[BUG] [STRATEGIES] Don't do it with Dorudugan...

[Chaospread]

I'm gonna tell everyone:

Thus that armor, which could be terrifically awesome against Dorodugan, it is almost unusable because its enchantment is nullified by the one of the best attack you can use in that fight...
One whole day of attempts frustrated
So sad

[thelee]

hang on, are you saying that when you cast avenging storm, that counts as an attack against the caster for veteran's maneuver?

[Chaospread]

Yes @thelee, I'm saying just that. When you cast avenging storm (at least, the scroll version) twice, puff!, veteran's maneuver is gone.

Edited Friday at 08:33 AM by Chaospread
added mention

[Boeroer]

You might want to check if stuff like Moonwell and similar benefical spells also remove Veteran's Maneuver. They trigger the Helm of the Aurochs freezing lash, too - because they get registered as "hits" - benefical (and hidden) hits, but hits nonetheless it seems. But most likely not as hits against refex, but who knows... 

Edited Friday at 03:28 PM by Boeroer

[Chaospread]

I'll check and refer to you @Boeroer.
Anyway for Veteran's Maneuver hits must be NON-reflex but others attacks to cancel the effect, so if the moonwell scroll hit as non-reflex attacks, it can behave like avenging storm.
Stay tuned

[Boeroer]

Ach, I'm an idiot - of course non-reflex hits. You are immune to reflex in the first place, haha.

Well, then I suspect some benefical spells besides Avenging Storm may indeed end Veteran's Recovery, too... fingers crossed that they don't. 

Edited Friday at 09:14 PM by Boeroer

[Constentin Lévine]

The effect of avenging storm (not the bolts) is an attack against yourself, like most of self cast buff.. Moonwell or Consecrated Ground make on yourself a roll per 3sec, Pollen Patch per 0.3s.

That work very well with the freeze lash of the corn of the Auroch, or the ring of clenched muscles, but also some other stuffs like :

Regrowing (Fleshmender), you are going to loose the AR bonus on each hit from buff,

No Fool, I, Gipon Prudensco, you gain the bonus very fast with pollen patch for exemple,

Dug In, Wahai Pogara (the speed bonus),

and Entropy Shield from the Chromoprismatic staff (the damage reduction).

And maybe also some other things from dlc..

[Chaospread]

@Boeroer as promised, here it is the video (turn on subtitles if you like some description of the events).
Sadly, as @Constentin Lévine said, also Moonwell makes the effect disappear.
Wanna end Veteran's Maneuver with only one Avenging Storm? Wear Magran's Blessing: one avenging storm plus one fire shield and bye bye veteran's Maneuver

 

Edited Sunday at 06:37 PM by Chaospread
added text

[Boeroer]

More like Noob's Maneuver then.  

[thelee]

On 12/14/2024 at 11:53 PM, Constentin Lévine said:

The effect of avenging storm (not the bolts) is an attack against yourself, like most of self cast buff.. Moonwell or Consecrated Ground make on yourself a roll per 3sec, Pollen Patch per 0.3s.

That work very well with the freeze lash of the corn of the Auroch, or the ring of clenched muscles, but also some other stuffs like :

Regrowing (Fleshmender), you are going to loose the AR bonus on each hit from buff,

No Fool, I, Gipon Prudensco, you gain the bonus very fast with pollen patch for exemple,

Dug In, Wahai Pogara (the speed bonus),

and Entropy Shield from the Chromoprismatic staff (the damage reduction).

And maybe also some other things from dlc..

dang is this another Constentin discovery? I didn't know this.

I wonder if there's some metagaming/new-cheese potential here. Surely there's more "on being hit" effects from gear. I only knew about Auroch.

Edited 19 hours ago by thelee

[Chaospread]

Wait, "Noob's Maneuver" is a discovery of mine, with name copyrights to Boeroer
Aside from jokes, a build based on self hit gear can be interesting... looking forward for Boeroer work about that