Bonus and malus stacking rules

[Constentin Lévine]

Because all active bonus and malus never stack together, things like Duality of Mortal Presence (+10 int) and Enlightened Agony (smart) dont give +15 int but +10. Miasma of Dual-Mindedness (-10 int, per and res) and correspondant affliction give also -10 for the stat.

But equipment and weapon's bonus and malus are passives (like Echoing Horror as pointed by @Elric Galad) and stack with active bonus (but not with the same active bonus).

 

 

For example, Blind an enemy with Chilling Grave (grave calling) while he is Miasmed make him loose -15 Per (-15acc and -30 reflex). In other hand, Chill Fog instead of Chilling Grave and Miasma make him loose -10 Per (actives dont stack).

Tenacious from Resounding Call and Helwalker +10 might give +15 might, but only +10 might with Thunderous Blows.( see in first comment)

 

 

Chanter's invocation Each Kill Fed His Fury stack in the same way Duality of Mortal Presence etc since it is not Inspiration but only +5stats.

In picture, with a hired druid with every tiers 3 inspirations from the Least Unstable Coil, under the Each Kill... effect, and with Engoliero do Espirs (Ravenous Soul Devourer):

so +13 might, +13con, +8dex, +5per, +5int, +10res + other bonus from equipment (out of fight : Each Kill and Least Unstable Coil prolonged, Soul Devourer have no limit of time).

Here, the 75 fortitude of Birta is reduced by The Long Night (chant are not passive) for -10 (weakened) and -4 (-2might), and by Daze from Spearcaster (-10). With regular Daze (I mean by spell or ability) instead of from forceful Impact, the -2might would have been overrided by the affliction. 

 

That work also with, for example, the Keeper of the Flame aroma (-8will from weapon) and Arkemyr's Dazzling Lights (-10will). Combined with Barb of Condemnation (-10 all defenses*), Miasma (-10int, -10res>> -40will), Ryngrim's Enervating Terror from the Whitewitch's Mask (Terrified, -10will) , Sweep you off (Street Sweeper, confused >-10will) and on top Ngati's Tusk aura (Hunter of Hunter, -4 all defenses, up to max at -12 or -13, so env.10), the enemy Will is now decreased by 98. It is more with Retentless (The willbreaker, -3will on hit with 5 stack/weapon).

*-10 all defense is not the same effect than -10 will, they stack. Same for bonus (Circle of Protection +15 all defenses stack with Shields for the Faithful +30deflection).

 

 

This topic is made because stacking rules are not really explicit in-game, and otherwise they are easy to understand with some practice.

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Constentin Lévine

[Boeroer]

38 minutes ago, Constentin Lévine said:

Tenacious from Resounding Call and Helwalker +10 might give +15 might, but only +10 might with Thunderous Blows.

Helwalker's MIG bonus is a passive. So Thunderous Blows + Helwalker's MIG bonus should result in +15 MIG as well. 

 

38 minutes ago, Constentin Lévine said:

It is more with Retentless (The willbreaker, -3will on hit with 5 stack/weapon).

If you have two Willbreakers (for example by using an Essential Phantom or Watery Double) you can even apply the stacking Will debuff of Willbreaker twice as high.

Also important to say that weapon modals are not passives (unfortunately) - and chants aren't either (you said that) althoug they stand on the passive side of the ability tree (which is very misleading imo).

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Boeroer

[Constentin Lévine]

22 minutes ago, Boeroer said:

Helwalker's MIG bonus is a passive. So Thunderous Blows + Helwalker's MIG bonus should result in +15 MIG as well. 

 

If you have two Willbreakers (for example by using an Essential Phantom or Watery Double) you can even apply the stacking Will debuff of Willbreaker twice as high.

Also important to say that weapon modals are not passives (unfortunately) - and chants aren't either (you said that) althoug they stand on the passive side of the ability tree (which is very misleading imo).

 

 

It is great for Helwalker, didnt know that (I always pick FF or Nalpazca (I found a trick to stay bloodied with this last)).

If you have 2 Willbreakers via Import, and use them on your two weapon's slots, each of them proc their own debuffs. In the case you havent Phantom or Illusions on your character! (this why I said /weapon).

 

[Okkes]

What about food bonuses? In my current run mohora wraps stacking with might insparation, this is the first time i used this food is this normal?

[NotDumbEnough]

That is buggy/unreliable, so BPM simply changed it to always stack.

[NotDumbEnough]

It is also worth noting that non-food clear-on-rest bonuses always stack. So Prostitute bonuses, Amira's Boon, bonuses from drinking from the mystery pool in Bipara's cave, etc. all stack with everything.

[Constentin Lévine]

21 minutes ago, Okkes said:

What about food bonuses? In my current run mohora wraps stacking with might insparation, this is the first time i used this food is this normal?

In vanilla game (not BPM) they dont stack, like potion.

14 minutes ago, NotDumbEnough said:

It is also worth noting that non-food clear-on-rest bonuses always stack. So Prostitute bonuses, Amira's Boon, bonuses from drinking from the mystery pool in Bipara's cave, etc. all stack with everything.

Passive bonus always stack! 

 

Also, most of the effects from weapon (or equipment) dont stack with themselves, ex : if you have 2 Cadhu Scalth with, on each, Soul Smite, and strike the same enemy with these abilities then the duration of the effect is refreshed. In other case, with one shield with Soul Smite and another one with Soul Strike, these two effects are applied :

(With the good classe and the good equipment/potion/bonus, Soul Smite/ Soul Strike can cause -35all defenses (-70 with two shields on the same character). The attack is vs. Will).

Edited October 7, 2022 by Constentin Lévine