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And have you EVER seen this in a computer RPG. Does Revan's background have relevance in K1 or the Exile's in K2? " Yup. But the choices do not. You can declare love to Atris and she still wish to kill you. You can hear the Jedi Masters say they disagree with the exile and they still turn against you on Dantooine. If you play DS and gained Mastery... you can still go goodie-goodie and gain LS Mastery... "

Lol. Loads of broken Sarcasm detectors this week. FAR above avarage... Indeed. But you tried so... "What you think of it"; Hmmmm... does that includes insulting Feargus Urquharts knowledge of RPG's Congrats. That is why I said in "the current state" as I know that And now give us a good reason to side with Diablo then? Nope, they are choices (damn myself for misreading this before). Kreia's choice for example is like you describe Diablo; Do I wan't to kill her with A, B or C? EDIT: Hate Quoting

No, there are others who believe that Bastila is a very bad character, but our voice just get undermined by the far harder voice of the fanbois (and Gabrielle)

Then why does Disciple remember Kae but not "that other master" (Kreia)?

1. Did you kill Vrook? 2. Did you kill Moustache Jedi (Zez-Kai-El?) (Nar Shaddaa) 3. Did you found the dead body of Vash 4. Did you already finished Onderon the first time? If so just go to Dxun, talk to the Mandalorian at the landing path that you wan't to the Mandalorian Base and your set to go!

And have you EVER seen this in a computer RPG. Even if on completely unknown way the devs do know the background of 6 billion of world-citizens and their imagination of their perfect character(s?) could they possibly be able to use the 99x10^9999999999 lines needed that you could respond to on a NPC with no story importance whatsoever? You do have to see that Videogame RPG's can NEVER make an experience as a PnP just for the fact the dev cannot possibly make the game perfectly suitable for the player, while a PnP GM can. Editing the way for a player in a PnP enviroment is easy. In a Computerworld it has to be seperately made though... besides the already implented path. Would be fun to see though. Kotor2 Expension pack: Jediphile's Path Kotor2 Expension pack: BattleWookiee's path Kotor2 Expension pack: ShadowPaladin V1.0's path Etc. Wow, that would be SO managable So expecting such things to (ever) be in RPG's is just foolish...

Besides the definition of RPG isn't really open for "personal opinion". Ofcourse if you like or not like a game is personal, but the genre is not. You cannot be right in ANY way if you think or in your opinion C&C is a TBS or RPG or Adventure or FPS. And I don't try to "make you see Diablo 2" I am just "disagreeing with you" and giving reasons why I and many other disagree with your opinion... Defend RPG status as in Defend it from gaining RPG-status... And in exactly what Video Game RPG CAN you do that? Can you side with Malak? NO. Can you side with Kreia, Nihilus and Sion? NO (not in the way the game was shipped atleast). Can you side with Sarevok? NO. Can you side with TTO? No (ok, you could merge, but that ain't joining like helping him in his fight)... You base your "Diablo 2 is no RPG" on stuff you don't even find in what you think are RPG's... and I can tell you it doesn't help in convincing others...

Planet confirmed. Mother dead; ok... but we still don't know WHO she is then, do we? They NEVER had a good relationship. He being a mechanic and Exile a General and all. They even said so themselves during their meeting on Telos But... Kotor2 is Kotor2. That "goal" was NOT set in Kotor and thus cannot be used to defined the making of Kotor's RPG-status... And is the Exile's path really that. I thought it was finding the 4 masters for revange/explenation...?

And the link says Diablo IS a RPG. ShadowPaladin already mentioned all the details around that... Besides your definition doesn't fit the link and if it does the link no longer defines RPG's? Well, you try the same with Feargus; so why can you do so with a Dev. but can't I try with you? Everybody else says Diablo is a RPG; making you NOT "everybody else" And still enough time to defend Diablo2's RPG status from me and ShadowPaladin. Oops, untill now... And I already saw your other reply and replied to it... have fun replying on it again; if you haven't done already And in exactly WHAT RPG does that do that? And what does it have to do with the discussion at hand? Do you claim Diablo2 is no RPG because it is consistant (in keeping killing... no stopping, like in your example)?

Let's answer said questions for Revan/Exile Parents: unknown/unknown Grow up: unknown/said ingame but forgot. Could be implentation of Jedi Council Why a Jedi?: unknown/unknown Friends?: unknown/Malak long-term goals: unknown/unknown (end dependant) What *hic* do yah *hic* mean *sniff*?

Maybe because you actually clinge to that definition. It would probably not difficult to find another explenation in an other dictionary. Might look it up after making this post in my own! EDIT; my dictonary doesn't even know the word But what you think is a RPG doesn't form the RPG-specifics. I can find Deus Ex a MMORPG... but you can expect that even if it is "my definition" everybody will disagree and try to get me to see it is a FPS/RPG Really? Does FF or Falout roll a Dice, even if it is a digital one??? And by that definition; Diablo II does role a "digital dice" then... making it a RPG again DEBATE = ILLEGAL On a more serious note; Actually, that was a request if you couldn't please explain a little better what you actually meant with that part of text which seemed totally independant of ANYTHING discussed here...

you can find a fix here (Oh, and if you start making topics of EVERY bug in Kotor2 you probably end up with a topic or 1000... search for bugs in the Technical section just to see what you get!)

Fahrenheit IS a Adventure game. Point is that in Jediphile's definition it would be a RPG. Do not confuse the "real" definition of RPG here with the "current" definition we discuss Hey; don't go sprewing true words now... Diablo II is clearly NOT a RPG; but The Sims is! "

Nice definitions you cough up. By that definition D2 is indeed no RPG... BUT neither is Fallout, Fallout 2, Ultima (all), Final Fantasy (all) etc. EDIT; And Risk is the

That was still about your "you must roleplay char X"... WAY before Kotor ever came in the convo! What. We do have a good case. As Diablo2 is a RPG... And many games that are not RPG's will become that by your definition Wait? What is the result of Kotor/Kotor2/BG/BG2/IWD/IWD2/PS:T sidequests on the end or the rest of the story? NOTHING. Omg... they are all NOT RPG'S! Maybe that is why they are called SIDEquests... but ofcourse I am wrong on that Damn Diamond for beating me... But you play several characters! And your actions influence the rest of the story!

Tell me about it. Hades one; Deus Ex is a FPS. I must qualify it as a FPS. I cannot qualify it as RPG. Maybe I'll try later to play it as an RPG to see how it is as RPG

You're asking me? Just rambled a quick list. With little effort the list can become 200x bigger... but that might be a bit too much. The current list already makes the point (I hoped) As is in Boiling Point or the GTA's :D

MY definition? Wait. Diablo 2 has sub-quests. You can or cannot complete them! Choice! RPG!

Guess you never played some of them then to make such false statements Would include all of the above? What above? You mean freedom? Now where is the freedom in alot of other RPG's? Take Kotor for example. Always seeking the 4 maps. Always go to the SF. Same with Kotor2; always seek the 4 masters then follow the

Hey. It is not my definition of RPG's!

William Wallace, Genghis Khan, Jean d'Arc etc. "

Lolz Doom = RPG Painkiller = RPG Serious Sam = RPG Half-Life = RPG Monkey Island = RPG Grim Fandango = RPG Gabriel Knight = RPG GTA San Andreas = RPG GTA Vice City = RPG Age of Empires = RPG Civilization = RPG Republic = RPG The Sims = RPG Boiling Point = RPG Empire at War = RPG Black & White = RPG Populous = RPG Etc. etc. etc.

That body ain't Fassa's already

Very happy But why bookmark it?... it is always on top in the General Section

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