Age of char in k1 and k2

[Weaponmaster303]

No bastila is about 28 in k2 but ofcourse im going by some timeline.And i do believe revan is a child prodigy. While there isnt info to support that there isnt any info to unsupport it.No jedi could be that powerful without it being felt at a young age.Im still going to keep arguin that revan is younger than the exile and is in his late twenties lol but we all have our opinions.

[Sentry]

Ya, you could be right about Bastilla, but who knows?

 

A lot of people have not read the Chronicles, so i'm posting the relevant sections here for reference:

Part IX: Darth Revan Rising

Time frame: 3,963 B.B.Y.

Period name: Knights of the Old Republic

 

It is a period of turmoil in the Galaxy. The fierce Mandalorian warrior race begins the MANDALORIAN WAR by viciously and simultaneously attacking three quadrants of Republic space. As the battle rages on, Jedi Master REVAN moves surreptitiously between unknown sectors, scouting for potential strongholds to withstand the attacks. He soon discovers the shadowy Malachor V, a planet listed by Mandalorian scholars as "forbidden" to step foot on. The reason for this soon becomes clear as Revan is almost devoured by primal Sith forces on the world's surface. Revan's will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side. Revan develops an evil but brilliant plan: Using the dark power of Malachor V, he will seduce an army of Jedi, completely loyal to him alone. He will then turn the planet's evil power against the Mandalorian army in battle, luring them to his stronghold and destroying them completely. A stronghold is immediately constructed.

 

Meanwhile on Dantooine, the small Jedi academy overseen by Master Vodo-Siosk Baas is shocked to learn that a lone Jedi Padawan has disobeyed a direct order from Jedi Master ATRIS, a prominent Jedi on the Council. This single student has left behind the relative safety of the training grounds to fight alongside the Jedi loyal to Master Revan. But this young one, like the other Jedi brethren, is unaware of the tremendous dark side power wielded by Revan and the terrible secrets of Malachor V. Revan's power continues to grow, and he secretly strengthens his stronghold, hiding it even from his apprentice, DARTH MALAK. Soon, the evil force infecting the planet became the FORGE for Darth Revan's shock troops; the feared SITH ASSASSINS - fallen Jedi, tempted and cajoled by the evil of Malachor V, and under Revan's evil command. Soon, a shadow academy to the one on Korriban is constructed; and an evil enclave mirroring the Jedi academy on Dantooine is complete.

 

 

Part X: Proving Grounds

Time frame: 3,961 - 3,956 B.B.Y.

Period name: Knights of the Old Republic

 

It is a period of tumult and astuteness for the galaxy's most powerful entities, as the Mandalorian conflict culminates. The Jedi, fighting alongside the Republic and their finest tactical minds, such as Admiral SAUL KARATH aboard his flagship Leviathan, begin to force the fierce Mandalorians back into a retreat. The rout of the Mandalorians reaches a crescendo above the skies of Malachor V. Unbeknownst to the Jedi Order, DARTH REVAN has discovered numerous Sith artifacts and holocrons, all stored in great tomb-like cities buried beneath Malachor V's surface. As Revan plundered these tombs and relics, he fell deeper into the Dark Side. He learned of the location and the true nature of Korriban, he learned of the location of other Sith artifacts, and he learned how those strong in the light side of the Force could be seduced and made to see the strength inherent in the Sith teachings.

 

Revan knew he had discovered more than a staging area for the Mandalorian War - he had discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. He had discovered a world that held one purpose - to teach and train others in the ways of the Sith. He had discovered a weapon that he could use against the Mandalorians, and a weapon by which he could convert more Jedi to his cause. This process of "turning" Jedi into SITH ASSASSINS continued even as the Jedi Council hailed Revan as a hero, as he lead the Republic forces to victory over the Mandalorians in the skies above Malachor V, and forces them to surrender. Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence.

