Master Sliath

Thats like telling a falling man he isn't falling.

First off that can't work..If Exile is free then how can people with destiny follow him? Destiny can't account for him than so it can't work. metadigital, think you could type the [] and how it should look...not working for me lol. And what would we do if we new? kill our selves? we can not our destiny...lol why hide the unescapable that alone doesn't make any sense.

Shadow, im sorry but destiny doesn't need propeling...this is the point of destiny. metadigital, sorry about that still a bit new to this.

*****SPOILERS TO EPIII***** Redemption is the whole 6 movies lol how even the most evil of villans can be saved.

You didn't anwser my question and I already stated Destiny can't destroy itself. and destiny, although an aspect of Star Wars, is not the theme. The true theme is redemption. The SW relm also believes in choice otherwise Yoda would never said "Always in motion the future is." or "If you leave now help them you could." destiny doesn't use could's or maybe's. Destiny in SW is more used as "birth right" then "predestination."

When did I contridict myself? I said if the force has a destiny (meaning Kreia is right) then it could never allow a destiny to be one that destroys it's self. (thus kreia can't be doing what she's doing) Also what I sad was If choice is real (thus kreia is wrong) than you could make the choice to destroy the force..which kreia has come to depend on. (Kreia could do what she's doing) What your suggesting is a vaccum that swallows it's self. Also if Kreia needed you to have free will (you being disconected from the force as you say) then destiny could not account for Kreia's failling as you would not be a facter thus the first still holds destiny can't destroy it's self.

lol ohh your funny..Destiny is pre-destination first strongly belived by Calven (forget first name at moment) which the Puritans (erarly American settlers) believed which stated...no matter your actions you are pre-determend a St. or sinner. Your actions no matter how noble or deviouse can't change your birth right of St. or sinner; thus, you shall be saved or dambed at birth. Destiny is absense of free will or more simply removal of choice. Meaning you can't escape your futrure you are planned for a spacific role in life be it good, or be it evil. Are you happy now? doesn't help your case much though as the Force could never make a destiny for someone that would inolve killing destiny itself. Such a destiny could never be ; however, the CHOICE is always there to destroy that which oversees your life.

wow you guys type fast lol. so what (if Kreia was right) was Ani's detiny? To go dark side or as you said "screwed from the start" or to kill the Empy? Wanna know how "Destiny" works? Ani made his own choice to be evil..the force (as a will possesing living being) forsaw the danger of such a choice and knowing how we chose it presented a new choice...Luke was born the one thing in all that galaxy that made Vader choose to kill Emp the force has a will yes but never removes free will...only gives you reason to go one way or another thats not destiny thats simple planing...Force does not "cause" events only presents other factors.

lol she never faced them..had she faced them she would accept the choices she made and accepted who she was as her own person instead she through all her choices on the force so as to cop-out and blame her mistakes on somthing other than her...she is a Post Atris and you thnk Atris could ever admit to being wrong about anything? The force is like God in pretty much every way (save the force powers ofcourse lol) God knows everything to the end of time knows every turn in every path and if he so choose he can present anwsers to hard choices...this is not predestiny. Force is the same way...knows what will come knows the choices that will be made that doesn't mean the choice wasn't Kreia's or whomevers to start with.

Sorry for reposting this i edited..didn't know i was at the bottom of page 4 lol. Another thought after typing that lol. She spoke many times of having a war with your past but another interesting irony is that her..being as powerful as she was..could control and confuse and manipulate like she could..but she couldn't do what every other ally could..force or no Light or Dark she could not over come her past...she could never face...and accept her past choices...one moral the game hits pretty hard...she was the preacher that didn't practice what she preached.

she said on Telos that Jedi can't make it where normal....beings lol...can. She wished the total destruction of the force which included all jedi. She wanted vengence against the force. She made her choices and suffered due to them but she did what anyone (even in real life) would do...found someone to blame in her eyes she thought the force made her fall and suffer as she did..she was a coward and the real irony is that she in all her glory, all her power, and all her streath...was the least wise of all the NPCs...she was lost in her own grief. Another thought after typing that lol. She spoke many times of having a war with your past but another interesting irony is that her..being as powerful as she was..could control and confuse and manipulate like she could..but she couldn't do what every other ally could..force or no Light or Dark she could not over come her past...she could never face...and accept her past choices...one moral the game hits pretty hard...she was the preacher that didn't practice what she preached.

Where on earth did you get that idea... Kreia dosnt need to prove anything she only needs the will and the means to do what she intends. It's not a court of law. People who dont agree with her , she removes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry was in another thread missed stuff lol. above quote...sounds pretty evil to me. By killing "God" as it were (the force) you would be depriving millions of of people of free choice. The force would no long touch anyone but obviousely somthing that exsisted and leaving those touched by the force helpless in a galaxy they could no longer funtion in (worse than killing anyone is leaving them in suffering..to be honest your plesure killer isn't near as evil as Kreia.) You see kreia didn't slowly kill the people but she intended to take away everything that was dear to them out of revenge for having it taken away from her.

Nope she can hate your guts but she'll still upgrade it for ya.

Would you have any proof to that? other than that it is just the common idea? A link that says to some degree that "Dark Father" is fact? All you just said was Vader was Lukes father and was dark thus Darth vader must mean Dark Father. You have more to go on than that don't you. P.S. that has nothing to do with EU simply put..it's the truth wether you choose to believe it or not.

