rather than making it freely available as you'd expect a researcher to! "

[EnderAndrew]

Why would his wife and son lie and make their father out to be a bastard?

 

I've seen the actual photos of Oswald, and the originals with Roscoe White.

[EnderAndrew]

http://www.jfklancer.com/byphotos.html

[Reveilled]

http://www.jfklancer.com/byphotos.html

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Which one of these shows Roscoe?

 

And there are two very good reasons for White to make his father out to be a bastard: Fame and fortune.

[EnderAndrew]

His boy and his wife both sold him out?

 

Anti-communist hatred was huge, and the entire country stopped to mourn Kennedy. Saying that your dad killed Kennedy wasn't a way to fame and fortune. It was a way to ridicule and persecution.

 

Those photos just show the Oswald versions, but it mentions that White's wife was in possession of some of them. How?

 

I'll see if I can find the originals with White in them. I didn't read the whole article, but most photo-analysists declared the Oswald photos to be faked.

[Reveilled]

His boy and his wife both sold him out?

 

Anti-communist hatred was huge, and the entire country stopped to mourn Kennedy.  Saying that your dad killed Kennedy wasn't a way to fame and fortune.  It was a way to ridicule and persecution.

 

Those photos just show the Oswald versions, but it mentions that White's wife was in possession of some of them.  How?

 

I'll see if I can find the originals with White in them.  I didn't read the whole article, but most photo-analysists declared the Oswald photos to be faked.

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As I understand it, Ricky didn't claim that his father was the assassin until 1990. As to how White's wife came to be in possession of the photo, Ricky claims that there was a break in to the White home in Paris, Texas in 1975 where pictures were stolen, the photos were recaptured, and it is then that Roscoe's wife discovered the photo and turned it over to the FBI. The problem here is that their home wasn't broken into in 1975, or at least, they didn't report it, and no photographs were reported missing in any other burglary. Source. At the very least, something about Ricky's story of the photo doesn't add up.

[EnderAndrew]

I read said article and it said there was a breakin with stuff stolen in 1974 and 1976. Her story was that two con-men conned her out of the photos. It's possible she didn't record that as a breaking and entry.

 

Given that his son passed a lie-detector test, and there is unexplained evidence, you have to atleast consider his story.

 

To this day, no one else has been creditted in any way shape or form with Tippit's death. It is totally unexplained. Tippit was chasing a shooter the government says doesn't exist. So who shot Tippit?

 

You have to admit the possibility exists that the government did attempt to cover this up.

 

You'll also note there is a version of the photo with the person cut out that was in the Dallas PD custody, and there are sites that show the Oswald photo to be clearly faked.

 

Connect the dots.

 

You'll find there is plenty that can't be explained away.

[Reveilled]

I read said article and it said there was a breakin with stuff stolen in 1974 and 1976.  Her story was that two con-men conned her out of the photos.  It's possible she didn't record that as a breaking and entry.

 

Given that his son passed a lie-detector test, and there is unexplained evidence, you have to atleast consider his story.

 

His son passed a lie detector test that was very poorly constructed. From the same article:

"The purpose of the Ricky White polygraph test is also suspect. On November 26, 1990, I called The Integrity Center. This company conducted the polygraph examination of Ricky White. I spoke with the examiner, Billy Wingo. He commented, 'Joe West (a former investigator for the JFK Center) had about twenty questions, but some were duplicates. We threw out the duplicates and re-phrased some, so the questions were set up correctly for the polygraph. In the end there were only fifteen questions. Joe West and I put them together.'

 

'I provided two ex-law enforcement officers, experienced with the administration of polygraph examinations, copies of the exam. Both concluded the questions were poorly framed. The exam was incomplete in that appropriate follow up and "blind" questions were not asked. "It's as if the next question was never asked. Instead of asking Ricky if the FBI took the diary, they asked if he knew where the diary was! I can't consider this a competent exam. It's totally unacceptable.' On February 14, 1991, I recontacted The Integrity Center to requestion Billy Wingo. I was curtly told, 'Wingo no longer works here.' To date I have been unable to contact Mr. Wingo at his last known address."

