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Don't mean to butt in, but how is denmark taking a right turn? and how effective is the healthcare system in scandinavia?

Your last sentence about WHY people think this way also puzzles me... i think about it alot because i know so many people who think like that also. and when kids have questions they go to the most obvious source, their parents. not a book or a intellectual. and once you make your mind up the FIRST time... its just that much tougher to change it. becasue your looking at it biased from there and getting all the ammo that supports it from there on. Thats my hypothesis on the human mindset.

Agree with alot of it jelly, its strange that we have this crppled healthcare system, do you think anyone would sue it if it was universal? goodluck. As of welfare... i believe that there should be one also. Educatiuon itied with healthcare! its so importatnt for crime, success, happiness! To put your hope in private schools for just a few kids is wrong! america isn;t united when it stands. but if properly educated it will.

ok wil right now but as i do, can you tell me how effective you healthcare system is so i can have some ammo when i debate socialism.

My boss has the same views as tak does... i don't know where it roots from. Could it be fundmemtalism creeping in again? why would the people who it could help (75%easy) reject it as nonesense? where could that belief come from? It would be difficult to change, but what doesnt change? isnt the meaning of life to be happy, so why not make it easier to be? Edit: I dont know how to respond to mkreku's post. all i can say is alot of people in every country will believe they live in the best country. i personally don't beleive i as an amercian live in the best country.

Ok think about if for your kids and grand kids sake... do you want them to DEFINATELY have healthcarea and a retirement aid, amd make a better public education system so they can make better decision and not get lied too, because thje more one knows the harder it is to lie to that person. the more valuable that person is to make decisions for his community. or what the heck, take a chance. what we do while we have the power matters. we are living on a thin line. screw the past. we blame ourselves if we dont make it better for them.

ok thanks taks

I liket he idea of socialism still and i still think it can work. and i am not impressed with private eduactiuon either. there are a ton of ways to tweak the system to make it work. socialism is about making life easier and less stressful. sometimes kids get hurt, then what? they dont get treatment because they dont have healthcare? or they crowd the emergence room more becuase people can't get regular checkups so they o at the last minute when its unbareable. also Social security. it was set up to MAKE the older retirees have a income still so they wouldnt have to become a bum after they retired out on the street our forced into a relatives homes where they have to take care of them whether they can or not. We need socialism. how come people wont try to help the poor people out? look at the duckbilled platapus. our system doesnt include it in the mammal category. do youy know why? because our system isn't good enough. why can't we lean on our brother ans sisters to help eachother out? not all privatised businesses are good either, thats a fact.

notice you added a comma instead of the period i had in between, i was just staing it was a dictatorship, i know what i was stating but sometiems it comes out wrong. on paper i guess.

ok im just gonna guess and say the USSR at its beginnings was a totalitariansm, is that wrong to say? But i have a hard time thinking Lenin can be described as that. i think he was a dictator but i can't describe the typeof dictatorrship he ran (ie: socialism, capitalism) i know its neither though.

wasn't confusing the two just stating it was a fact.

What are the conservatives doing what the oliberals would not?

Ok, everybody has danced around my question for about 30 posts now. we've said it wasn't communism, its not socialism either, and its not capitalist( Parts were though <_< ). so what ISM is was the USSR when lenin and stalin controlled it? straightforward. i know it could be a mixeture of two. anybody know? i challenge you! .... I dont know the answer

This is interesting. From the moment that nature itself makes us all different, any theory, philosophical or otherwise, that is based on the concept of universal equality is bound to fail when applied on a real world situation. We have had plenty of examples through History that illustrate one point: trying to rearrange reality into what we, in our human conceptions, think it should be is a lost battle and the process usually yields unpleasant results. The fallacies known as "innate rights" and "justice" are proof of that. Sure, it's better than living in a cave, but it's in no way what it was conceptually supposed to be. The same can be applied to communism. Carry on with your on-topic discussion. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The more knowledge you have the more valueble you are to a society in making decions. and because everybody has rights in a democracy and that there is room for lack of education, that can be the downfall. that the intellectuals only have so much of a say is the problem. here in the US the intellectual elites are looked upon as trying to tell the working class how to live, but in a sense they are right, they want them to have an easier life with social programs. Anyway, i can't see any socialism in USSR but a good half of it is capitalism. what would that make the USSR then?

I agree. i like the ambulance analogy, and i do think that they unfortunly bad mouth socialism.

I think that socialism can be the bridge to communism in the Marx and Engalls theory but i think that it is off when it comes to the IronFist Machine of the USSR's version when it started after the bolshevik revoultion. i aee it as capitalism still.

I see that Since the Elites run everything with a IRON FIST giving BARELY anything back but only to survive w/(NOT HARDLY EVEN) that that is nearly slavery and cannot be conssidered socialism. the elites are getting the money to have extravagent apartments and exotic foods. they would trade w/ the rest of their "communist countries" just how the wetern democracies would trade with their own. and still not clear how it can be more socialism, am i being stubborn?

I think that's it. Socialist policies are defined by a strong intervention and overseeing of the economy by the state, in a protectionist sense mostly. In this sense, since the USSR was a planified economy, it was socialist. Combine that and a totalitarian regime with an emphasis on propaganda, and you have real world "communism". <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think socialism goes hand in hand with democracy though. not dictotor ship.

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The USSR commuisn that spread was a wrestched thing, people think "communism, what a great idea. lets grab our guns and start it!" and tahts not right for the start! N. Korieans are into the black market so they can get tvs and VCRs and they think its not right. their gov. is supressing them alot like USSR was

I can't see how it was more socialist then capitalist. the people could not use anything for their own purpose, they did not get their own share. it was like a jail. the government used them to make a profit. am i right?

Could it beconsisdered an alien capitlism. a new kind, becasue its not socialist thats for sure! whats do you think it resembles closest?

Good point about the free trade. im going to try to work around it and say that ussr could trade with itself and everything else behind its iron curtain, and the Western Democracy could only free trade with the coulntries they were with too.

CAPITALISM: free-market system: an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit Microsoft