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Elerond what would be your greatest concern around Trumps presidency and him being elected again For people like us outside the USA we may have different concerns

Dark I am enjoying this debate you and Elerond are having around the legitimacy of the vote in mail but I dont want you to spend all this time researching this potential risk and then in the election its not an issue at all .......because sometimes what Trump says is just a media reaction and the media always ends up discussing it And if something is just a distraction then your time can be spent on other more relevant things. But Trump has excellent ways of manipulating the narrative to his own comfort, this is something he really does well and be able to justify it because he mentions how the media is always going to believe anything he says ....and of course CNN will discuss exactly what Trump expects them to respond And if I was CNN presenter I would be so tired of always discussing his " offensive " tweets and how he doesnt care about the history of the USA and how he wants to undermine the credibility of the election because it just seems like a distraction around policy which would be more interesting

Your post is really interesting because you have summarized nicely what I am noticing, its difficult to explain but when he gets asked the question " do you condemn the right wing " its not a real question because there is already an assumption on what he thinks....so its just part of a way of not getting an answer but confirming a bias Trump has had on several occasions condemned the right wing, people can google this if they dont believe me How did you come to this view around this question, is this just an observation or did you read a link. I have only noticed it now and it is interesting to me on different levels but I havent read much about it ?

Gromnir please always assume I do have a reason for making some points outside of not really understanding the obvious, I appreciate your feedback as it allows me to understand the issues and your detail in making posts is appreciated so please keep providing posts around these topics I have followed the general comments around Trump and his lack of perceived criticism towards the right wing but there is level of complexity around this and what it means. Would you like to read what I am taking about, I am not trying to be silly about why I should make a post but it will take me some time and I enjoy debates but you could honestly not be interested in a different view on this and then its pointless making a long post especially if its considered unorthodox But I would like you to understand the view and get your comments ?

Gromnir I can understand your concern about the nature of what defines normal and real news and yes some Trump supporters believe the worst forms of misinformation I have ever encountered in my life in any first world country But the good news is this doesnt represent the views of most normal Republicans, for example there are a few credible Republican supporters on CNN like Scott Jennings and Rick Santorum who make very reasonable comments about Trump but do call out the theatre and populism and where he is out of line

But phoning someone for a proper chat is what I always do for an update, I do use WhatsApp and LinkedIn but those are really convenient

Yes and have you noticed that you are able to communicate fine and dont feel you are missing out? But also its nice to be able to get updates from your wife if necessary ....your wife has a big family right so FB for her would be useful and makes sense purely from a update on photos and news

Last question is FB to blame in the sense people dont understand acceptable SM communication or is this more about how the US health department is paranoid about not getting sued so they may overreact ?

Trump is getting very criticized for not " calling out white supremacy " .....and there is this analysis of this as if it matters on CNN Firstly he called it out before, why must anyone have to call out something that we know is a extreme form of racism and its like white people need to keep pointing out something obvious I would refuse to comment and say this is just disingenuous question and ask the moderator to move on. If people are not happy with me not getting involved in theater then I dont want there vote ... Unless someone can tell me what possible reason Trump needs to respond to that type of question? Is that what Americans need to hear from Trump.......

This is an interesting post because I remember how hospitals and people can get sued for anything nowadays in the USA And just to be clear why would it be deemed possibly offensive if she wanted to tell you something about her husband, .....obviously in SA we dont get there legal concerns so its interesting to see what in the US would be the possible violation?

I respect the importance distinctions you feel should exist between teachers and pupils, I believe a teacher needs to consider this I am not sure you remember a couple of years ago I made a post about how I went to a garage to get cigarettes and in the shop I ended up meeting these 2 pretty, teenagers maybe 17-18 laugh about a joke I made which they genuinely found funny. Anyway we chatted a bit about life and then when I left they invited me to come smoke a quick joint which I accepted Now for me this was not anything even remotely sexual and I am definitely sure they felt the same,....this was just a fleeting friendship and some weed. I didnt even think it was even remotely strange But when I made the post you were very shocked that a 41 old man would smoke weed with 17 year old girls .....and I was happy to see how seriously you take your job. But the reality is I am not there father and I am not going to try to tell what is inappropriate especially when there is nothing weird about there offer. Anyway I remember that story and it did remind me of your post now

Well firstly I thought Dan said there was nothing untoward, so you saying this is about a relationship outside a friendship which may be very inappropriate I thought this was simply a FB connection, which is something that really cant be considered a normal relationship or something that cant be easily controlled ? But maybe I am misunderstanding the issue

I would like Dan to clarify because I find it hard to believe in this time of pandemic? I imagine hospital staff are generally considered people with empathy and there are many stories of nurses who get to spend the last 3 minutes with dying covid patients where they attempt to provide them with any final comfort....sometimes people just want to hear a moving religious hymn and you see the nurses singing this request...its very emotional and sad but also comforting and reminds me of the kindness of humanity All the medical staff interviewed would often talk about extreme emotional distress medical staff are under which is much worse in times of virus increase ...now you suggesting it would a normal policy to tell those same medical staff " you not allowed have a FB connection with any " patient

You think a hospital would enforce such draconian internal rules as " you cannot have a FB connection as a consenting adult " In my line of work I would be offended by that suggestion if a customer expected that while I am working on a project because it suggests I am not able to determine a friendship, it should be a choice that as it not really anyone's business surly ?

