Decisions from PoE 1 to PoE 2.

[Jerico Hellsangel]

I recently decided that i wanted to finally continue with PoE2 again. But my save is very far into the playthrough and it has been like a year or so so i am completely out of the loop so i wanted to start over.

I´ve played PoE1 and i had a save file which i extracted my decisions from for my longest standing save.

Now however this save file is completely gone and i don´t know most of my decisions.

Can i extract the decisions i did from the current save file somehow from the files? Like a text document that says "these are the previous decisions" so i can just copy them and put them into my new playthrough or do i either have to guess what i would´ve done again or play through the entirety of PoE1 again?

[Chaospread]

I don't know if you can extract decision from savefile game as text or any kind of it, but, without doing another run, you can read in PG "diary' how you resolve completed missions, I guess.

[Jerico Hellsangel]

4 hours ago, Chaospread said:

I don't know if you can extract decision from savefile game as text or any kind of it, but, without doing another run, you can read in PG "diary' how you resolve completed missions, I guess.

What do you mean by pg?

I also can only find the quest completions of PoE 2 and nowhere my decisions from PoE 1 that i chose to import into PoE 2.

Thats the crux of my issue. My PoE 1 savefile is gone and the only character i have that had those decisions is already lvl 17. I want to start from the beginning but have no clue what choices i made in PoE 1.

If i can find out within that character what choices i did in PoE 1 to write them down somewhere and create a custom PoE 1 history with that i can pick up from that save file. I just don´t know how to look up what decisions i did in PoE 1 is in that PoE 2 save file.

[Chaospread]

By PG i mean "main character".

Ok, i think Io see now, you have no savegame of PoE1 and only a savegame in PoE2 (with main char at 17) with decision imported from Poe1, is it right?

If you have already dig inside main char diary, complete mission, options (maybe in some difficulty options etc. there are somenthing... I doubt about that but you can check if you want), the only other thing you can do is searching in current game data. Unfortunately now I have no clue about where and what to look for, you should find some .xml files, try to search for some string of PoE1 choice; here
https://pillarsofeternity.fandom.com/wiki/Histories you can find some of those, i.e. "Hollowborn", "pledge", "animancy" and so on. Maybe try withj case insensitive search.

The trouble could be programmers didn't use meaningful strings, or (worst) they saved them in some internal program memory and you have no chances to retrieve them, but you can make an attempt.

[Boeroer]

PG = Player Garacter  

[Chaospread]

I'm sorry, it's an italian slip
PG = Personaggio Giocante (Player Character)

[Jerico Hellsangel]

21 minutes ago, Chaospread said:

I'm sorry, it's an italian slip
PG = Personaggio Giocante (Player Character)

Thats fine XD no issues with other languages, was just confused.

I found my save file but i cannot read it. I tried opening it with txt editor and search for the relevant strings on the wiki you sent me but it´s just gibberish and i neither have the necessary program to decipher it (ironically enough since my player character is a cipher) nor would even know which program it could be to download it.

[Chaospread]

Savegame file is actually a zip file. You can unzip but you'll find a list of files which are no-text file and whoever knows what reader you need to read it.

The question is: are we sure PoE1 choices are in these files?

I've found an interesting suggestion here: Journal -> Journal tab (on the top of the menu, on PC at least) -> Biography

He says that it doesn't cover everything, but you can give a try and let us know
If I have time I wanna first understand where these information are and second, how to extract them...but I doubt I'll find time for that... but at least the first point, maybe...

[Chaospread]

Savegame file is actually zip file. You can unzip but you'll find a list of files which are no-text file and whoever knows what reader you need to read it.

The question is: are we sure PoE1 choices are in these files?

I've found an interesting suggestion here: Journal -> Journal tab (on the top of the menu, on PC at least) -> Biography

He says that it doesn't cover everything, but you can give a try and let us know
If I have time I wanna first understand where these information are and second, how to extract them...but I doubt I'll find time for that... but at least the first point, maybe...
Edit: perhaps they can be found with console with command "DisplayLegacyHistoryWindow()" or something like that (see this and this) but this needs more exploration...

Edited November 19 by Chaospread
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[Kvellen]

You could export the variables from your Deadfire save using the console command "ExportGlobals". This creates a .txt file with the current state of every variable in a loaded Deadfire save. Including those of the PoE1 save you imported. Then just use the Creating a custom legacy history page on the wiki to make a list of the choices to take in the legacy creator that correspond to the variable status.

[Jerico Hellsangel]

1 hour ago, Kvellen said:

You could export the variables from your Deadfire save using the console command "ExportGlobals". This creates a .txt file with the current state of every variable in a loaded Deadfire save. Including those of the PoE1 save you imported. Then just use the Creating a custom legacy history page on the wiki to make a list of the choices to take in the legacy creator that correspond to the variable status.

That is absolutely godly, i did that and found that txt file.

HOWEVER i am so confused at some things. 