 

A lone Jedi Knight, who had journeyed earlier to fight alongside Revan, forsakes him after the surrender of the Mandalorians - and the apparent loss of the Knight's connection to the Force during the battle - and journeys back to the Old Republic, determined not to fight any longer. The Knight is exiled by the Jedi Order, and the Knight's lightsaber is removed. Meanwhile, Darth Revan and his apprentice, DARTH MALAK, return from the Mandalorian War with a new fleet, comprising many previously loyal Republic soldiers and commanders, and a systematic and lethal attack begins. In tandem with the attacks of his fleet, Revan orders his SITH ASSASSINS to ratchet up the frequency and brutality of their swift attack strikes. The period of history known as the Old Republic Insurrection begins.

 

In disarray, the Jedi Council quickly gathers a small band of Jedi warriors together under the command of Jedi BASTILA SHAN with an imperative and almost suicidal mission; to capture Darth Revan, demoralize his troops, and strangle the insurrection. Setting a trap against a small Republic fleet, a small Jedi strike force boards Revan's ship, battling the Dark Lord into submission. Rather than helping his Master, DARTH MALAK lets the Jedi drag Revan from the throne after attempting a mind-wipe which was only partially successful. Returning to the Council with a comatose Revan, Jedi Masters healed Revan's mind, and implanted a loyal Republic personality.

 

 

Part XI: Knights of the Old Republic

Time frame: 3,956 B.B.Y.

Period name: Knights of the Old Republic

 

The Republic verges on collapse. DARTH MALAK, last surviving apprentice of Dark Lord Revan, has unleashed an invincible Sith armada upon an unsuspecting galaxy. Crushing all resistance, Malak's war of conquest has left the Jedi Order scattered and vulnerable as countless Knights fall in battle and many more swear allegiance to their new Sith Master. In the skies above the Outer Rim world of Taris, a Jedi battle fleet engages the forces of Darth Malak in a desperate effort to halt the Sith's galactic domination. During the battle, one of the crippled space craft jettisons Jedi BASTILA SHAN, after fighting valiantly against a boarding party including Malak's new apprentice, DARTH BANDON. Her escape pod is located in the Undercity of Taris by a human suffering from amnesia, Mandalorian Wars hero CARTH ONASI, a Twi'Lek scoundrel and native of Taris, MISSION VAO, and her Wookiee companion, ZAALBAR. Seeking refuge, the legendary smuggling ship EBON HAWK is appropriated from Taris underworld boss Davik Kang, and piloted to the Jedi Enclave of DANTOOINE. Soon afterwards, the human amnesiac begins to exhibit impressive use of the Force, and is trained by Jedi Master ZHAR LESTIN.

 

After a number of dangerous and foolhardy missions throughout the galaxy in search of cartographical tools known as Star Maps, the members of this small alliance are detected and detained on the gigantic Interdictor-class Star Cruiser Flagship LEVIATHAN under the command of Admiral SAUL KARATH. Karath was a pivotal Republic figure only five years previously, winning victories over the Mandalorians, but recently declared the Republic not worthy of his support. After an impressive display of guile, the alliance was released from the ship's brig, and attempted a full-scale assault of the bridge, fatally wounding Karath. During the escape, however, Bastila and the amnesiac Jedi Knight are waylaid by the appearance of DARTH MALAK, who reveals that the Knight is in fact DARTH REVAN, his old Master. Escaping to the UNKNOWN WORLD of the Rakata, Bastila turns on Revan, and after a climactic battle, Revan learns of Malak's plan to harness a nearby sun using an ancient Rakata space station known as the STAR FORGE, and use this energy to increase production of his Sith forces. Revan vows to slay his ex-apprentice before Malak's power becomes too great.

 

 

Part XII: The Feeding of Malachor V

Time frame: 3,955 - 3,953 B.B.Y.

