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Atton is a killer with the dual keen lightsabers and master critical. And I think his +4 defense jacket, in addition to his dexterity, remove the need for anything different. Atton always had more defense than any of my other chars, including Exile.

I think so too. As I see it, without healing, Exile would become just like Darth Nihilus, which was exactly what the Council was afraid of. Maybe Nihilus took advantage of his ability as a wound in the Force, and became dependant on it in time, while the Exile neglects it.

Yes but I think in the comic case it's just horribly bad art. Some of the people on here should apply for a job they are 10 times more talented by the look of it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not if they're forced to draw Molelobsters

I think the game assumes you trained all/most of them as Jedi. This is another annoying factor in the game, because I think it the NPCs progression should be "forced" on you, in a way. Sort of like in K1, when the characters stop you in mid-game and say "I want to talk to you".

Mandalore the Ultimate. :cool: Mandalore the Indomitable. Mandalore the Bugmeister. Sorry, had to be said. :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok, is it just me or does this "beast" molelobster fleet actually looks like a nest of giant hornets flying in space? Hornmolobster is more like it, and it's silly. <_<

Well, I think the only reason Revan didnt have those unique powers was because Bioware didnt want to implement them as part of the game system. Obsidian is much more daring in that matter.

I think a perfect quote for this would be the one from Vrook, on the Council meeting on Dantooine. "What you feel is not the strength of a Jedi" and the rest that followed. The Exile's new strength was not the normal Jedi strength, it was the strength he drained from others as he killed them. On another note, it's hinted on Paragus that the Exile didnt really forget everything concerning the Force. When Exile rediscovers the Force, no matter what form it comes in, Kreia says "Come, I shall guide you down the familiar paths". Maybe the Exile only needed someone to help him remember, and that is what Kreia did. It's also true that Kreia tought him powers like he never heard of them, which might just mean he was not tought them as a Padawan. Perhaps Jedi Knights learn these powers at a later stage, and perhaps some powers are not learned at all (Force Sight?). Not everything is like riding a bicycle - some things you learn, but if you neglect it you can forget it in time. Instead of comparing Force usage to something like reading, I'd rather compare it to something like math (yes, math <_< ) - from experience I can say that you can learn and know math perfectly, but if you stop excerizing you will forget how to do it after a while. And Kbned, if you really dont care, then stop argueing. You're not even considering others' point of view, you just try to preach your own opinions to them. Not everything you say is right, and oftenly, when you're the only one saying it, it means it's not right. Edit: On a last note, notice Kreia is not exactly your typical Jedi or Sith teacher. She teaches the Exile her own teachings, which he hasnt learned before. In fact, part of the reason she traveled with him was to teach him her own, unique teachings.

I liked Visas' character, but I think she had more potential. She is not a very deep and interesting character, but she has a wasted potential to be one. Visas is just one of many elements I found having a wasted potential in the game. I didnt hate her character, I just didnt get attached to it.

What's so bad about the PST ending? I found it perfect. K2 had holes, big annoying holes, even at the ending. I dont mind the ending itself, but the holes in it and in the rest of the game. It felt incomplete, while PST felt very complete. As for good/bad endings. I like happy endings, but I also like a degree of sacrifice in them - having a perfectly good ending is nice and all, but I prefere when there's something which leaves a bad taste, like it's all all so good. For example, sacrificing Visas to kill Darth Nihilus is a good ending, which leaves a bad taste of Visas' sacrifice. Third thing, I always like it when a storyline makes me more attached to the characters. When I get attached to characters in a story, I find the story a lot more enjoyable in many ways, and definately radiating more emotions, rather than a flat story with flat characters that just starts and ends and that's that.