 

See? There is a conspiracy! The conspiracy theorists (probably in league with the Bavarian Illuminati) are killing off anyone who gets close to the truth.

 

To this day, no one else has been creditted in any way shape or form with Tippit's death.  It is totally unexplained.  Tippit was chasing a shooter the government says doesn't exist.  So who shot Tippit?

 

Anybody could have shot Tippit. I'd see that as good reason to ignore Tippit's shooting in any argument about the Kennedy Assassination, not a good reason to speculate blindly over who did it. No evidence one way or another.

 

You have to admit the possibility exists that the government did attempt to cover this up.

 

You'll also note there is a version of the photo with the person cut out that was in the Dallas PD custody, and there are sites that show the Oswald photo to be clearly faked.

 

Connect the dots.

 

You'll find there is plenty that can't be explained away.

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I admit there is a possibility. However, the fact that so many things which people claim cannot be explained away can be leads me to believe that there is insufficient evidence to support the theory that someone other than Oswald killed Kennedy and so people are making things up. To my admittedly amateur eye, the weight of evidence falls squarely on the side of the conventional story.

[Nur Ab Sal]

Conspiracy theories are crude and childisch way to explain various historical processes. People love such things cause they can blame "secret powers" for their

own failures. From medieval Jews to american Aliens, conspiracy theories prove that humankind is always eager to find a scapegoat.

[EnderAndrew]

Anyone could have shot a Dallas police officer while fleeing from the Kennedy assassination, but surely they have no connection to the Kennedy assassination, and surely there is a good reason why no one was ever implicated in the death of Officer Tippit.

 

That is a huge whole right there.

 

We totally made up Tippit's death. We totally made up that there is evidence that Oswald was framed.

 

We totally made up that Jack Ruby was hired in advance to kill an assassin, and therefore knew the assassination was going to take place.

 

We totally made up the connection between the fradulent photos, Jack Ruby, Roscoe White, and Oswald.

 

We totally made up how Dallas police were called off the scene and that security was lessened.

 

We totally made up how the Dallas police and the FBI decided to completely ignore unexplained facts such as Tippit's death.

 

The intial experts who testified in the Warren commission (put together by the government with no reason to make stuff up for conspiracy nuts) said they believed it was impossible for Oswald to get off three shots in the time frame. The Warren commission also lists how the only way the three shots were justified don't corrolate timing wise with when we can see the shots in the frames of video footage.

 

I say there is credible evidence to suggest conspiracy. Jack Ruby alone suggests conspiracy. I don't understand how people can completely dismiss conspiracy out of hand. I can understand how you're not sold on White being the shooter, but there is something fishy about the whole ordeal.

[EnderAndrew]

According to the Warren Commission report on the John F. Kennedy assassination, Oswald shot Kennedy from a window on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, where he was employed during the Christmas rush, as the President's motorcade passed through Dallas's Dealey Plaza at 12:30 pm on November 22. Texas Governor John Connally was wounded at the same time, along with an assassination witness, James Tague, who was standing some 270 feet (82 m) in front of the presidential limousine. However, critics of this account assert that photographic and filmed evidence indicate that there were at least one or two shooters in an area known as the grassy knoll behind a picket fence atop a small sloping hill in Dealey Plaza, to President Kennedy's right-front. This is because from the 8mm films, it appears that the direction of President Kennedy's body was in a decidedly back and left direction after the shot. However, if the films are viewed frame by frame, it can be seen that there is a sudden, violent forward-motion of the president, inconsistent with anything but a sudden stop of the limo, (which didn't happen) or a rear-ward shot, as from the book depository. Several frames of video after the violent forward motion there is a second, backward motion, consistent with (and indeed could only occur from) a rear shot. This oddity is attributed to the spin's characteristics during such an event. A large portion of brain matter was also projected forward, but some protest that this is not evidence of a rear shot by Oswald....

 

 

A later investigation by the House Select Committee on Assassinations, during the late 1970s, concluded that President Kennedy "most-likely was assassinated as the result of a conspiracy."