Period name: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords

 

It is a period of uncertainty across the galaxy. After a long and vicious battle in the deepest area of the STAR FORGE, Dark Lord of the Sith DARTH REVAN succeeds in destroying his ex-apprentice DARTH MALAK. After recovering from the duel, Revan seeks out the secret dark outposts he established during the Mandalorian War. Journeying to the Outer Rim in the EBON HAWK, Revan is focused with a single purpose: locating the source of the dark power on MALACHOR V. Those awaiting Revan's arrival, including members of the Sith and the Jedi, are shocked when he fails to return from this pilgrimage. It is unknown whether Revan destroyed or resurrected the primal Sith forces on this forbidden planetoid.

 

The turmoil of the previous decade has had a detrimental effect on the surviving members of the Jedi Order. Disillusionment and despair persists in the wake of the war both throughout the Old Republic, and within the Jedi Order itself. Furthering exacerbating the malaise is the corruption of Darth Revan and Darth Malak, and the untold harm their actions had brought to the Republic. These three reasons were cited by many the impetus for the disbanding of the Jedi. While the Jedi mull over their troubles, the battle-hardened Mandalorian hero CANDEROUS ORDO returns to the homeworld of DXUN, seeking to rebuild his clan, and find a new purpose in the galaxy. Through prowess and cunning, he rises to eventually become Mandalore.

 

JEDI MASTER KREIA, Revan's old mentor, is still haunted by guilt, wondering whether it was her teaching that resulted in Revan's fall to the dark side, and begins to search for him. Sensing his last location, she travels to Malachor V, but is unable to shield her emotions, and is completely consumed by the dark side of the Force. She is lost to the Jedi, spending the next several years on Malachor V, learning its secrets, and eventually becoming The master of the Sith academy there. Guided by Kreia's influence, Sith assassins once again begin to emerge silently from Malachor V and strike at isolated Jedi across the Republic, capturing some Jedi to turn to the dark side, and slaying those that resist. Taken to the dark side world of Malachor V to be fed to the planet's dark energies, these Jedi husks create even more assassins and DARK JEDI, feeding the planet's hunger.

 

 

Part XIII: Ascension of the Sith

Time frame: 3,953 - 3,951 B.B.Y.

Period name: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords

 

It is the beginning of the Jedi's decline throughout the Galaxy. Individual Jedi begin to leave the Jedi Order, and the Jedi Watchmen of many systems, disenchanted with the endless, pointless struggles, step down and exile themselves in unknown quadrants of the galaxy, echoing the disillusionment of Jedi Master JOLEE BINDO. These are referred to by scribes of the time as the LOST JEDI. With their numbers already thinned by the war with DARTH MALAK, the Jedi Order is reduced to less than one hundred surviving Jedi Knights. As the numbers of Jedi continue to dwindle, the remaining practitioners of the light side of the Force believe the Lost Jedi to have forsaken the Order, but in fact, many of them are victims of Sith Assassins, or are being captured and imprisoned on the dark side world of MALACHOR V, waiting to be converted to the dark side of the Force. Under the watchful gaze of a corrupted Jedi KREIA, many of these Jedi die, but some are converted.

 

Coming to the realization that they are being targeted by a hidden and insidious adversary, the Jedi Order scatter, going to ground in an attempt to draw out the attackers. To all intents and purposes, the Jedi Order disbands, and renounces the Old Republic. One of the Order, JEDI MASTER ATRIS, gives in to her frustration and the collapse of the Jedi Order, and begins to delve into Sith holocrons to attempt to determine the nature of the threat facing the Jedi. Attempting to summon the remaining Jedi she has kept contact with, Atris attempts to call a Jedi Conclave under the strict agreement of secrecy on a Midrim world. She struggles to comprehend her actions as the Conclave is interrupted when every single Jedi attending vanishes without a trace. It is later discovered that all of them were savagely culled by Dark Side Sith Assassins under the command of DARTH NIHILUS. Unknown to the rest of the Jedi, Atris secretly leaked knowledge of the Jedi attending the Conclave in the hopes that the enemy would reveal themselves. However, the results were worse than Atris could have possibly imagined.