LIke aloth supports autonomy so that would be Aloth_ending: 3 but when i look into it it says Aloth_ending: 0 which royaly confuses me since 0 is not a thing in the list on the wiki. Same with Eder who i made more skeptical so that should be a faith: -1 but eder for me has -5 in the files for some reason but ingame it says he still Loves Eothas and likes the followers and dislikes anti Eothasians. So what is what now i am confused. If is is still pro Eothas, should he have faith: 1 instead? And not -5?

[Kvellen]

22 hours ago, Jerico Hellsangel said:

LIke aloth supports autonomy so that would be Aloth_ending: 3 but when i look into it it says Aloth_ending: 0 which royaly confuses me since 0 is not a thing in the list on the wiki.

Hmm I took a quick search of the gamedata in PoE1. There is a conversation where that variable is gets set that plays in the final dungeon. If you don't have him in the party at that point the variable is never set above 0. In such a case I'd assume when importing a save to Deadfire it will compares 2 other variables "n_Aloth_authority" vs "n_Aloth_autonomy". Which are incremented during several key conversations with him in PoE1. Whichever one is higher represents his decision at the end of PoE1.

• n_Aloth_authority is the higher number = "He became grandmaster of the Leaden Key-"
• n_Aloth_autonomy is the higher number =  "He became dedicated to dismantling the Leaden Key-" 

The custom legacy creation choice doesn't need to set these variables.

22 hours ago, Jerico Hellsangel said:

Same with Eder who i made more skeptical so that should be a faith: -1 but eder for me has -5 in the files for some reason but ingame it says he still Loves Eothas and likes the followers and dislikes anti Eothasians. So what is what now i am confused. If is is still pro Eothas, should he have faith: 1 instead? And not -5?

Likewise here I'd just assume that any negative number means Edér became sceptical at the end of PoE1. Though regardless of his opinion on Eothas, he doesn't agree with the persecution of worshipers of Eothas.

Edited November 20 by Kvellen

[Jerico Hellsangel]

That is so interesting since Aloth was with me.

In the end i had Aloth, Eder, Kana Rua, Pallegina, Durance in my team when i won the game and when credits rolled.

So there being the fact that he wasn´t supposedly is odd.

But if thats the case i guess i just have to accomidate for it.

[Chaospread]

About Aloth and Eder "numbers" and decisions in PoE1, you can find the "algorithms" here and here, with other info here and here.

[Jerico Hellsangel]

3 hours ago, Chaospread said:

About Aloth and Eder "numbers" and decisions in PoE1, you can find the "algorithms" here and here, with other info here and here.

the more i read here the less it makes sense how in my global variables document it says that Eder has -5 faith but in deadfire he is still pro ethos. 

Also, i´ve completed Aloth quest and he was in my party as i won but his ending displayed a 0 because on the wiki it only can have 1/2/3 but no 0.

Which is funny because even in that PoE2 save file, in that very moment, he is even in my party XD So he can´t be dead anyways but the 0 is throwing me off and the fact that eder supports ethos despite having-5 faith. I´ve not looked at other companions but the fact that this already confuses me made me first want to fix this issue before moving on to the others.

[Kvellen]

17 hours ago, Jerico Hellsangel said:

That is so interesting since Aloth was with me.

So there being the fact that he wasn´t supposedly is odd.

But if thats the case i guess i just have to accomidate for it.

Ah, well that was my best guess for what could have happened. Not really sure what trigger for the conversation is, maybe it's just a strange edge case that you stumbled into.
What I will say from looking at the scripting for the endslides of PoE1, "n_Aloth_ending" = "0" is a valid outcome for the end of the game. To accommodate this the logic for Aloth's endslide also uses the Authority/Autonomy variables I mentioned as a fallback to decided which ending you get for him. The result of this will be the same outcome as if n_Aloth_ending were "2" or "3", which is also the case in Deadfire.
Which is what the "Autonomy ≥ Authority" or "Authority > Autonomy" on the endings page of the wiki that Chaospread linked refers to.
Likewise Deadfire only needs to use these as a fallback for the n_Aloth_ending = "0" outcome, which is why they aren't included in the Custom Legacy Creation options.

If it makes things simpler, from what you've described your responses in PoE1 pushed Aloth towards Autonomy. So "He became dedicated to dismantling the Leaden Key-" is what you should pick to match your PoE1 save. 

5 hours ago, Jerico Hellsangel said:

Also, i´ve completed Aloth quest and he was in my party as i won but his ending displayed a 0 because on the wiki it only can have 1/2/3 but no 0.

Which is funny because even in that PoE2 save file, in that very moment, he is even in my party XD So he can´t be dead anyways but the 0 is throwing me off.

"0" is the default value of most global variables in these games. His personal quest, and death in PoE1 are tracked by separate variables. Honestly my advice is to save your sanity and just not think too much into the meaning behind these numbers. Speaking from experience divining purpose from variables is a path of madness and mod creation!

5 hours ago, Jerico Hellsangel said:

the more i read here the less it makes sense how in my global variables document it says that Eder has -5 faith but in deadfire he is still pro ethos. 

the fact that eder supports ethos despite having-5 faith. I´ve not looked at other companions but the fact that this already confuses me made me first want to fix this issue before moving on to the others.