[Hildegard]

This is a long read but very much interesting and it makes people think twice about the possible conspiracy, all of those witnesses and people who wanted to get to the truth dying like flies is hardly random and accidental. There were obviously people who wanted them to keep quiet, and those who refused were kept "quiet" - permanently.

 

 

Disappearing Witnesses

by Penn Jones, Jr.

 

 

 

 

Shortly after dark on Sunday night, November 24, 1963, after Ruby had killed Lee Harvey Oswald, a meeting took place in Jack Ruby's apartment in Oak Cliff, a suburb of Dallas, Texas. Five persons were present. George Senator and Attorney Tom Howard were present and having a drink in the apartment when two newsmen arrived. The newsmen were Bill Hunter of the Long Beach California Press Telegram and Jim Koethe of the Dallas Times Herald. Attorney C.A. Droby of Dallas arranged the meeting for the two newsmen, Jim Martin, a close friend of George Senator's, was also present at the apartment meeting.

This writer asked Martin if he thought it was unusual for Senator to forget the meeting while testifying in Washington on April 22, 1964, since Bill Hunter, who was a newsman present at the meeting, was shot to death that very night. Martin grilled and said: "Oh, you're looking for a conspiracy."

 

I nodded yes and he grinned and said, "You will never find it."

 

I asked soberly, "Never find it, or not there?"

 

He added soberly, "Not there."

 

Bill Hunter, a native of Dallas and an award-winning newsman in Long Beach, was on duty and reading a book in the police station called the "Public Safety Building." Two policemen going off duty came into the press room, and one policeman shot Hunter through the heart at a range officially ruled to be "no more than three feet." The policeman said he dropped his gun, and it fired as he picked it up, but the angle of the bullet caused him to change his story. He finally said he was playing a game of quick draw with his fellow officer. The other officer testified he had his back turned when the shooting took place.

 

Hunter, who covered the assassination for his paper, the Long Beach Press Telegram had written:

 

"Within minutes of Ruby's execution of Oswald, before the eyes of millions watching television, at least two Dallas attorneys appeared to talk with him."

 

Hunter was quoting Tom Howard who died of a heart attack in Dallas a few months after Hunter's own death. Lawyer Tom Howard was observed acting strangely to his friends two days before his death. Howard was taken to the hospital by a "friend" according to the newspapers. No autopsy was performed.

 

Dallas Times Herald reporter Jim Koethe was killed by a karate chop to the throat just as he emerged from a shower in his apartment on Sept. 21, 1964. His murderer was not indicted.

 

What went on in that significant meeting in Ruby's and Senator's apartment?

 

Few are left to tell. There is no one in authority to ask the question, since the Warren Commission has made its final report, and the House Select Committee has closed its investigation.

 

Dorothy Kilgallen was another reporter who died strangely and suddenly after her involvement in the Kennedy assassination. Miss Kilgallen is the only journalist who was granted a private interview with Jack Ruby after he killed Lee Harvey Oswald. Judge Joe B. Brown granted the interview during the course of the Ruby trial in Dallas -- to the intense anger of the hundreds of other newspapers present.

 

We will not divulge exactly what Miss Kilgallen did to obtain the interview with Ruby. But Judge Brown bragged about the price paid. Only that was not the real price Miss Kilgallen paid. She gave her life for the interview. Miss Kilgallen stated that she was "going to break this case wide open."

 

She died on November 8, 1965. Her autopsy report took eight days. She was 52 years old. Two days later Mrs. Earl T. Smith, a close friend of Miss Kilgallen's, died of undetermined causes.

 

Tom Howard, who died of a heart attack, was a good friend of District Attorney Henry Wade, although they often opposed each other in court. Howard was close to Ruby and other fringes of the Dallas underworld.

 

Like Ruby, Howard's life revolved around the police station, and it was not surprising when he and Ruby (toting his gun) showed up at the station on the evening of the assassination of President Kennedy. Nor was it unusual when Howard arrived at the jail shortly after Ruby shot Oswald, asking to see his old friend.

 

Howard was shown into a meeting room to see a bewildered Ruby who had not asked for a lawyer. For the next two days -- until Ruby's brother, Earl, soured on him, and had Howard relieved -- he was Jack Ruby's chief attorney and public spokesman.