[Weaponmaster303]

Ive read em already lol but thanks either way its good to refresh the memory.You know you could be right or i could be right it seems kotor leaves things about sex and age up in the air for the player to decide.

[Calax]

yep seem's to but most of the models are for people in their twenty's and thirty's the same age group that play's this it seems

[darknesslord]

bastila is about 20 at the time of kotor 1, she lead the strike team because she can use the battle meditation

[Sentry]

bastila is about 20 at the time of kotor 1, she lead the strike team because she can use the battle meditation

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Sources? Or wishful thinking?

Almost no one achieves the rank of Jedi Knight that young...

 

PS: Here is a very similar thread: link

Edited June 23, 2005 by Sentry

[Calax]

it is acknoleged that she is very very young to be a jedi knight and it shows. but this is a time of war and in times of war it is not uncommon to have young people fufilling roles that you normally expect sombody older to fufill. She's the same age as anakin and he was a jedi knight

[destinasi]

Agreed. Bastila can be a Knight at 19 and lead the strike team as a Jedi. But I cannot accept the Exile being a General in his early 20's. It's not just a title. It's an acknowledgement of military experience. Somebody said Han Solo being a General. Yes, but he was in his mid or late 30's in Episode IV.

[Marka Ragnos]

well the person is pretty much dead. His neural pathways were put into the droid. Thus he is the droid, as such he is only a month old.

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gah! there was never a goto person only the droid.

[Weaponmaster303]

Yup goto was just a droid with human mind lol. I agree and thats why im trying to say revan could of also been a young knight .The battle of exar kun left the jedi with few knights and masters then came the mandalorian wars where some jedi left even before revan began his path to the war.But without a set date of revans birth all thats going to happen is arguing.

[mrchallenge]

This is definitely one of the better topics on the board. And an interesting debate. I like the way how everybody's discussing their differences in opinions in a diplomatic and intelligent manner.

[Weaponmaster303]

Ive been thinking a little bit more about the age thing and im still leaning towards late teens or eary 20's on revans age. Not because of the titles or anything like that but the attitude people have at certain ages. Both malak and revan were headstrong and unwilling to listen to the council sounds like a bunch of teens or college students lol on the other hand the exile realizes in k2 he should of paid more attention.

 

Yea we try to keep it w/o saying anythin offensive,discussions are better that way.

[Sentry]

This is definitely one of the better topics on the board. And an interesting debate. I like the way how everybody's discussing their differences in opinions in a diplomatic and intelligent manner.

Ya, lets keep it alive

 

I know there are several older threads that are about this topic, but they where not very interesting to tell the truth... Just a bunch of fights stringed together.

 

I'm bored, so I figured that I would throw this out there...

 

How old do you think Atris is? Do you think she has white hair because she is old? Could it be that she is an Echani like Brianna and her sisters?

 

I would guess that she is ~40 based on her attitued, but based on her appearance she looks like she is 50 or more...

[SteveThaiBinh]

If you're playing as a male Exile, there's a possibility that there was some romantic attachment, in Atris' mind at least. So probably not much older than the Exile (however old he is).

[Sentry]

Ya, but she is a member of the Jedi council and according to the Chronicles she has been on the council since before the Jedi took part in the Mandalorian wars...

 

So she would have to be significantly older than the Exile unless the Jedi promotion ladder has really gone haywire

[SteveThaiBinh]

Is promotion by age or merit? Maybe she sucked up to the Jedi Council and they let her on early - she looks the type. I didn't get the feeling in the game that she was old, so the white hair may be something else. Could she be Echani (if that's a racial group)? Or part-Echani? Maybe she dyes it to emphasise her purity.

[Sentry]

Is promotion by age or merit?  Maybe she sucked up to the Jedi Council and they let her on early - she looks the type.  I didn't get the feeling in the game that she was old, so the white hair may be something else.  Could she be Echani (if that's a racial group)?  Or part-Echani?  Maybe she dyes it to emphasise her purity.

