Favourite Development Language & Enviroment

Diamond · April 22, 2007

So then i decided to look at C++ and i realised that it was almost exactly like the script we use in game modding. the layout is the same and most of the functions.

Do not be fooled be the similarity of syntactic elements. C++ has a lot of details that you do not usually care about in a scripting language.

I was wondering, which one would be better to learn out of C++ or Perl?

And what do you want?

glovemaster · April 22, 2007

And what do you want?

Well, at the stage i am at i dont actually want anything. Just to learn a programming language for future use or out of interest. I suppose i should ask, which one is the easyer to learn would you say? and which one could i do more with?

Edited April 22, 2007 by glovemaster

Diamond · April 22, 2007

Perl is definitely easier. You can find plenty of tutorials around the net, as well as Perl Cookbook which is helpful for standard tasks.

You can also try writing CGI scripts in Perl for some variety.

glovemaster · April 22, 2007

okay then, thank you! I'll look at the links you posted.

Thanks again!

~gm

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · April 22, 2007

Perl is not as useful...

I would actually recommend Java.

And I actually dislike Java.

Diamond · April 23, 2007

Perl is not as useful...

You, sir, are wrong.

glovemaster · April 23, 2007

I have just had a look at java and its even more familiar, layout-wise, as it uses "void" and similar functions to KotOR's script syntax.

I will be happy to make the effort to learn a more difficult programming language. Which would you say i could do more with? I've seen Perl Tk scripts with a graphical interface and Executable Java files. I would be more tempted to learn java from the programs i have seen but which do you suggest?

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · April 23, 2007

Perl is not as useful...

You, sir, are wrong.

Am I... and why is that?

Seriously, perl has it's place, but it's pointless for a newb to even bother with it, Java is far superior as a first language.

Diamond · April 24, 2007

Seriously, perl has it's place, but it's pointless for a newb to even bother with it, Java is far superior as a first language.

A lot of beginners have trouble with the concept of object-oriented programming, that's why our first year university programming course is going to switch from Java to Python (I personally have been marking a lot of really terrible Java code). Java is a good object-oriented application programming language, but procedural thinking should be set straight first. And Perl is very good to hack together useful and usable things quickly, just what a newbie wants. I'm not advocating Perl as "the one and the only", but given a choice between the two, I'd go for Perl first.

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · April 24, 2007

I suppose we have a difference of opinion, as I suppose intention of use is always key for me.

I generally take the opinion of, is it useful for making a game (perl is useful for making tools, python is aswell, especially file conversion), but the core needs for me are simply, how useful is the language for making a game?

I'm often in two minds about BASIC languages being a good option for newb's, on the one hand it's easy to get something off the ground quickly, but a pain in the ass to build anything of substancial weight.

No language is bad, not even brainf**k, as it has a potential purpose, so it's more a matter of taste. Also perl looks pretty ugly.

Edited April 24, 2007 by @\NightandtheShape/@

Humodour · April 25, 2007

My favourite languages:

Machine/Assembly (There's just something awesome about having absolute control over the machine - especially when you can embed it in C)

Haskell (The purest functional language around, and a joy for maths majors like me!)

C++ (For practical stuff)

Java (Some fun things to do in jaba and it is a relatively 'neat' language)

Python (Just learning this, but seems VERY powerful and uses whitespace instead of punctuation, like Haskell)

I use Bloodshed Dev C++ for a lot of stuff on windows (even non C stuff). I am too lazy to install Crimson Editor.

On Linux I use Kate - an awesome editor.

I haven't really done much practical stuff yet. I'm in my second year of Computer Science/Applied Maths at the Australian National University. Mostly focusing on Software/Hardware interaction, distributed systems and computation (algorithms for solving maths problems, often using linear algebra, mainly).

Even so, I actually just want to be a graphics programmer.

P.S.: Perl sucks. Go Python!

Diamond · April 25, 2007

No language is bad, not even brainf**k, as it has a potential purpose, so it's more a matter of taste. Also perl looks pretty ugly.

I think templated C++ wins the award here.

P.S.: Perl sucks. Go Python!

NO U!

/Perl fanboy

Edited April 25, 2007 by Diamond

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · April 25, 2007

C++ can be beautiful, when done correctly, it flows, in a loveable fashion.

Diamond · April 26, 2007

I recommend that you to take a look in STL headers (in include/c++/<version>/bits/).

karka · April 27, 2007

What is wrong with the STL? It's a great library.

Diamond · April 27, 2007

STL is excellent, when you use it. But if you look in the internal headers, you can see how hairy they are. I mean, they are still pretty wonderful, just ugly (since we are talking about ugliness here).