 

Howard took to the publicity with alacrity, called a press conference, wheeled and dealed. He told newsmen the case was a "once-in-a-lifetime chance," and that "speaking as a private citizen," he thought Ruby deserved a Congressional medal. He told the Houston Post that Ruby had been in the police station Friday night (Nov. 22, 1963) with a gun. Howard dickered with a national magazine for an Oswald murder story. He got hold of a picture showing the President's brains flying out of the car, and tried to sell it to LIFE magazine. Ruby's sister, Eva Grant, even accused Howard of leaking information to the DA. It was never quite clear whether Howard was working for Ruby or against him.

 

On March 27, 1965, Howard was taken to a hospital by an unidentified person and died there. He was 48. The doctor, without benefit of an autopsy, said he had suffered a heart attack. Some reporters and friends of Howard's were not so certain. Some said he was "bumped off."

 

Earlene Roberts was the plump widow who managed the rooming house where Lee Harvey Oswald was living under the name O.H. Lee. She testified before the Warren Commission that she saw Oswald come home around one o'clock, go to his room for three to four minutes and walk out zipping his light weight jacket. A few minutes later, a mile away, officer J.D. Tippit was shot dead.

 

Mrs. Roberts testified that while Oswald was in his room, two uniformed cops pulled up in front of the rooming house and honked twice -- "Just tit tit," she said.

 

The police department issued a report saying all patrol cars in the area, except Tippit's were accounted for. The Warren Commission let it go at that.

 

After testifying in Dallas in April 1964, Mrs. Roberts was subjected to intensive police harassment. They visited her at all hours of the day and night. Earlene complained of being "worried to death" by the police. She died on January 9, 1966 in Parkland Hospital (the hospital where President Kennedy was taken). Police said she suffered a heart attack in her home. No autopsy was performed.

 

Warren Reynolds was minding his used car lot on East Jefferson Street in Oak Cliff in Dallas, when he heard shots two blocks away. He thought it was a marital quarrel. Then he saw a man having a great difficulty tucking "a pistol or an automatic" in his belt, and running at the same time. Reynolds gave chase for a short piece being careful to keep his distance, then lost the fleeing man. He didn't know it then, but he had apparently witnessed the flight of the killer (or one of the killers) of patrolman Jefferson David Tippit. Feeling helpful, he gave his name to a passing policeman and offered his cooperation. Television cameras zeroed in on him, got his story, and made him well known. Warren Reynolds, the amiable used car man, was making history.

 

Reynolds was not questioned until two months after the event. The FBI finally talked to him in January l964. The FBI interview report said, ". . . he was hesitant to definitely identify Oswald as the individual." Then it added, "He advised he is of the opinion Oswald is the person."

 

Two days after Reynolds talked to the FBI, he was shot in the head. He was closing up his car lot for the night at the time. Nothing was stolen. Later after consulting retired General Edwin Walker (the man Oswald allegedly shot at before he assassinated President Kennedy), he told the Warren Commission Counsel that Oswald was definitely the man he saw fleeing the Tippit murder scene.

 

A young hood was arrested for the murder attempt. Darrell Wayne Garner had called a relative bragging that he shot Reynolds. But Garner had an alibi. Nancy Jane Mooney, alias Betty McDonald, said Garner was in bed with her at the time he was supposed to have shot Reynolds. Nancy Jane had worked at Jack Ruby's Carousel Club. Garner was freed.

 

Nancy Jane was picked up a week later for fighting with a girlfriend. She was arrested for disturbing the peace. The girlfriend was not arrested. Within hours after her arrest, Nancy Jane was dead. Police reports said she hanged herself with her toreador pants.

 

Reynolds and his family were harassed and threatened. But upon giving the Warren Commission a firm identification of Oswald as being the Tippit murder fugitive, he said, "I don't think they are going to bother me any more."

 

Hank Killam was a house painter who lived at Mrs. A.C. Johnson's rooming house at the same time Lee Harvey Oswald lived there. His wife, Wanda, once pushed cigarettes and drinks at Jack Ruby's club.

 

Hank was a big man, over six feet and weighing over 200 lbs. After the assassination federal agents visited him repeatedly, causing him to lose one job after another.

