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Yes, It's a sad state of where they left it. I really love how they would have fleshed out the characters if they had put that storyline in and she is right, there are sound files that weren't in the game. I've heard them, they aren't that hard to find or play. I suspect that LA wanted to rush the game out because of the christmas shopping season and forced Obsidian to release it. Because in the first kotor stuff like that happened and there was still a sequal (if you can call this a sequal). I just don't see any dev cutting THAT much from a game just so the ending can be more "Open ended"

There's ample evidence from checking the programming and scripts in the game (PC Version) that a lot was left out, that's not in question anymore. But the question is why was it left out? Did obsidian not want to put the stuff in, or was it rushed? (as is the favorite theory). EDIT:There was suppose to be more to the remote/goto thing. And of course the HK factory story line that never materialized. Apart from the rushed storyline beginning from the dantoonie council and the plotlines that never got finished.

Welcome to the fabulous rushed world that is Kotor2, Please keep all arms and legs inside the ride at all times. And no whining about the completely unintelligible ending and plot holes. Don't forget to tip your LucasArts Numbercruncher and thank him for releasing the game to early! Have a Nice Day.

I doubt that kotor3 will clear that up. As from what I hear from rumors is that lucasarts wanted to release this by christmas and told obsidian to package it up no matter what and it looks like right after the council everything just got rushed out the door to stastify some number crunchers at Lucasarts. It's a sad state of affairs really, since there has been evidence that content was left out. Including conversations with your friends at the end of the game and even tons of quests on korriban (which seemed short compared to the other planets). As far as kotor3, whoever does actually make it I hope it isn't rushed out the door just to make it in time for some holiday.

In many, many games you fill find, should you choose to delve into the code, elements of content that was left out. It's simply a matter of the design of the game's story and plot development being changed as development progressed. It's not necessarily a sign of cut material due to time constraints or anything like that. You're reading far too much into a very common occurance. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fair enough, but was this stuff really needed to be put in into the PC cd's? What's the point to have it installed? Also, there are some fairly obivous places in the game where it looks like more could and very probably should have gone. But it just seems like this stuff should have been cleaned up before release if it didn't go in. I won't go into specfics here (because this isn't the spoiler fourm) but like I said, there are cases where more looked like it could have easily went into the game and some of it was already voice acted (IE:Korriban). Did they have these actors voice this out and then just decide to not do it because of... what? Time? Money? Or they just didn't like where it was going? And the ending, it seems a lot of people feel the ending is very hollow. I do respect that game companies sometimes have junk code, but I feel there is evidence here that content was left out.

Oh sure, I loved the game. I really enjoyed it, never said I didn't. It was good, just a real shame that stuff was left out and no company seems to care if they release a half unfinished game or not. But yes, a good game but could have been much better and made MORE money for the companies who made it.

You are also quite right legat, that sort of bad bug testing shouldn't be allowed either. Stuff that competely stops the games for some of you ( I only had bad slow downs) is just unaccapetable. Especially when the engine is as you said, tried and tested. I'm not sure where these bad company practices are coming from? Lucasarts? Obsidian? Or just plain accdients? But this sort of game shouldn't be released prematurely. No matter what.

I just don't understand why we as consumers put up with this sort of unfinished work! I don't mean to act all uppity here, but honestly.. what would happen if any other company released a product that wasn't finished? A car without seats? A stove with no knobs? It's fairly silly and as some of you have posted, it seems like these people are just pushing these things out expecting them to make more money no matter if there done or not. But a good game, A really good completed game shouldn't have to come out at a certain time to make lots of money. Look at some of the best games, Almost anything made by blizzard, MYST, Sims, GTA, HL2, FF, etc etc. To quote a movie "If you build it, they will come". There's no need to build a half assed game. I don't know the release dates on those games, but I think no matter when they came out they would be popular. *sigh* It just makes me angry, especially doing this to a franchise that so many of us love. We as consumers shouldn't put up with this sort of grabage. NOT saying it's Obsidians fault, or even Lucasarts, just that it's wrong no matter how you look at it or who does it.

