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Ok, whatever you say, Volo.

What?

We weren't actually arguing over which one was "best", we were arguing over whether the PC will rise up as a relevant platform or not. Also I didn't know the "M$" joke was still around, it's a really bad one in any case.

No change there then

That would be highly unethical, not to mention against the Forum Rules.

If that actually happens I'll happily admit that you were right and I was wrong. Now I guess we'll wait.

And I strongly disagree, it's just another cesspit like IGN or Gamespot's user reviews, but with it's own peculiar little twist(the little rivalry that I mentioned above). You're grasping at straws. Come back when a next-gen AAA game's sequel sells less than the previous one.

Let's look at some additional numbers, then: Giant Bomb score: 5/5, user score 4.3/5 (76 reviews) IGN scores: 360: 9.5, user score 8.8 (3899 ratings) PS3: 9.5, user score 8.9 (1589 ratings) PC: 9.5, user score 3.6 (1534 ratings) - probably the "no dedicated server" squad again Gamespot scores: 360: 9.0, user score 9.0 (9260 votes) PS3: 9.0, user score 9.1 (5071 votes) PC: 8.5, user score 7.1 (6766 votes) Are they not? The consoles are the order of the day ever since XBOX360 got into full swing. The actual influence of console gameplay on PC games has never been greater. What I meant was, how do you know that console influence won't increase even more? There's nothing to say that things won't be looking even better instead of going downhill.

How do you know when things are looking their best? It could still be getting toward that point. As for metacritic user reviews, they're like youtube comments. The PC version has a low score mostly because people heard that there will be no dedicated servers and found a place to vent their hate. 1-5% of the reviews are probably anywhere near honest. As for the console ones, Metacritic has an age-old tradition of PS3 fans giving the 360 version a low score and vica versa, especially when the games are high profile. Most of the more honest people were disappointed with the single player, everyone seems to love the multiplayer and that seemed the focus from the start.

@Boo: It's nice to speculate, but there's no evidence that consoles are becoming less popular for whatever reason or that they will at any point in the near future. "Running out of ideas" isn't exactly quantifiable. Starcraft II and Diablo III will certainly be popular whenever they come out, but if WoW didn't manage to make PC gaming relevant, those two won't either. @Tig: I meant that the console gamers still see PC gaming as nerds in basements, not the general public.

I never said there was a "better" place to game. I'm saying that the PC isn't in the gaming mainstream anymore and no amount of crazy graphics is going to change that. PC games aren't going to outsell 360 ones anytime soon. The consoles won't fall into obscurity under the PC's awesomeness, they will be replaced by the next generation which will continue to sell software better than the PC. When Wii sales finally start dropping significantly, Nintendo will release a new add-on, a new Super Mario game or in the worst case scenario a Wii 2. A gaming-capable PC is just as much a luxury toy as a console these days. Does it matter that consoles' popularity is created by marketing and hype? The fact is that they are popular and Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo have a lot more money for future marketing and hype. The lack of "viable innovation" hasn't really hampered the software sales, has it? When we see any signs of it wearing out it's welcome, you might have a point, until then it's just baseless speculation.

You can get a melee damage upgrade...

Don't drag Dune into this. 360's graphical capability has peaked a long time ago, but it is still the yardstick for graphics. Why? Because it's the most common next-gen console out there and sells the most next-gen software. This isn't going to change until the next console comes out, no matter what the PC does. People don't just jump from console to PC because the graphics are better, the cultures around the systems are fundamentally different.

Nice deflection there. Where do you get all these little factoids about the consoles?

Don't kid yourself, Wii sold 3.81 million units this December alone and the PS3 has been picking up during the last year.

@Jags: I was talking about the publications' thinking as to why they don't really bother covering all the DRM shenanigans. @Tigranes: PC gaming is seen as it always has been seen: something that nerds do in their basements with ultra-expensive rigs. All the casual stuff and even WoW doesn't go under the traditional understanding of "PC gaming".

Let's not pretend that PC gaming is anywhere as relevant as console gaming aside from flash games, facebook games and MMOs. Also WoW is hardly immune to piracy, it just works slightly differently with that.

Don't forget oil shale

If you keep it up you'll go blind as well

I never said it was a bad thing, just unnecessary. If they decide to put it in, great.

I just don't see the need, it's all there in the manual. If it really bother you so much you can always tell them to add it, maybe they will. Just bitching about it here won't help any of your hypothetical people.

I think it's also in the DOSBox readme that alt+enter switches between fullscreen and windowed mode. That's not too hard, is it?

Volourn - still living in the Bizarro World.

The thing is that PC gaming itself is pretty non-mainstream by now and the bigger publications don't really care. The thinking goes something like this: if you want to play PC games you put up with the DRM, otherwise you play console games. Also, proud to be the official cynic

DOSBox isn't for the faint of heart. If you know what you're doing, you mess around with it, if you don't you leave it alone.