Gromnir

which was why we was pleased to see it continue. HA! Good Fun!

excellent http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...st=60entry773 would be funny if you were successful

uncle fergie might agree with you. we will have to see. maybe you should send an email... let us know what kinda response you get. HA! Good Fun! p.s. the guildmaster is present, so now would be a perfect time to pm/email him/her. give it a shot.

is always funny how Gromnir gets called "troll," but when you look at threads like this, it is Gromnir discussing issues, and other folks who end up wanting to discuss Gromnir. we discuss why mods are needed at obsidian... and now we talks 'bout Gromnir. we discuss problems with rules, and sure 'nuff, debate turns to Gromnir. http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=72&st=0 *shrug* we not mind when such things happen... means that folks generally recognize that they not have no substantive argument. k3, don

oh please. "Actually, I NEVER said that the rules clearly distinguish between the two, so don't put those words in my mouth. I was just pointing out that I think there's a difference, and I think that difference is what they meant." you said that there is a "big" difference. now maybe you thinks we is putting words in your mouth by suggesting that if you thinks there is a "big" difference that such a difference would be salient, but we not see room for you to complain. honest. "Regardless, think what you will. The only point I was making, right from the get go, is that I don't see how these rules are 'too restrictive' as many have implied." sure you do. you has tacitly admitted that the difference 'tween arguing and debating is, at best, a subjective distinction. so the rules can be too restrictive if the moderator applies them in a manner you find inappropriate. am not seeing the issue here... you can say you re-learned some lesson 'bout Gromnir, but so far the only thing we has done is point out that your own manner for distinguishing debate and argument is precisely the reason why some people can view the rule as being potentially too restrictive. the choice 'tween argument and debate is a subjective one, with a significant grey area, that we place in the hands of an equally subjective moderator who has no real enumerated guidelines to make choices to censure or not save his own opinions. all rules that is so subjective has the potential to be overly restrictive... which was why sam was asking for the rules to be more clear. *shrug* you can complain

Your not helping! You helped make it a self fulfilling prophecy. Hence, it doesn't count. this thread is actually less in need of moderation than the one we linked above. 'least we not got any real profanity in this thread, and the personal attacks has been pretty weak. things was getting bad 'fore we got to obsidian boards, and no doubt they would get worse w/o us poking exit.

considering the fact that we got so many non english speaking posters on these boards, it would be mighty amusing to see some sorta grammar standard applied. no doubt the mods obsidian chooses will need a masters degree in English. wonder how many folks got the requisite creds? actually, we do know of one person who would be so qualified. and k, we ain't arguing with exit 'bout why he should or should not be a mod no more... we thought we was debating with the nma/dac/rpg codex crowd 'bout grammar standards. HA! Good Fun! p.s. we did say that folks would bring their baggage with them to obsidian, did we not?

actually, the problem ain't so much his use of the term

another future mod? *shrug* the longer certain folks continue to post in this thread, the less likely they will ever be mods... which is all good for Gromnir. is a win-win situation for us. "especially since it serves no apparent purpose whatsoever." sure it does. *whistles cheerfully* HA! Good Fun!

"Now, before you start trolling me," not know what brought that on... "There's a big difference between 'arguing' with someone, and 'debating' with them." we does note that you claimed that there was a big difference 'tween arguing and debating, but at the same time you admits that your distinguishing the two is based on a subjective connotation of respective definitions. if the big difference is based on some subjective impression that is actually contradicted by the clear, black letter definitions of the respective words, then we is not sure how much of a guideline it provides. we also note that even your connotative distinguishing seems to suggest that a continuum 'tween arguing and debating exists... at some point arguing can be polite enough so as to be recognized as debate, no? so, clearly there must exist some grey area 'tween the two extremes. how can there be a big difference 'tween arguing and debating if there is necessarily an obscure grey area where one will have a hard time identifying where debate stops and argument begins. is no trolling here... is just an observation that your initial "argument" suggesting that rules clearly distinguish 'tween argument and debate is not nearly so clear as you suggest. if a obsidian mod does not like what Gromnir is saying, they can very easily see us as being argumentative. if they agree with what we says, then it is debate. most of us has seen debates on these boards that get "warm," and those is often the debates that result in the best info. the "arguing" v. "debating" thing honestly fails to give any real guideline for judging when a thread should be killed. HA! Good Fun!