Do you have evidence of this? I wasn't "bitching" though. I was voicing a concern as a customer of there products, as I said in the first post I am not angry with them. But you believe lucasarts caused this game to be unfinished? Well, if that is so then the number crunchers you speak of shouldn't be allowed to make those sort of decisions, if the game isn't done, it isn't done. Period. I will however e-mail lucas arts about this. Again, I'm not angry and I'm not "bitching". I just want to know why and how this can be stopped.

I'm not saying they have to get on there hands and knees or anything. I just want to know why? And can this somehow be stopped from happening in the future? Because honestly, this game has so much more that could have been better. It could have been a instant classic game, it could have been so much better.

Dear Obsidian, You recently released Knight of the Old Republic 2 on the PC. This lucas arts game is both fun and enjoyable. However, in light of ample evidence that the game does not have everything in that you wished, or that somehow content was left out (I refer you to the post here http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=29503 that clearly shows sound files you released with the PC version including some from NPC's that were never in the game and including Jedi Master Vash that was found dead on Korriban where she is talking to the player) I do hereby request information as to why this happened. Knights of the old Republic is a franchise much loved and adored by both Xbox and PC players, and this treatment to our beloved universe is abhorrent to some of us. So I ask and I hope that my fellow players will also speak up in asking, why? Why was this content left out? Why was this game released to early? I will not conjecture that some company forced you to do it, as that would be without evidence in my possession to do so. However, all I ask is that you publicly aplogize for the game that is not complete and/or at the very least tell us why it had to be uncompleted and who is to blame if anyone. Also, I would like to know is there any way we can stop this from happening in the future? I think it was fairly obvious with the interest and popularity of the KotoR franchise that this game would be a hit, why was it necessary to release it unfinished? Again, I thank you for the enjoyable game and I am not angry, just perplexed as to why this happened. Thank you and Good Day. EDIT:I would also like to know why the game appears to have not or very little bug tested. There are game stopping bugs that should not be in the game, especially considering this is the same or near the same engine as the first kotor.

Yes, that explains a lot to me, Thanks. So much in this game feels hurried and rushed with parts left out. I hate it when companies rush stuff out just so they can get money faster.

I agree as well, Apart from the horrible ending I really liked the part where you have to work for your lightsaber. I liked that about kotor too. Man, I keep looking so fondly back on kotor.. such a good game. A true masterpiece in gaming imho.

Well, You "kinda" get the fallout (great game btw) flashfoward thing when you talk to kriea at the end. But I honestly didn't like it much, I didn't like how my character just ran off to find reven. I mean, it's MY character. Couldn't I choose what he does? And all those storylines left unanswered and such. I dunno, the game just went downhill real quick imho once you get all the jedi masters back to dantoonie.

I thought I just missed something at the end of the game, but I guess not. I mean, compared to the endings in the first kotor this was... a big let down. Right there at the end it seemed like a lot of storyline was just being left at the wayside. And what about the HK factory thing? After I reactivate HK-47 in the ebon hawk he says that I have some sort of transponder (or something) that will be activated later so I can find the location of where all the other HK's are coming from. This never happened. Did I miss something there?

Got the game like two days ago for the PC. Don't have a xbox so I never played it on there. But I did play the first kotor. So I just finished kotor2 with a light side male and I must say... wtf kind of ending is that? Maybe I missed some options when speaking to people but it feels like the ending was really rushed and forced (pardon the pun) out. I mean, Okay I got to ask kreia about the future.. but I mean, i didn't even know half of my allies were alive. They never showed up at the end apart from the bounty hunter chick. And My character kinda had a thing going on with the handmaiden and she hardly shows up at all in the ending. She never shows up at all after I save her and I thought we were gonna like.. fight together or whatever. And what the heck happened with the remote and goto?? It never said, the planet blew up but it just left that story hanging there. And then at the end it's just my character flying off at the end to find reven (I guess?) I thought kriea said she was going to give me three choices. To leave, to stay and wait for my friends and another one I forgot. And I NEVER got that choice. Did I miss something? I mean, shoot I would have prefered to stay and wait for my friends.. who I DON'T even know are alive btw. And I just run off without them? What kind of light side guy am I? Just a horrible ending. I would have prefered to wait for all my friends, save kreia somehow and then maybe blow the planet up and then have some sort of ending chat with all my characters and a nice LONG video. Sorry to rant, but it just felt like WAY too many storylines were just left dangling there at the end. Did I miss something?