Sometimes it is but in these types of meetings you can offend someone unnecessarily....it could just be a temporary FB connection and not anything she will participate in so why make a harmless situation uncomfortable...they have this connection in a hospital so it can be more complicated than a normal meeting with someone who wants to " friend " you

You can hang with patients but you can easily separate work from someone who is just wanting to connect on FB friendship which is not really a real relationship as you can easily ignore I have to be honest I feel you have a normal but acceptable responsibility to friend her because obviously she feels the 20 minutes is a reason to have a connection with you which is credit to you . You can be cynical and think " 20 minutes and she wants to know me.....hard to believe thats sincere " But you come across as a very candid and caring person so I can believe she could form a connection, I like taking to you and Im sure after 20 minutes of chatting I would feel much closer to you .....but Im not on FB so its an unlikely scenario You can quickly make a judgement call on her after some assessment on her comments and views and if you dont enjoy her general personality you just remove her because you are under no obligation to keep her as a friend

majestic why you pulling a Zora on me And why you being so nasty, well you never mentioned my race so there is that .....have you forgotten the honest and important endorsement I gave Austria..and it was true.. But seriously my views on these topics are not based on my links to economic systems or real fears of an utter collapse of our societies. I have seen and worked in countries that have attempted and failed to change the proven, quantifiable metrics of the free market so we must never underestimate the risk of badly implemented economic polices You will be surprised but " bank bashing" can sometimes be fair .....but why dwell on some illegal, mistake or greedy endeavor some people in finance end up doing. If people have broken the law they should be prosecuted ...I have an uncle who was incarnated in the USA for links to complicated, normally acceptable but still illegal changes to some finance statements in 2008/2009 . Himself and 3 Americans were charged for various financial crimes and SEC got involved , they pleaded quilt and received real sentences in a real Federal prison but this prison is apparently used for people like them who are not real criminals so you cant put them with murderers and gangbanger shot callers and murderous right wingers Its the same prison I am sure Bernie Madoff is in or was in. My uncle has spent about 6 years in jail but he is being released early and they are deporting him back to SA and he can never return to the USA and he can never work in the financial sector ever again. He must be 68 now so I suppose he should be able to retire but he wants to work and somehow make amends ....not sure how but he should be able to try to work and make amends

I dont know much about him to comment on this but this is what is true about him. He was a loyal and important VP to Obama which was a time of both success and overreach but I cant recall him doing anything significant He espouses the moderate view of Democrats ......you dont want Warren or Saunders becoming president, I like them on a personal level as they mean well but you cannot have people running the USA who believe in punishing global US companies who get unfairly blamed for 2008, are happy for mass tax increases on everyone and are happy to suggest sweeping social changes like enforced gun control irrespective what reasonable gun owners think But I am worried about his mental state...he worried me during the interview and allowed himself to get provoked by Trump with comments about his son. What if he cannot finish the term and Harris becomes president .....now I am concerned about her trying to implement polices that are suppose to address " inequality " and how unintentionally this weakens and erodes the economy in different ways And its unhelpful to suggest " she wont implement polices that could hurt the US economy " because there are many countries that have destroyed there economies and livelihoods through bad polices or decisions

I admit I have no knowledge or history of the role or significance that either Armenia or Azerbaijan play in the region which is fine I am aware of the terrible genocide the Armenians sent through and how Turkey is responsible. Do you guys know many Turks even today refuse to accept this ? What is the real risk around this conflict from a " spill over perspective" ....the last thing we need is thousands more immigrants trying to get into the EU if things get worse?

LadyC can I ask you a question as the one of the only women on this forum and you being American? What dont you like about Biden and why do you prefer him over Trump?

Yes I agree but it was also more or less what I expected....I was worried Biden would come off looking worse than Trump due to his occasional ....how can I say it politely and fairly....absent mindedness but it seemed to go okay for him I cant see why they need to have more of those ? On CNN all the commentators are saying that was the " worst presidential debate in the history of these debates " .....I wonder if that is fair as neither candidate was particularly significant for me? CNN is furious how Trump " refused to criticize white supremacy " during the debate ....I am not sure why they asked him this because its become one of those questions he has answered in the past and I cant see how Trump repeating what he has said in the past is going to change the views of actual white supremacist?

You right, that would have been a much better way of getting the same feedback

But Elerond its not fair to associate Pizzagate which was caused by the QAnon fringe group with the overall Republican party and levels of insight that many Republicans have The extreme views of QAnon are really hard to take seriously and wont ever be translated into Republican policy

Thanks for the feedback but to be honest I am interested in this particular game because of the whole supernatural. horror element. I dont normally play Sherlock Holme adventure type games Do you think this is a supernatural, adventure game ....in other words I dont just want to solve crimes I want to solve supernatural crimes ?

I think I have changed my mind and will watch this debate, I just saw this very interesting discussion on CNN on this debate and now I am looking forward to it