circle of eight? yeah, we recall hearing of them... and we saw your posting at atari's toee boards too, which is where circle of eight got started. yeah, you has shown lots of evidence that you is the kinda guy that obsidian would want moderating. HA! "I'm quite certain that any number of them would vouch for my capability as an administrator. I do not appreciate your slanderous remarks." slanderous? do you even know what slander is? not seem that way. want us to start linking rpg codex posts of yours? besides which, your reading comprehension being as sharp as ever, we said, "he got references of modding from some other board

he got references of modding from some other board

heck, we didn't even know that you had proposed banning us... HA! sorry, but if you is holding out your status as a mod at codex as evidence that you is qualified to be a mod for obsidian, then we not think we need to respond no further. HA! Good Fun!

"There's a big difference between 'arguing' with someone, and 'debating' with them." really? define. HA! Good Fun!

I know, but did you expect anything else of the bat? This place will settle down. No biggie. no, we expected that obsidian would let things pretty much go to hell over the weekend... sorta a test run to see how board software holds up and to see what the vandals try w/o no interference. as to this place settling down... why would you expect that? point us to a game board w/o no real moderation that is settled. and this board? HA! people with old grudges who generally not post in same places has now been thrown back together 'gain. there is the bis fans and the bio fans and there is the fallout3 folks and the bg3 folks and there is folks who hate star wars, and there is lucas fans, and it appears that they is all gonna be posting here for some time... so, what makes you think things will settle down? they is gonna get worse 'fore they get better. as to who should be a mod... fan mods are generally a waste of space. we has seen some small number who did a good job, but for the most part

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=86 already is threads with profanity and substantial flaming. we not mind the way things is... in fact, we likes when some poof shows such lack o' imagination and brain power that they gotta be vulgar to get point 'cross... is quickest way to figure out who should be ignored, but point is that most game companies likes to keep things so that kids and old people not find offensive or inappropriate

"I think outlined rules have to be overly strict in order to facilitate room for judgement, though still allowing judgement to be ultimately and justifiably be in the administration's hands. " these is obsidian boards, and administration of boards and application of "rules" is in their hands regardless of what such rules say. initially posting rules that seems draconian serves no purpose at all save that people always complain more when they thinks that they is somehow loosing an entitlement... from a pr perspective, is always easier to be generous with a harsh rule than it is to try rewrite ever more increasingly restrictive rules. we recall how the ip mods loved to link to the board rules... rules which not have no real meaning in light of fact that they was pretty ambiguous and in recognition that each and every mod seemed to interpret those rules different. linking such rules and even having such rules is pointless save that they is expected

people is much more willing to accept restrictions after they has been the victims of other folks exercising their "liberties." if obsidian wants to crack down on folks hard they could not hope for a better start. HA! Good Fun!

one cannot help but suspect that some folks is trying to see just what the real limits of board rules concerning profanity and decorum actually is. seems like a silly way to go 'bout it, but at least it gives obsidian a chance to set limits sooner rather than later. HA! Good Fun!

"For all those of you who thinks Star Wars KOTOR2 will be good think again because all of the past games that black isle have worked on in the past were mostly overrated and were not as fun as people thought they were. " how can a game not be as fun as we think it is? if Gromnir thinks that ps:t was very fun and that iwd2 was not much fun, then that is exactly what they was for Gromnir. black isle games may not have been as popular as some suspect, but saying they weren't as "fun as people thought they were," is sorta silly. until we hear what obsidian is up to, Gromnir gots no comment on potential success or failure of project... save to note that if kotor2 is the project, it will sell initially, regardless of what obsidian actually develops. we sure not gonna start guessing where such a thing would rank on a hypothetical fun-o-meter. as to relative merits of reviewers

is this a first attempt at beings ironic on obsidian boards? HA! Good Fun!

not allowing argument with mods may effectively end any debate simply by their choice of posting in a thread. is this a good thing? *shrug* again, the rule is meaningless 'til we see how it is applied. HA! Good Fun!

rules w/o context is near meaningless... 'specially when the folks posting the rules is the ones enforcing those rules. you gots lots of rules, but until we see how they is enforced they is not helpful to us. HA! Good Fun!