E_Motion Posted June 3, 2005 Posted June 3, 2005 The problem with the last of the "known" Jedi explanation is that it isn't consistent with the dialog in the game. Visas tells the Exile that the Sith believe the Exile to be "the last of the Jedi". The Exile also tells Atrias (first encounter) that the Sith believe Exile to be be the last of the Jedi; Atrias replies that SHE is the last of the Jedi (Atrias' assertion would make little, if any, sense if the issue were "known" Jedi as opposed to hidden Jedi). The proposition that the Exile was the "last of the Jedi" was clearly a ruse instigated by Atrias and/or Kreia to draw out the Sith, using the Exile as bait.
GhostofAnakin Posted June 3, 2005 Posted June 3, 2005 The problem with the last of the "known" Jedi explanation is that it isn't consistent with the dialog in the game. Visas tells the Exile that the Sith believe the Exile to be "the last of the Jedi". The Exile also tells Atrias (first encounter) that the Sith believe Exile to be be the last of the Jedi; Atrias replies that SHE is the last of the Jedi (Atrias' assertion would make little, if any, sense if the issue were "known" Jedi as opposed to hidden Jedi). The proposition that the Exile was the "last of the Jedi" was clearly a ruse instigated by Atrias and/or Kreia to draw out the Sith, using the Exile as bait. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That still doesn't invalidate the "known" part. As far as those people you mentioned are concerned, the Exile is the last Jedi. Just because they believe it to be the case, doesn't mean it is. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
E_Motion Posted June 3, 2005 Posted June 3, 2005 That still doesn't invalidate the "known" part. As far as those people you mentioned are concerned, the Exile is the last Jedi. Just because they believe it to be the case, doesn't mean it is. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So where in the game is there any actual support that would validate your "last of the known Jedi" theory?
GhostofAnakin Posted June 3, 2005 Posted June 3, 2005 So where in the game is there any actual support that would validate your "last of the known Jedi" theory? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Um? The entire GAME validates it. Common sense validates it. The fact that everyone BELIEVES you're the last Jedi, but then coupled with the fact you're NOT the last Jedi proves it. The statement "the last Jedi" implies FACT that there are no other Jedi lurking anywhere. The statement "the last known Jedi" implies that as far as the people you talk to are concerned, you're the last one. But that in reality, you might not be. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
Epicenter Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 That still doesn't invalidate the "known" part. As far as those people you mentioned are concerned, the Exile is the last Jedi. Just because they believe it to be the case, doesn't mean it is. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So where in the game is there any actual support that would validate your "last of the known Jedi" theory? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, recall the whole dialogue in the Peragus fuelling base you have with one of the HK-50s? Recall how the information about you was spilled from the Coreward Databases to pretty much anyone who was vaguely interested in Jedi-matters by the HK-50s to flush you out. Everyone knows about you because Goto was trying to flush you out for the HK-50s to seize and bring to NS. For the record though, I thought Bastila walking around was pretty strange as a LSer, though.
wannabealoser125 Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 Uhhhh, I dont remember seening her unless I said Revan was DS. Do you have to say that Revan was LS M? And where do you see her, I must have missed something...
E_Motion Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 After the Ravenger mission, as you return with Visas, a soldier stops you and tells you that Admiral Onasis wants to meet privately with you - you have a discussion with Carth - He wants to know whether you know what happened to Revan - then after you leave, Bastila appears for short discussion with Carth.
firehawk12 Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 After the Ravenger mission, as you return with Visas, a soldier stops you and tells you that Admiral Onasis wants to meet privately with you - you have a discussion with Carth - He wants to know whether you know what happened to Revan - then after you leave, Bastila appears for short discussion with Carth. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yup... it's strange that Bastila wouldn't make an appearance if you say Revan is a LSF though.
metadigital Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 After the Ravenger mission, as you return with Visas, a soldier stops you and tells you that Admiral Onasis wants to meet privately with you - you have a discussion with Carth - He wants to know whether you know what happened to Revan - then after you leave, Bastila appears for short discussion with Carth. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yup... it's strange that Bastila wouldn't make an appearance if you say Revan is a LSF though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe Revan scratched her eyes out after they fought over Carth's affections. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Lidda-Bit Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 The Exile is detected by so many people and by Visas in particular is because he/she is a wound in the force. This is something very unique. Not because the exile uses the force. Not to mention the exile was a fairly wellknown jedi, being a general and all. The known theory is the correct one. When characters in the game say he is the last jedi that is just their opinion. Nihilus can detect strong presences in the force , such as JEDI GATHERINGS like on Visas' home world. Not just one jedi in particular, so Bastilla and the remaining Jedi Masters could easily have hidden away alone.
metadigital Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 The Exile is detected by so many people and by Visas in particular is because he/she is a wound in the force. This is something very unique. Not because the exile uses the force. Not to mention the exile was a fairly wellknown jedi, being a general and all. The known theory is the correct one. When characters in the game say he is the last jedi that is just their opinion. Nihilus can detect strong presences in the force , such as JEDI GATHERINGS like on Visas' home world. Not just one jedi in particular, so Bastilla and the remaining Jedi Masters could easily have hidden away alone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But what about all the Jedi in the Ebon Hawk? That's a blinking beacon! (Pun intended. :D ) OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
E_Motion Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 The Exile is detected by so many people and by Visas in particular is because he/she is a wound in the force. This is something very unique. Not because the exile uses the force. Not to mention the exile was a fairly wellknown jedi, being a general and all. The known theory is the correct one. When characters in the game say he is the last jedi that is just their opinion. Nihilus can detect strong presences in the force , such as JEDI GATHERINGS like on Visas' home world. Not just one jedi in particular, so Bastilla and the remaining Jedi Masters could easily have hidden away alone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Again, the "known" theory just doesn't agree with the story line. The fact of the matter is that the Exile is neither the last of the Jedi, nor the last of the known Jedi (many other Jedi were known to many other ppl). Nevertheless, as the story opens, the Sith believed the Exile to be the last Jedi (as stated by Visas, and also by Sion just before he cuts off Kreia's hand "He is the last living Jedi."). The misunderstanding was the result of intentional disinformation disseminated by Atris and/or Kreia who were using the Exile as a pawn in order to flush out the Sith.
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