Atris: "You are Sith." Kreia: "Yes, but unlike you, the title is not who I am." I dont see Kreia as a real Sith, and Kreia doesnt see herself as one, either. She didnt follow the ideals of the Sith, she didnt care about the Sith more than she cared about the Jedi - she would rather see them both gone. For Kreia, Darth Traya is not a Sith Lord, it is someone who knew of betrayal, with no real attachments to the Sith. Kreia's methods were very crude, maybe, like the Sith are, and she was definately not your goody-little-Jedi, but I wouldnt call her Sith either. She represented no ideal of the Sith. The only thing she cared about is the Exile. As for Malak, he is a Sith Lord, representing the ideals and teachings of the Sith and the dark side. But on the other hand, he is not a true Sith - The Sith is a belief, and the true Sith, the real Sith empire, is waiting on the borders of the republic space. (sounds familiar? ).

Actually, I dont see Atton killing Sion because Atton, like Kreia always says (like it or not) is a fool. Exile's victory against Sion was a matter of breaking Sion's will, so he could no longer sustain his body through the force. I doubt Atton would be capable of the same feat. Though it does seem he got his ass kicked too easily. At any rate, I would've hated it if Atton died. He was my favorit character in K2, probably because I considered him the most real of them all (he has flaws and advantages, everyone else just seems almost perfect in whoever they are). He also goes through major changes in the game, from being a bastard to becomming some simulacrum of a nice guy. Mira is my sec favorit.

Well, obviously the original Basilisk War Droid was a molelobster. It was originally invented when the first of the Mandalores tried to make an early version of the Clone Wars, but using an army of giant moles and lobsters instead of himself. The cloning proccess got messed up, creating a molelobster creature, which died ten seconds later because it figured it looked stupid. Mandalore then decided to make the Basilisk War Droid, in honour of the sacrifice of the original molelobster. Canderous, the new Mandalore, however, figured it was stupid. When he rode on the molelobster to destroy the planet, he thought to himself "What am I doing on this thing? And are they all laughing at me down there? I didnt invent the damn thing! DIE!". After he became Mandalore, he figured that in order to keep the Mandalorian pride, he changed the molelobster to Basilisk War Droid MkII. That is the origin of the basilisk war droid :cool:

Well, technically speaking. You need a wind generator, and we all know how much /those/ cost.

The armour you would need for that would be impractial to say the least. Remember the shots of the imperial space troopers? They looked like boxes. Not to mention any sort of concussive blast knocking you flying unless your welded to the thing. Mind you I heard that some of the EU have space ships with sails, so credibility, probably not a big issue. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Spaceships with sails are cool. Everyone know chicks dig sailors

What is this Virago compared to the Beast? Nothing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, duh! It's a convertable! :D

Convertables rock, as long as you have the weather for it. Somewhere on the other thread someone said the thing in the hanger has been called the stealth version. Since I care nothing about the EU I cant verify that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And what's a better weather than descending down the burning atmosphere of a planet, having your surroundings melting about you in temperatures no living being was meant to face, only to crash in the middle of a ruined battleground, pulling out your blaster rifle, and shooting down everything that moves? Huh huh? (w00t)

In order to have a roof you have to have sides, or the roof just sort of falls on top of you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A Basilisk War Droid doesn't have sides. You ride it like you would a horse. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But I think we agreed that's the older model! The new one is an improved convertable! Maybe Mandalore doesnt like horses? Come on! :D

I'm sensing some hostilities in the air... Maybe we can settle for it being a Basilisk War Droid MkII? The Molelobster is a Baslisk War Droid MkI? Maybe Mandalore likes convertables?

Allow me not to care. It looks stupid thats all there is to it. A cross between a mole and lobster is an idiot design for a spacecraft. Kudos for Chris for ignoring it and going with something that made sense. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You know, when you think about it, it does look like a cross between a mole and a lobster. It's too damn funny I wish I could've seen it in the game