 

Killam was absorbed by the assassination, even obsessed. Hours after the event, he came home, "white as a sheet." Wanda said he stayed up all night watching the television accounts of the assassination. Later he bought all the papers and clipped the stories about Kennedy's death.

 

Before Christmas, Killam left for Florida. Wanda confessed where he was. Federal agents hounded him in Tampa, Florida where he was working selling cars at his brother-in-law's car lot. He lost his job.

 

Killam wrote Wanda that he would be sending for her soon. He received a phone call on St. Patrick's day. He left the house immediately. He was found later on a sidewalk in front of a broken window. His jugular vein was cut. He bled to death en route to the hospital.

 

There is no mention of Killam by the Warren Commission. A number of FBI documents on Killam relating to the assassination were withheld, along with documents prepared by the CIA. What is clear is that somebody considered Hank Killam a very important guy.

 

William Whaley was known as the "Oswald Cabbie." He was one of the few who had the opportunity to talk alone with the accused killer of President Kennedy. He testified that Oswald hailed him at the Dallas Greyhound bus station. Whaley said he drove Oswald to the intersection of Beckley and Neches -- half a block from the rooming house -- and collected a dollar. Later he identified Oswald as his fare in a questionable police line-up.

 

Whaley was killed in a head-on collision on a bridge over the Trinity River, December 18, 1965; his passenger was critically injured. The 83-year-old driver of the other car was also killed. Whaley had been with the City Transportation Company since 1936 and had a perfect driving record. He was the first Dallas cabbie to be killed on duty since 1937. When I went to interview the manager of the cab company about Whaley's death, he literally pushed me out of the office. "If you're smart, you won't be coming around here asking questions."

 

Domingo Benavides, an auto mechanic, was witness to the murder of Officer Tippit. Benavides testified he got a "really good view of the slayer." Benavides said the killer resembled newspaper pictures of Oswald, but he described him differently, "I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline went square instead of tapered off . . ."

 

Benavides reported he was repeatedly threatened by the police who advised him not to talk about what he saw.

 

In mid-February 1964, his brother Eddy, who resembled him, was fatally shot in the back of the head at a beer joint on Second Avenue in Dallas. The case was marked "unsolved."

 

Benavides' father-in-law J.W. Jackson was not impressed by the investigation. He began his own inquiry. Two weeks later, J.W. Jackson was shot at in his home. As the gunman escaped, a police car came around the block. It made no attempt to follow the speeding car with the gunman.

 

The police advised that Jackson should "lay off this business." "Don't go around asking questions; that's our job." Jackson and Benavides are both convinced that Eddy's murder was a case of mistaken identity and that Domingo Benavides, the Tippit witness, was the intended victim.

 

Lee Bowers' testimony is perhaps as explosive as any recorded by the Warren Commission. He was one of the 65 witnesses who saw the President's assassination, and who thought shots were fired from the area of the Grassy Knoll. (The Knoll is west of the Texas School Book Depository Building.) But more than that, he was in a unique position to observe some pretty strange behavior in the Knoll area before and during the assassination.

 

Bowers, then a towerman for the Union Terminal Co., was stationed in his 14 foot tower directly behind the Grassy Knoll. He faced the scene of the assassination. He could see the railroad overpass to his right. Directly in front of him was a parking lot and a wooden stockade fence, and a row of trees running along the top of the Grassy Knoll. The Knoll sloped down to the spot on Elm Street where the President was killed. Police had "cut off" traffic into the parking lot. Bowers said, "so that anyone moving around could actually be observed."

 

Bowers made two significant observations which he revealed to the Warren Commission. First, he saw three unfamiliar cars slowly cruising around the parking area in the 35 minutes before the assassination; the first two left after a few minutes. The driver of the second car appeared to be talking into a "mike or telephone;" "he was holding something up to his mouth with one hand and he was driving with the other." A third with out-of-state license plates and mud up to the windows, probed all around the parking area. Bowers last remembered seeing it about eight minutes before the shooting, pausing "just above the assassination site."