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Ya, she seems like a bookish, brown noser type...

I wish they hadn't changed her appearance... Those early concept pics of her where much more... er... ineresting

 

PS: For that matter, i'm not sure why handmaiden and her sisters have white hair. The echani in KOTOR did not have it...

Maybe they all got a little drunk one night and decided to bleach it? :D

[Weaponmaster303]

Ive only seen echani men and maybe only woman have the white hair but i dunno.The way atris looks in k2 just makes her look like late thirties but her character makes her look like a teenager jealous of her peers.Lets also remember she didnt take the spot in the council until kriea was exiled becus of revans supposed downfall.

[LordRahl33]

I agree about the exile's age but revan was young not 30 something. Revan is bastila's age going by the timeline. Nobody is going to be 30 and still be a padawan unless you are a really bad jedi which revan wasnt.Revan was young when he went to war look at the kotor site and look what it says about malak he was a young headstrong jedi who went to war during the mandalorian wars.

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I think that Revna was the senior to the exile. I think that he was also alittle older than bastila, but bastila would've been the exile's age I think.

[LordRahl33]

the exile was never a padawan under atris so thats wrong. No the exile is way older than revan.from what ive heard revan is young and ive also heard it from some of the people on bioware boards though. I need to check out a safe timeline but cant find one. Plus didnt anakin turn knight like around 19-23 or something.Look heres why I believe revan is younger than exile and about in his 20's.

 

First about the exile being older,he was looked up to by atris,loved by atris,and respected by atris.Atris never trained him like the chronicles say he was never trained by atris and also atris never had a padawan.

 

 

 

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I think that the Exile may have been close to achieving the rank of master before he/she left for the war. Based on the way that atris looks up to the exile in a way. And also based on the way that the Disciple looked up to the Exile.

[Weaponmaster303]

Im still not convinced that the exile is younger than the exile.Revan is in my opinion younger not by character models but by how can i put the character you get out of the written chronicles.Revan just sounds headstrong and in some cases stubborn as does malak which is usually a case of immaturity leading me to believe they were quite young in the war.

 

Exile on the other hand just sounds much more how can i say it mature to some degree.I remember this one convo with bao where bao talks about the mass g going on and the exile just with a look on his face that makes him sound responsible.

 

So I basically believe Revan mid to late twenties and exile late twenties to early thirties.Course thats my opinion and w/o a timeline thats what they shall remain.

[LordRahl33]

Im still not convinced that the exile is younger than the exile.Revan is in my opinion younger not by character models but by how can i put the character you get out of the written chronicles.Revan just sounds headstrong and in some cases stubborn as does malak which is usually a case of immaturity leading me to believe they were quite young in the war.

 

Exile on the other hand just sounds much more how can i say it mature to some degree.I remember this one convo with bao where bao talks about the mass g going on and the exile just with a look on his face that makes him sound responsible.

 

So I basically believe Revan mid to late twenties and exile late twenties to early thirties.Course thats my opinion and w/o a timeline thats what they shall remain.

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I have to Agree with you. I agree with the thing about maturity, I think that It takes a person with alot of wisdom to take a step away from the war and actually turn away from it. Whereas Revan went to the War based on an eagerness and impatience, it seemed that the Exile went to War because of a real, educated decision that was based on serious thought, not just youthful eagerness. The way that both Atris and Disciple look up or Respect The Exile shows that the wisdom was there before the Exile actually WENT into Exile.

[Weaponmaster303]

Thanks for giving my opinion a shot. I think it makes sense character personality tells you alot about age so yea lol.

[LordRahl33]

Thanks for giving my opinion a shot. I think it makes sense character personality tells you alot about age so yea lol.

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No problem. Thats what friends are for. And since you are a weapons =master, not a DIRTY SITH SCOURGE OF THE UNIVERSE, you are my friend. haha, no offense to all you dark side subscribers out there. "

[Weaponmaster303]

So what other characters are there doubts about.