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Bad Brains - Banned In D.C.

Coil - Teenage Lightning 2

Ghostface Killah - The Champ Off Fishscale . I'm thinking of making another Rap thread in honour of this album. Though actually it's just that nu-metal thread making me sick, with laughter. Haven't seen such risible ignorance since Eric Clapton was shown to be the public's favourite in that Blues vs Jazz thread.

Eldar is a Lotr reference. Shut up. I'm not a nerd. PS: So was Servant of Eru.

te' - It must be called "Intelligence" if people stop when they realize they are not able to become what they are wishing to be. (onore ga bun wo shirite oyobazaru toki ha sumiyaka ni yamu ru wo "satoshi" to iu beshi.)

Now you're just teasing me, pervert. te' - Existence" of eloquence is only in a look of people's face that remain silence, and it even beats any kind of words. (chinmokuchuu no hyoujou ni koso, kotobaerabi ni masaru hontou no yuuben ga "sonzai" suru.)

Hank Williams - I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry Totally isolated, dawg.

You know the essential musicians, right? Skip James Robert Johnson Son House Bukka White Mississippi John Hurt Charlie Patton

Naha, I have to say something. You see that's my shtick. I say things. Skip James - Jesus Is A Mighty Good Leader How much Delta Blues do you have, Lou?

Wait. I like it. Am I supposed to say that I like it here, or am I supposed to post the exact same message there? I'm not feeling very deep tonight though. Shameful, I know. Kick in the Face 99

Oh ****, man. I totally forgot. I'll listen to it now.

You're a walking disgrace to gay men everywhere : (( Brotha Lynch Hung feat. Makaveli - Corpse Came 2 Dinner RMX

Now, now, in all reality, and let's be honest here, metal is clearly music for and by mephitic hipster pedos with Kallmann syndrome. Yes, I'm a hypocrite. I need help. I need guidance. I need some cold beer. Eyedea & Abilities - Liquid Sovereignty

I've got nothing witty to say : ((

it isn't...trust me. Leadbelly - In The Pines Uncle Tupelo - Grindstone

Why must you always be so blatantly envious of my ethnic heritage, Muso?

It's all good. Shut up, Finn. Okay, maybe not top 20. But this wasn't a top 20 anyway.

Nirvana - Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle Have I mentioned how much I love Steve Albini? Damn good album, anyway. Skip James - Devil Got My Woman I've been perusing my Delta Blues collection, perhaps the most beautiful music to ever grace humanity's ears.

Revenue Man Blues by my favourite Patton

Leadbelly - Big Fat Woman

Killdozer, while not metal in any conventional sense, they had one of the most trashiest sounds ever. Same goes for stuff by Black Flag, Disaffect, Tad, The Jesus Lizard, etc. Anyway, if you're on a metal binge I can always list some of the most worthwile albums, 20: Suffocation - Effigy of the Forgotten (Death Metal) Agalloch - Pale Folklor (Folk\Doom Metal) Arcturus - Aspera Hiems Symphonia (Avant-garde Black Metal) Black Sabbath - Master Of Reality Atheist - Elements (Progressive Death Metal) Brujeria - Raza Odiada (Death\Grind) Brutal Truth - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses (Grindcore) Cynic - Focus (Remastered) (Progressive Death Metal) Cryptopsy - None So Vile (Death Metal) Fantomas - Suspended Animation (Avant-garde Metal) Fantomas - Delirium Cordia (Avant-garde Metal) The Melvins - Houdini The Melvins - Stag Fantomas Melvins Big Band - Millennium Monsterworks Sleep - Dopesmoker (Stoner Metal) Sleep - Jerusalem (Stoner Metal) Coroner - Mental Vortex (Trash Metal) Ulver - Nattens madrigal (Black Metal) Pig Destroyer - Prowler In The Yard (Grindcore) Ephel Duath - Pain Necessary To Know (Avant-garde Metal)

A little bit of both I suppose, but at the movement I'm leading towards contentment. I've stopped being dissatisfied with my life a long time ago, and in that I have found peace of mind.