 

Bowers also observed two unfamiliar men standing on the top of the Knoll at the edge of the parking lot, within 10 or 15 feet of each other. "One man, middle aged or slightly older, fairly heavy set, in a white shirt, fairly dark trousers. Another man, younger, about mid-twenties, in either a plaid shirt or plaid coat or jacket." Both were facing toward Elm and Houston in anticipation of the motorcade. The two were the only strangers he remembered seeing. His description shows a remarkable similarity to Julia Ann Mercer's description of two unidentified men climbing the Knoll.

 

When the shots rang out, Bowers' attention was drawn to the area where he had seen the two men; he could still make out the one in the white shirt: "The darker dressed man was too hard to distinguish from the trees."

 

Bowers observed "some commotion at that spot . . . something out of the ordinary, a sort of milling around . . . which attracted my eye for some reason which I could not identify." At that moment, a motorcycle policeman left the Presidential motorcade and roared up the Grassy Knoll, straight to where the two mysterious gentlemen were standing. Later, Bowers testified that the "commotion" that caught his eye may have been a "flash of light or smoke."

 

On the morning of August 9, 1966, Lee Bowers, vice president of a construction firm, was driving south of Dallas on business. He was two miles south of Midlothian, Texas when his brand new company car veered from the road and hit a bridge abutment. A farmer who saw it, said the car was going about 50 miles an hour, a slow speed for that road.

 

Bowers died in a Dallas hospital. He was 41. There was no autopsy and he was cremated. A doctor from Midlothian who rode to Dallas in the ambulance with Bowers noticed something peculiar about the victim. "He was in some strange sort of shock." The doctor said, "A different kind of shock than the accident victim experiences. I can't explain it. I've never seen anything like it."

 

When I questioned his widow, she insisted there was nothing suspicious, but then became flustered and said, "They told him not to talk."

 

Harold Russell was with Warren Reynolds when the Tippit shooting took place. Both men saw the Tippit killer escape. Russell was interviewed in January 1964, and signed a statement that the fleeing man was Oswald.

 

A few months after the assassination, Russell went back to his home near David, Oklahoma. In July of 1965, Russell went to a party with a female friend. He seemingly went out of his mind at the party and started telling everyone he was going to be killed. He begged friends to hide him. Someone called the police. When the policemen arrived, one of them hit Russell on the head with his pistol. Russell was then taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead a few hours later: cause of death was listed as "heart failure."

 

Among others who died strangely were James Worrell, who died in a motorcycle accident on November 9, 1966. He saw a strange man run from the back door of the Texas School Book Depository shortly after the assassination.

 

Gary Underhill was shot. This death was ruled suicide on May 8, 1964. Underhill was a former CIA agent and claimed he knew who was responsible for killing President Kennedy.

 

Delilah Walle was a worker at Ruby's club. She was married only 24 days when her new husband shot her. She had been working on a book of what she supposedly knew about the assassination.

 

William "Bill" Waters died May 20, 1967. Police said he died of a drug overdose (demorol). No autopsy was performed. His mother said Oswald and Killam came to her home before the assassination and her son tried to talk Oswald and Killam out of being involved. Waters called FBI agents after the assassination. The FBI told him he knew too much and to keep his mouth shut. He was arrested and kept in Memphis in a county jail for eight months on a misdemeanor charge.

 

Albert Guy Bogard, an automobile salesman who worked for Downtown Lincoln-Mercury, showed a new Mercury to a man using the name "Lee Oswald." Shortly after Bogard gave his testimony to a Commission attorney in Dallas, he was badly beaten and had to be hospitalized. Upon his release, he was fearful for his safety. Bogard was from Hallsville, La. He was found dead in his car at the Hallsville Cemetery on St. Valentines day in 1966. A rubber hose was attached to the exhaust and the other end extending into the car. The ruling was suicide. He was just 41 years old.

 

Jack Ruby died of cancer. He was taken into the hospital with pneumonia. Twenty-eight days later, he was dead from cancer.

 

David Ferrie, of New Orleans, before he could be brought to trial for his involvement in the Kennedy assassination, died of a brain hemorrhage. Just what caused his brain hemorrhage has not been established. Ferrie was to testify in the famous Jim Garrison trial, but death prevented him.