The logic that determines it is likely something like: "is the number in Eder's Faith axis variable less than 0?" -1 and -5 (both less than 0) are both valid so the statement passes. There is a another statement that is something like: "is the number in Eder's Faith axis 0 or higher?" Which can't pass since the number is in the negative.

If you are referring to Edér being both "Anti-Eothasian" and "Pro-Eothasian" that is always the case in Deadfire. Aloth is the only Deadfire companion with that kind of reactivity.
Edér still regards Eothasians (worshipers of Eothas) as genuinely good honest people, and dislikes those who would say otherwise. After all he did witness, and endured to some extent, the persecution of worshipers of Eothas after the Saints War. However his opinions on Eothas (the god) isn't represented in his likes and dislikes.

I think in Deadfire Edér can still at times come off as being devoted to Eothas even if he's no longer believes that the gods have the best interests of Kith in mind. It could be he's still reluctant reach to admit his god is not infallible without first hearing the big green man out first. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited November 21 by Kvellen

[Kvellen]

Weird the message got posted twice for some reason... 

Edited November 21 by Kvellen
Removed identical wall of text.

[Jerico Hellsangel]

Very very intersting. Yeah i´ll try to interpred them as good as possible and it does make sense that he still likes the people but not the god. 

Massive thanks for all the help and if i have further questions regarding this topic i´ll write them here again. ^.^

Edit: I wish there were options for never finishing someones quest but still recruiting them since this is what i did with Hiravias the Druid. I recruited him, played with him a bit but didn´t like the Druid class for my team and i left him in Caed Nua XD

Edited November 22 by Jerico Hellsangel

[Jerico Hellsangel]

Actually i do have a new question.

Raedric and Kolsc questline. Raedric_State 5, Kolsc_State 6, Kolsc_Quest_Stage 2, deathguard_main 0.

Ok so what do i do now? XD I don´t remember who i killed since it´s so long ago. Can i just simply assume i killed both? Because i am a player who tends to wipe tyrannical people out without a second thought. After looking at some pictures i do remember fighting him after leveling and gearing up a bit but i don´t remember what i did with his cousin and i don´t remember getting any message about him rising from the dead.

So like... what now? XD

[HNpis]

On 11/19/2024 at 10:54 PM, Kvellen said:

You could export the variables from your Deadfire save using the console command "ExportGlobals". This creates a .txt file with the current state of every variable in a loaded Deadfire save. Including those of the PoE1 save you imported. Then just use the Creating a custom legacy history page on the wiki to make a list of the choices to take in the legacy creator that correspond to the variable status.

That’s a really helpful tip, thanks! I didn’t realize the ExportGlobals command could grab all the variables from both Deadfire and the imported PoE1 save. I’ve been trying to track down all the relevant choices to carry over

[Kvellen]

On 11/22/2024 at 6:31 PM, Jerico Hellsangel said:

Raedric and Kolsc questline. Raedric_State 5, Kolsc_State 6, Kolsc_Quest_Stage 2, deathguard_main 0.

Ok so what do i do now? XD I don´t remember who i killed since it´s so long ago. Can i just simply assume i killed both? Because i am a player who tends to wipe tyrannical people out without a second thought. After looking at some pictures i do remember fighting him after leveling and gearing up a bit but i don´t remember what i did with his cousin and i don´t remember getting any message about him rising from the dead.

So like... what now? XD

This what I can gather from looking through some of the PoE1 game files:

• Raedric_State|5 = You killed Raedric.
• Kolsc_State|6 = Kolsc is alive. Or he was. The last you saw of him, he'd arrived at Raedric's Castle and thanked you for dealing with Raedric for him. (Narratively speaking, if he did die your watcher wasn't responsible.)
• Kolsc_Quest_Stage|2 = I'm pretty sure this means the quest resolved. It's the exact same on my PoE1 save import where I had completed the quest by killing Raedric. I tried looking into this variable's different states in PoE1...
  Lets just say that "6" means the "quest is complete" by the standards of Deadfire Custom Legacy Creation and leave it at that. The different states of this variable only raise more questions about PoE1 than they do in regard to reactivity in Deadfire as far as I can tell.
• deathguard_main|0 = No one told you about Raedric's returned from the dead. Which to be fair, is very easy to miss.

So the answer would be:

"Raedric and Kolsc." -> "What happened to Raedric and Kolsc?" -> "I killed Raedric."

You don't have to select anything for "Champion of Berath" as selecting "I killed Raedric.", though you can always select "I didn't defeat Raedric a second time." if you'd like.

 

[Jerico Hellsangel]

Yeah i also started to deduce from how i would do things + how i remember it from the small fragments i still have in my brain.

In the end i finalized the playthrough, i saved it and i started another PoE 2 playthrough. And the first thing i noticed is how annoying Ascendent Cipher is before you get some very specific gear XD.

Also i´ve noticed that i recruited the druid in PoE 1 and never finished his quest and i never recruited grieving mother. And the more i looked into her just to get a perspective, the more i remember that i never recruited her because i didn´t think that she was a companion due to her name. Thinking back to it i feel really stupid nowadays hahaha.