AnthonyD · April 27, 2007

C++ for me, though I am really starting to come around to C# for either tools or rapid prototyping.

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · April 30, 2007

C++ for me, though I am really starting to come around to C# for either tools or rapid prototyping.

I've grown very very fond of C#.

Ellester · May 1, 2007

VB.net, C# and MS SQL Server 2005, just because they are so much easier to program with.

Diamond · May 20, 2007

Resurrection time.

The following program is valid in EIGHT programming languages:

COBOL (ANSI)
Pascal (ISO)
Fortran (ANSI, f77)
C (ANSI-ish)
PostScript
Linux/Unix shell script (bash, sh, csh)
x86 machine language (MS-DOS, Win32, Linux)
Perl (version 5)

True insanity.

                                                                        (*O/*_/
Cu  #%* )pop mark/CuG 4 def/# 2 def%%%%@@P[TX---P\P_SXPY!Ex(mx2ex("SX!Ex4P)Ex=
CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
CuG #%*------------------------------------------------------------------*+Ex=
CuG #%*   POLYGLOT - a program in eight languages      15 February 1991  *+Ex=
CuG #%*   10th Anniversary Edition                      1 December 2001  *+Ex=
CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
CuG #%*   Written by Kevin Bungard, Peter Lisle, and Chris Tham          *+Ex=
CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
CuG #%*   Polyglot suports the following languages:                      *+Ex=
CuG #%*     1. COBOL (ANSI)                                              *+Ex=
CuG #%*     2. Pascal (ISO)                                              *+Ex=
CuG #%*     3. Fortran (ANSI, f77)                                       *+Ex=
CuG #%*     4. C (ANSI-ish)                                              *+Ex=
CuG #%*     5. PostScript                                                *+Ex=
CuG #%*     6. Linux/Unix shell script (bash, sh, csh)                   *+Ex=
CuG #%*     7. x86 machine language (MS-DOS, Win32, Linux)               *+Ex=
CuG #%*     8. Perl (version 5)                                          *+Ex=
CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
CuG #%*   Usage:                                                         *+Ex=
CuG #%*     1. Rename this file to polyglot.[cob|pas|f77|c|ps|sh|com|pl] *+Ex=
CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
CuG #%*     2. Compile and run with your favorite compiler and operating *+Ex=
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CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
CuG #%*   Notes:                                                         *+Ex=
CuG #%*     1. We have attempted to use only standard language features. *+Ex=
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CuG #%*     2. Without the -traditional flag gcc will issue a warning.   *+Ex=
CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
CuG #%*     3. When transferring from Unix to DOS make sure that a LF    *+Ex=
CuG #%*        is correctly translated into a CR/LF.                     *+Ex=
CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
CuG #%*     4. Keep the blank lines at the start of the program. They    *+Ex=
CuG #%*        are important.                                            *+Ex=
CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
CuG #%*     5. This text is a comment block in all eight languages.      *+Ex=
CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
CuG #%*   Please mail any comments, corrections or additions to          *+Ex=
CuG #%*   polyglot@ideology.com.au                                       *+Ex=
CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
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CuG #%*                                                                  *+Ex=
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CuG #(*                                                                  *(
C   # */);                                                              /*(
C   # *)  program        polyglot (output);                             (*+
C   #     identification division.
C   #     program-id.    polyglot.
C   #
C   #     data           division.
C   #     procedure      division.
C   #
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C   # *                                                                 (
C   #
C   # *                  hello polyglots$
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C  /# * ) 2>_$$; echo   "hello polyglots"; rm _$$; exit;
C   # * (
C   #
C     *0 ) unless print "hello polyglots\n"; __END__
             print
C             stop run.
    -*,                'hello polyglots'
C
C         print.
C             display   "hello polyglots".                              (
C     */  int i;                                                        /*
C     */  main () {                                                     /*
C     */      i=printf ("hello polyglots\n"); O= &i; return *O;         /*
C     *)                                                                (*
C     *)  begin                                                         (*
C     *)      writeln  ('hello polyglots');                             (*
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C     *)
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See Polyglot.

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · May 21, 2007

INSANE!

metadigital · May 22, 2007

It'd probably work in SnOboL, too.

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · May 22, 2007

How long you been coding Meta?

metadigital · May 24, 2007

Well, I haven't actually programmed a punch-card reader, I have been given instructions ...

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · May 24, 2007

Well, I haven't actually programmed a punch-card reader, I have been given instructions ...

So basically.... A very very very long time LOL

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