 

Dr. Mary Stults Sherman, age 51, was found stabbed and burned in her apartment in New Orleans. Dr. Sherman had been working on a cancer experiment with Ferrie.

 

Another Ferrie associate, Eladio Cerefine de Valle, 43, died on the same day as Ferrie. His skull was split open; he was then shot. DeValle had used Ferrie as a pilot. DeValle had been identifying some men in a photo taken in New Orleans for Jim Garrison. One of the men in the photo was Lee Harvey Oswald.

 

Paul Dyer, of the New Orleans Police force, died of cancer. He was the first police officer to interview Ferrie. Dyer got sick on the job and died a month later of cancer. He had just interviewed David Ferrie.

 

News reporters were not exempt either. Two lady reporters died strangely. Lisa Howard supposedly committed suicide. She knew a great deal about the "understanding" which was in the making after the Bay of Pigs, between President Kennedy and the Cubans.

 

Marguerite Higgins bluntly accused the American authorities of the November 2nd, 1963 killing of Premier Diem and his brother Nhu. A few months after her accusation, she died in a landmine explosion in Vietnam.

 

On Saturday, November 23, 1963, Jack Zangetty, the manager of a $150,000 modular motel complex near Lake Lugert, Oklahoma, remarked to some friends that "Three other men -- not Oswald -- killed the President." He also stated that "A man named Ruby will kill Oswald tomorrow and in a few days a member of the Frank Sinatra family will be kidnapped just to take some of the attention away from the assassination."

 

Two weeks later, Jack Zangetty was found floating in Lake Lugert with bullet holes in his chest. It appeared to witnesses he had been in the water one to two weeks.

 

Lou Staples, a radio announcer who was doing a good many of his radio shows on the Kennedy assassination, lost his life sometime on Friday night, May 13, 1977. This was near Yukon, Oklahoma. He had been having radio shows on the assassination since 1973 and the response to his programs was overwhelming.

 

Lou's death was termed suicide, but the bullet ending his life entered behind his right temple and Lou was left-handed. He joined Gary Underhill, William Pitzer and Joe Cooper whose "suicides" were all done with the "wrong hand" shots to the head.

 

Lou had been stating that he wanted to purchase some property to build a home. He was lured out to a wheat field and his life ended there. I have been to the spot where Lou died.

 

Karyn Kupcinet, daughter of Irv Kupcinet, was trying to make a long distance call from Los Angeles. According to reports, the operator heard Miss Kupcinet scream into the phone that President Kennedy was going to be killed. Two days after the assassination, she was found murdered in her apartment. The case is unsolved. She was 23.

 

Rose Cherami, 40, was an employee of Jack Ruby's club. She was riding with two men on a return trip from Florida carrying a load of narcotics. She was thrown from the car when an argument began between her and one of the men. She was hospitalized for injuries and drug withdrawal. She told authorities that President Kennedy was going to be killed in Dallas. After her release from the hospital, she was a victim of a hit-and-run accident on Sept. 4, 1965 near Big Sandy, Texas.

 

Robert L. Perrin was a gun runner for Jack Ruby. His wife, Nancy testified before the Warren Commission that Robert took a dose of arsenic in August 1962.

 

Guy Bannister was a private detective who was closely involved in the Jim Garrison trial. Guy and his partner Hugh Ward, died within a 10-day period as the Warren Commission was closing its hearings. Guy supposedly died of a heart attack, but witnesses said he had a bullet hole in his body.

 

George de Mohrenschildt was another man who was to give testimony but never made it. De Mohrenschildt, in his final days, became suspicious of everyone around him, even his wife, and was nearing a nervous breakdown some thought. He died of gunshot wounds. The verdict was suicide. But de Mohrenschildt was a member of the White Russian society and very wealthy. He visited Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald when they lived on Neely Street. Marina visited the de Mohrenschildts when she and Lee Harvey Oswald were having some of their disagreements.

 

Cliff Carter, LBJ's aide who rode in the vice president's follow up car in the motorcade in Dealey Plaza where President Kennedy was gunned down, was LBJ's top aide during his first administration. Carter died of mysterious circumstances. Carter died of pneumonia when no penicillin could be located in Washington, D.C. in September 1971. This was supposedly the cause of death.