Vader is (belive it or not) Dutch and German(Vater) for Father but this had no bearing on the char as is commonly belived. Darth is an inclusive word for the tital DArk lord of the siTH. Vader is a short version for invading here is a link to s page abut it but ill put the part im talking about here for all the lazy ones lol. http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method...8&curtab=2222_1 "It is interesting to note that "Vader" is the Dutch word for "father" as well as that the German word for "father" (Vater) is similar, and it may be tempting to read the character name "Darth Vader" as "Dark Father", a word-play that may well be the root of the Sith title. However judging by the origin of the other Sith names, Vader may also possibly be a derivative of the word invader. It is also worth noting that in the original scripts for Star Wars, the name "Darth Vader" was given to a normal Imperial general. The title "Darth" may also come from "Dark Lord of the Sith."

wait just a sec...let me get this strait.....Shadow, you thin that killing a lot of people slowly one by one for just the fun of it is more evil than killing God??

Yeah look on the back of your KII case lol it shows a jedi in grey robes with a double bladed cyan saber on the ice acadomy fighting the 3 HK-50s lol I thought i missed it the first time i plaed through. When they gamve was first annonced the had planed to have you find your saber on perogos(sp) then they decided to have Atris hold it for you and you could get it from her somehow then i herd they decided to make it really powerful even without crystals and all and you would get it when you fight her near the end Then they just chucked the whole idea and you got what you got.

You need to talk to kreia about your "charname" crystal and she'll say somthing like "interesting you crystal doesn not reflect your power" then she says take it out of your saber and bring it back to be so do that then talk about it again and she'll focas it.

HK-47 was damaged long before the sith attack..if you find out his story he says how some of his parts (the ones you find) were sold all over the galaxy and how someone got his template thus meaning some foul play was going on in with HK on the other hand Reven could have very well disassembled HK so he wouldn't follow...which would explain T3's reason to stun HK when he tried to use the nav comp.

Whats really wierd is she doesn't to any of that evil stuff for gain...she does it just to prove a point!! I think Kriea needs to see a Force Shrink. "My leadership was taken, my power was taken, my dignity was taken, my hand was taken, and my mask was taken!! But don't worry. I will be Sion's master again cause I say so...he won't be mad that I tryed to use you to kill him..nahhh he will be my apprentice again just cause im old and crazy!! *wispers* besides...I know where is real left eye is and he won't get it back till he kills you muhahaha!!" Yeah thats Kreia in a nutt shell and boy do I mean NUTT shell.

First off I'm not siding with anyone on this but I would like to state a few "continuity" issues. Luke came very late to the force so says the movies where (I think) everyone agrees continuity comes first. Yet, here Exile is starting an army of force users who are all old..older then Luke even lol and Mace even said Ani was too old. Any color lightsaber other then Blue Green Red and now Violet....ok comics had them books had them and games had them well the movies never did...Continuity? Ani got married but that was wrong in the jedi order....books comics games all have jedis getting involved but...the movies say thats wrong..umm The movies always have a Sith lord take the ttle Darth and a proper name that corrosponds with his..say..char..Vader=Invading Maul=very violent ect...ok well Darth Traya did that pretty well but Reven (a interesting char but still Continuity??) I noticed this the first time I saw EP2...Jango Fett..awsome char..well loved my many fans...games and comics say the most feared Bounty hunter in all the galaxy...could even bring down a jedi.....the council didn't have him on there most wanted list? Obi acted like he hadn't even herd of him before. I have more and im sure you can contest..probably all of these...but we are speaking of continuity..you know the absent of contradictions. P.S. i'm a super SW fan but I am also honest when you have tons of diff writers writting about the same story.

Don't take this the wrong way....i think that idea has been played alot. Vader Kyle Exile (guy needs a name lol) Reven Ulic Qel-Droma (SP) Juhani This is a catch all for most jedi games IMHO...I would like somthing new that doesn't require that my RPG char have a solid background that my char may not have done in the first place. Let me choose LS or DS at the start of it with the background of nothing impressive. Now let me make my own chars history going dark or light or whatever I choose so that my chars history is my own not some writer. Just my opinon of course.

Well...kinda lol As a lightsider I found it easy to make him a jedi but as a darksider he kept saying I looked bad and I lost influance with him so I had to say alot of nice things and almost be gray again so he would go dark....but still anytime I do a bad thing and he is with me he says that wasn't nice...wierd dark side chars we got in this game...they don't like being bad.

Seems to me Cand- I mean Mandalor " is attemting to form the same Mandalorian group that Jango later leads..some few 1000 years later lol but yeah seems that way to me.

Well you know, no matter if Revan went Dark or Light, he and Bastila still get together. Call it love or whatever they hook up. How about following a kinda StarWars tradition.....Revans chiled 15 years after KOTOR2?? A new char but with ties to Revan and he would be in the rebuilding of either the Sith empire or new Jedi order depending what you picked at the start of the game. I'm not saying have a long video with Reven in his mask saying "No Charname. I am your father!!" I'm saying that revan leads the jedi or sith with the exile at his side or leading the other (depends on questions you anwser when you start the game. you could even have to side creata char screens so you can make Revan and Exile look like you think they should you know head choices and Jedi class. there you go an all inclusive game that binds the galaxy of pre-starwars together and gives a nice twist to the chars. they can even bring back most any char they want even Jolee, again depending on your starting anwsers. I like the idea but yeah im wierd lol.