I will post in defense of K2. First of all, the "hole in the Force" is another way of saying that the Exile is a wound in the Force. It makes sense, really. He's killed so many people that all their lives lost left a gap in life itself. The Force is life. There was a gap in the Force; a wound. Secondly, the Force bond was faked. Kreia led you to believe that your Force bond would be likely to endanger both lives. She did this so you would not have thoughts of killing her--because it would be killing yourself. That's why none of the Jedi Masters knew of such extreme bonds. They don't exist!!! Lastly, blame Lucasarts, not Obsidian. They set an early deadline. Only 18 months where as Bioware had 3 years. WTF?!! I just want to convince those who hate KOTOR2 to look at it from a different angle. Look how much Obsidian accomplished in 18 months! Over 30+ hours of gameplay. I personally thought K2 was equal to K1, if not greater. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Then why did the Exile experience the pain of Kreia's hand getting cut off? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Kreia's telepathy is pretty impressive - she could have very well transmitted her pain to the Exile, to create the notion of a possibly fatal force bond. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And she was able to commit this sinister mind trick while she got her hand cut off by Sion's lightsaber? It sounds very illogical. Also explain how Exile and Kreia shared their force powers. When Kreia used a force power, Exile got it as well, and vice versa. And other stuff. It sounds too big for even Kreia to handle.

that one was funny

Good point... maybe because it was modified for three people or something... The basilisk still looked cool, though, in spite the fact it doesnt look like a droid at all. I expected a large protocol droid with guns

He is so annoying, unliked and insignificant that Exile doesnt pay attention to him, no one does. That way he can spy for the republic all he likes, and no one ever notices.

No vote for her being weak? Yes, Handmaiden is weak. I wont stop claiming that. I'm still all up for Mira, jabbing me with a Bothan Stunner, starving me for two or three days to make me open to suggestions, then double-check my bounty. Mira loves her targets Handmaiden is just a silly little Atris-wannabe.

The cavalry will try to explain it The Exile easily forms bonds with people around him (Willy-Nilly ), feeling the weight of their lives on him (probably not as strong as his bond with Kreia, though). When all the Mandalorians and Republicans died on Malachor V, the Exile felt it. All those deaths were like a scream in the force, that was too powerful for the Exile because of his bonds. It was so powerful he couldnt hear the force through it, and it threatened to kill him, so he cut himself off from the force to survive. The point is, the Exile didnt just block himself from the force, he cut himself so completely that the Force was connected to him at all. The Force flows through all living beings, but no longer through the Exile. That makes him a wound in the force, like stripping a piece of skin from a guy's arm. Other Jedi didnt face what the Exile did, since they dont make such bonds. They all either died, or joined the dark side by following Revan. I think Revan was corrupting Jedi during the Mandalorian Wars, and probably using the war itself to corrupt them like that. It's obvious though, from what Kreia says, that he is using some ancient Sith site of Dark Power to corrupt them. Whether that site is Malachor V stands in question, since the planet is on constant danger of being sent into a gravinational oblivion - so maybe Revan left Malachor when he intended to destroy it, or maybe he used a different but similiar site. As for Exile, for whatever reason (when I played LS, Kreia says it's because he was afraid, but I dont know about DS), left Revan, the Wars and the Force. Because the Exile was a dead spot in the Force, where it's will can be denied, Kreia decided to train him and make him powerful. Kreia's true intent is very vague, however. Atris claims she wants to make everyone deaf to the force, and end all life as a result, but that could be just a lie Kreia made her believe in so she will send Exile after her to Malachor V. Kreia herself never mentions any plans of making everyone deaf to the force, even though she'd really like that to happen. I think she knew well enough it was beyond her abilities to defean the galaxies to the force, no matter how much she wanted it. As I understand, her only goal was to train the Exile with her own teachings. Kreia mentions after her defeat on Trayus that the Exile has done all that she wanted him to - It's all about the Exile, as the living example of defying the Force. Destroying the Sith and the Jedi does not mean destroying the Force and Kreia should've known that well enough - whatever reason she had to use the Exile to destroy the Sith and Jedi was not to destroy the Force, she's not a fool. In short, Kreia's ultimate goal was teaching the Exile, someone who was free from the Force. She loved the Exile because he was not bound to the Force's will, and focused everything she did on him.