 

Buddy Walthers, Deputy Sheriff, was at the kill site of President Kennedy. He picked up a bullet in a hunk of brain matter blown from the President's head. Walthers never produced the bullet for evidence. Walthers was also at the Texas Theater when Oswald was arrested. In a January 10th, 1969 shooting, Walthers was shot through the heart. In a shootout Walthers and his companion Deputy Alvin Maddox, were fired upon by Cherry, an escaped prisoner they were trying to capture. Walthers' widow received $10,000 for her husband dying in the line of duty.

 

Clay Shaw, age 60, died five years after he was charged by Jim Garrison for his involvement in the Kennedy assassination. Some reports have it that he had been ill for months after surgery for removing a blood clot. Other newspaper reports of his death stated he had cancer. It was revealed that Shaw was a paid contact for the CIA. A neighbor reported that an ambulance was seen pulling up to the Shaw home. Then a body was carried in and an empty stretcher brought out. A few hours later, Shaw was reportedly found dead in his home. Then he was given a quick embalming before a coroner could be notified. It was then impossible to determine the cause of death.

 

On May 15, 1976, Roger Dean Craig died of a massive gunshot wound to the chest. Supposedly, it was his second try at suicide and a success. Craig was a witness to the slaughter of President Kennedy. Only Craig's story was different from the one the police told.

 

Craig testified in the Jim Garrison trial. Before this, Craig had lost his job with the Dallas Police Dept. In 1961, he had been "Man of the Year." Because he would not change his story of the assassination, he was harassed and threatened, stabbed, shot at, and his wife left him.

 

Craig wrote two manuscripts of what he witnessed. When They Kill A President and The Patient Is Dying.

 

Craig's father was out mowing the lawn when Craig supposedly shot himself. Considering the hardships, Craig very well could have committed suicide. But no one will ever know.

 

John M. Crawford, 46, died in a mysterious plane crash near Huntsville, Texas on April 15, 1969. It appeared from witnesses that Crawford had left in a rush. Crawford was a homosexual and a close friend of Jack Ruby's. Ruby supposedly carried Crawford's phone number in his pocket at all times. Crawford was also a friend of Buell Wesley Frazier's, the neighbor who took Lee Harvey Oswald to work on that fatal morning of Nov. 22, 1963.

 

Hale Boggs was the only member of the Warren Commission who disagreed with the conclusions. Hale Boggs did not follow Earl Warren and his disciples. He totally disagreed. Hale Boggs was in a plane crash lost over frozen Alaska.

 

Nicholas J. Chetta, M.D., age 50, Orleans Parish coroner since 1950, died at Mercy Hospital on May 25, 1968. Newspaper reports were sketchy. It was said he suffered a heart attack. Dr. Chetta was the coroner who served at the death of David Ferrie. Dr. Chetta was the key witness regarding Perry Russo against Clay Shaw. Shaw's attorney went into federal court only after Dr. Chetta was dead.

 

Dr. Martin Luther King was murdered, then his assassin not captured until over a year later. Dr. King was the only hope this country had for bringing about equality.

 

The death of Robert Kennedy, only shortly after Dr. King's death on June 5th, 1968, was a brazen act which gave notice to this entire nation. It became imperative, when Senator Kennedy became a threat as presidential candidate, that he had to be killed.

 

There is evidence that two persons, a man and a woman, were with the accused killer, but authorities have found no trace of them. Coroner, Dr. Thomas Noguchi told the Grand Jury the powder burns indicated the murder gun was fired not more than two to three inches from Kennedy's right ear. Witnesses testified that Sirhan was never closer than four or five feet to the Senator.

 

I have not, by any means, listed "all" of the strange deaths. I have a complete list in my books. I have listed the most significant ones that occurred after the assassination. The strange deaths after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, in my estimate, number over 100, but I am certain I know of only a fraction.

 

Many strange deaths occurred after the assassinations of Dr. Martin Luther King and Senator Robert F. Kennedy. No one knows the exact number.