Heh. I don't think I have ever called myself free of all doctrines or ideologies, I am probably less their prisoner than the average Joe, but free of them I am not. My point was that atheism as a natural state does not enforce a doctrine. Religion does. To be an atheist in *my* truest sense, and let's be honest here my day to day philosophy is incredibly self-centred, one has to follow the simple "belief" in the non-existence of man-made gods. Once you add other convictions to this belief, and I'm not talking about building an ideology around it, more in the sense of militant elements, you become more than just an atheist, you still remain an atheist, that's still fundamentally part of you, but you evolve outside these original boundaries. I suppose we all build or borrow certain principles. For all we've got really are laws, we depend on them to function in the human society. I'm not rejecting laws or claiming that an atheist must do such a thing, no, what I'm saying is that atheism does not father laws. At least *my* atheism doesn't. And here we are back at the concept of the self. It's funny in a way. Perhaps because I wish not decide if the universe of chaos is better than the universe of order. Because I'm happy living somewhere in the middle.

The problem I see with atheism as an ideology is this. Atheism is simple. It doesn't depend on doctrines, dogmas, rules or laws. In its most purest state it is the honest lack of belief. Everything else is man-made. In its natural state the universe is godless, void, empty. To understand the universe gods have been created. To give meaning to the void, to instill order. And so we have gods, myriads of gods, keepers of age-old knowledge. Each god has his own dogma, his own ideology. They build temples of words. They give commandments unto us, informing us of what is best for us. But never showing their faces. For we are not ready. Instead they choose the enlightened few who are to guide our lives through their holiness, bastions of belief. How hard do you think it is for a man to realise that he has never felt God? That while he's alway been surrounded by His words, by His servants, he himself is void of belief? I cannot see God as a natural state. Nature is chaos. Gods are order. Laws, gods, ideologies are all symbols of order. They are that which is spawned out of our inherent need to make sense of the world around us, a world washed in chaos, guided by random chance. And so we have atheism. The natural state of the world. The absence of belief. It is so very simple once you think about it. We can delude ourselves with order, we can delude ourselves with laws, we can even close our eyes and mutter some insipid mantra. But the truth is simple. My soul has never felt God. And I shall certainly rather trust my soul than some old drunken preachers stranded on a mountain's top. One can of course link atheism to theism as if they are but two sides of the same coin. They are not. Atheism, obviously seen through my own perception, is the fundamental state of the universe. The word used to express it might not be the best of choices. But I like it. I do not like a lot of words. I would not even easily associate atheism with the mindless, angry, pubescent rebellion against the cloaked priests. It's more than that, much much more. Religion has changed the game, so to speak, it has brought its own rules, substituted the eternal universe's original laws. Created a human society based around its teachings. It has created ideologies. So atheism for me is never an ideology, it is free, free of laws, rules, dogmas, doctrines, commandments, orders, free to express itself in whichever fashion it desires. Rationalists and antitheists are not atheists in the truest sense. They are more than that. They have added their own puzzles and conundrums. They have replaced the laws of religion with the laws of man and science. Can you build an ideology around their teachings? I'd say no to antitheism, it's still pretty much doctrine free, one can of course be created but it would more likely be fathered by their desire for rebellion, for progress. You can't build it around atheism in its natural state. You can blame it on atheism, sure, you can say that it all comes out of atheism. But atheism has no laws. That's what they forget. All the laws they make are of their own minds, of their own volition. You can't create the order needed for an ideology out of atheism. As for rationalism, I don't know. What's rational? I've seen attempts at building a perfectly rational God. I myself know that I am less than rational. I'd rather not tackle this subject right now. What I've written here is all rather pointless. I'm sure we can both agree that the religious fundamentalism sprinting through the starved deserts of the middle East is a very very nasty thing and be done with it. We'll never agree because our definitions of the words in question are different. It's a tale as long as humanity itself. A tale of words and nuances.