Free Ipod.

[Whitemithrandir]

Firstly, if someone didn't complete all 5 referrals, then the generation won't skip, n won't increase by 1. You have to understand my mathematical model first, as just that, a mathematical model. In the real world, there are millions of n's, all increasing at different rates. My model simplifies that by statistically totalling all those increases into manageable segments. Note in the original recursion formula there is the term 5^n, which counts ONLY THOSE who's fully completed all 5 referrals. Participants who only completed 3 or 4 ARE NOT EQUATED IN THE RECURSION. I could give you a more detailed mathematical model that results in the same conclusion but since you're too young to have had much exposure to binary recursion (or basic statistics for that matter... hell even basic math) I thought you might be able to understand this simplified model.

 

My math is sound.

 

It's designed to demonstrate ONE THING and ONE THING only: the chances of you being on top of the pyramid is zero to none.

 

Oh, if you want to know, the distance from Earth to Jupiter is 365 million miles, that's 3.65e8 miles, which puts it in the same ballpark as the numbers I gave.

 

My math is accurate. My math is correct. Everyone else who's posted on this thread is correct. It's a scam. You've been baited. If you or anyone here can prove my math wrong, I'll go back to kindergarten.

 

Look kid, you're way too young about this sort of stuff. We're just trying to help you from doing something stupid.

[Phosphor]

The fact that the scheme is legal doesn't mean anything. Being legal only means it's not expressley illegal - legality doesn't equate with honesty, you should know that.

It is very much a pyramid scheme, and there are many such legal operations out there. Doesn't mean it's right, good or even honest. These sorts of schemes skirt the edge of the law, staying technically legal enough to remain in operation.

I personally don't care a bit if you go in for it or not, but what irks me is that millions of people do and it perpetuates this sort of thing, allowing it to thrive. It's like spam mail, we all hate it and yet enough people actually respond to make it worthwhile.

It's also this sort of thing that severly hobbles legitimate, honest businesses who rely on the internet. And since that is the source of my income, it's aggrivating to see people buying into this type of crap.

[Product of the Cosmos]

"It's also this sort of thing that severly hobbles legitimate, honest businesses who rely on the internet. And since that is the source of my income, it's aggrivating to see people buying into this type of crap."

 

I can see your view totally. And can respect it too. If I actually get an Ipod will your view on this particular one change tho?

 

"It is very much a pyramid scheme"

 

I agree.. But I think it's hard enough to complete and profitable enough for Gratis to not be a scam. But that remains to be seen.

 

 

And what your model doesn't calculate mith, is the amount of non-successful to successful ratio. And how much profit is made off all who sign up.

 

If 7+ trillion people completed this(like lvl 14 your diagram), probably something like 900 trillion did not. lol. And thats being generous on the side of people completing this... I'd say something like 1 out of 40 complete this that sign up thru the final stage. Something like 1 out of 80 that complete a refference email. And maybe like 1 out of 150 that make a hit point on the site.

 

Your quickly going into quadrillions and maybe even quintillions of people there man..... LOL.

[Whitemithrandir]

If 7+ trillion people completed this(like lvl 14 your diagram), probably something like 900 trillion did not. lol. And thats being generous on the side of people completing this... I'd say something like 1 out of 40 complete this that sign up thru the final stage. Something like 1 out of 80 that complete a refference email. And maybe like 1 out of 150 that make a hit point on the site.

 

Your quickly going into quadrillions and maybe even quintillions of people there man..... LOL.

 

Okay, it's quite obvious you don't understand the purpose of recursion, or haven't taken higher math yet so I'll try to explain this in colloquial as much as I can:

 

I'm ONLY counting the people that completed it successfully. People who didn't or completed it partly ARE NOT factored into my recursion, nor should they.

 

My recursion ONLY counts those who have successfully completed EVERYTHING. Please note the 5^n factor.

 

Go to trillions and quintillions pretty quick huh?

 

Like I said, I'm incrementing time in discrete stages to model the real flow of n, which is not only non-linear, but much too complex to model.

 

Okay: you want a more realistic model with profits thrown in? Learn calculus and try to follow me here:

 

P = people who sign up AND completes everything.

M = the minimum amount of people who HAVE to buy in to this scheme to equalize the amount of profit made with the cost of giving N amount of people who completed it an ipod.

N = the maximum amount of people who can receive an ipod in order for the company NOT to lose money.

 

Let's write the simple differential equation:

 

dp/dt = kP(1-P/N)(P/M-1)

 

This is similar to the population model, except we're using N as maximum number of participants instead of carrying capacity, and the added (P/M-1) parameter to set a "floor".

 

So, for argument's sake, let's say the company makes 100 dollars each time someone clicks one of the links. (Phosphor can probably give me a more accurate amount) Let's also say an ipod costs 300 dollars. So M/N = 1/3.

 

Solving our differential equation, we get the result of

 

P = (M*0.0429N)*k + C

 

What does this mean? It means only to TOP 4% WILL GET AN IPOD to equalize the profits.

 

 

Fuzzy math? I don't think so. Same results as my simpler model, this time with profits calculated in.

 

Although I HIGHLY doubt the company gets as much as 100 dollars for every referal.

[Product of the Cosmos]

"I'm ONLY counting the people that completed it successfully. People who didn't or completed it partly ARE NOT factored into my recursion, nor should they."

 

And there laid the flaw. If you don't amount to how many fail while still being a profit for Gratis in doing this, you fail to logically see how much profit will be made and also fail in the whole equation.

 

And in that 4%, are you considering not even close to everyone who clicks the links completes the offer? Are you considering how many levels of advertisement this thing has? Are you considering you have to get 5 people to do the same fully to get the ipod? And in that 5 people another much higher amount then signed up will complete profitable things qithout being able to cash in on an ipod? Of COURSE they dont get 100$ per click. But OF COURSE they dont pay more then a consumer pays for Ipods(Ipod mini $250, 20 GB $300)!

 

As I said, your math may be str8 on. But your logic is not. Your acting more like a calculator when human variables are not being considered.

 

You may be right in the end that this is a scam. But hey, We'll see in a couple months!

 

I have a feeling of intuition I will be getting an ipod out of this. You can calculous my a$$ all you want. We'l see who was right or wrong in a couple months Thats beauty of it!

 

If I read your model right(I obviously did not care to take calculous) 4%. Taken into factor about 1 in 40 who get made a large portion of $ off of actually complete this offer. Thats 2.5% of people who sign up get the ipod.. Lower then 4%.

 

Then take into consideration all those who just 'click' on the site', as well as all those who just enter their email. The 80 and 150 estimates.

 

Maybe Im wrong tho.