Captain Shrek

Frankly, NWN2 combat was a nightmare. Does anyone remember those horrible rogue filled rooms in the NW manor? Or the Orc caves? Or how rogues were *made* useless by filling the game to brim with undead hordes? In many ways, these are the same problems that IWD2 faced. As well as PoE. I personally feel that 3.5 D&D is a great RPG mechanics facility, not perfect, but still great nonetheless, which has received a bad name as it was abused by bad developers.

Volourn, my dove, been arguing for this since ages. I bet no one cares.

Don't you forget NWN2 OC.

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/68982-dear-obsidian-what-really-needs-to-be-fixed-is-not-xp/?do=findComment&comment=1523178

Quite astute! I will explain myself. It is objectively better because it has more classes, Spells, Multiclassing, Skills, enemy variety. These are the only things objective in any comparison as they are numerical.

As I said: Do not play NWN2 OC. It was designed by monkeys.

It never held any water except in the eyes of degenerates.

IE games and infinite resting and thus infinite spells. Which is why the buffing was broken. If pre-buffing came at the cost of actual spell slots sacrificed for later fights it would be the best system ever. Just like in PnP.

NWN2 is objectively better. And I am not talking about the campaigns, even when I believe that MOtB and SoZ>>>>> PoE. NWN2 simply has better mechanics, which when used judiciously can give us amazing modules like the Conan Saga. As I see it, PoE is totally hampered by its combat design where the attributes have little to insignificant effects and the entire engagement mechanics. Add to that the inability to multiclass and you have a repetitive and shallow gameplay.

I think I asked a pretty straightforward question: Is playing a thief underpowered in Bg/2 all by itself or just wrt other classes? If it's the former then I will admit BG/2 were worse games as they made an entire class impossible to play. My general impression is, no matter what class you play the game is totally playable just like most modern games, including PoE. Mages and other magic users are not particularly overpowered either. They require careful play and more input. The entire assertion that they are easier is blinded by player expertise and nostalgia at playing more complex classes better.

Density does not make for quality. It was just more in BG2. You are projecting your baggage on me. Stop it.

Gromnir, are you saying that thiefs are underpowered in BG games? Just want to understand your stance. Or is your point that they are weaker than other classes? Like rangers, priests and Wizards of PoE?

So Grominir is bull****ting again?

I *can* put my finger on why I don't like DA:I. It's a console game, with a piss-poor porting over to PC, with no Mac/Linux version. It's definitely why I *DO* like PoE: it's a game written for PC Gamers, that uses an actual UI-control setup that makes ****ing SENSE. That is something that is as up-to-date in 2015 as it was in 2001. If you're still a PC Gamer, and still like REAL RPGs (which at the end of the day still work best on mouse & keyboard, not a joystick/game-controller), as opposed to action-games that pretend to be one.

Welcome to D&D, where there are more magic users than not.