alanschu Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Well, I was under the impression that the term spawned from Germany's use for it, so I've always likened it to Fascism when the title fascism just wasn't extreme enough. More like fascism++ The description you said makes sense if you analyze both the words. It's just the only context I have ever seen National Socialist used was with the National Socialist party in 1930s Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Yes, and likewise for me. But I'm merely saying that, unofficially, that's pretty much what the parties are. Without the whole WW2 fascism, holocaust thing, of course. But I'd never call them nazies, as that is a word linked to the national socialists Germany in ww2, whom as you say probably didn't have anything to do with the context of the name at all. DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Stupid governments not actually using standardized terms. I've actually had someone claim that China was a republic, because it was the People's Republic of China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 That's pretty LOL Oh and btw. a little fun fact, when this party I voted for blasted its way into a position of power in the election of 2001, the majority of the new voters came from the, at the time, biggest party in parliament namely the social democrats. DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 How long as the current government been in power in Sweden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surreptishus Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Most of the last 70 years. The current prime minister has served 3 terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I'd vote for change just because it's change. I'm curious how "right wing" the right-wing conservatives really would be. I mean, the Democrats in the USA are considered left-wing, but plant them in Sweden and they'd probably be hardcore conservative fundamentalists. The more left-wing party (excluding the marginal, actual left-wing party the NDP) of Canada is the Liberal Party, but they're still more on the right of the spectrum. I'm betting that the Right-Wing party of Sweden would be seen as almost Communist over in the USA. Maybe not. The problem I find with governments that stay in power too long is that they start to get the feeling that they can do whatever they want and people will still vote for them. Albertans vote rightwing all the time, probably more as a response to the fact that they didn't like the more left-wing federal government. As a result, our provincial government is less accountable IMO, because people are so anti-Liberal that they'll vote conservative regardless. There's little reason (outside of some responsibility that I hope they all have) to listen to the electorate. If a government has been in power for 70 years (or at least a good chunk of it, without a break in recent years), it might be good to vote them out just to let them know that they still need to make sure they hold the country's best interests at heart. I think it's also bad because people seem to have no idea what the other government party will be like. So then they continue to vote the incumbent because it's the enemy they know. The same thing happens here in Canada. There were people that figured things would go to absolute **** if the Conservatives were voted into power. Despite the fact that investigations by the auditor general showed serious misdealings and mismanagement with money in recent years with the previous government (that had been in power from 1993 to 2004), people still thought that things would be so bad with the Conservatives that they'd rather put up with the misuse of public funds. In fact, I think Oerwinde (a guy that was against the Conservatives getting into power) actually made a post on these forums commenting his surprise that things didn't go immediately down the drain when Stephen Harper became Prime Minister. Unfortunately, I think the silly smear campaigns of the Liberals really did an excellent job of painting the Conservatives in a horrible light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 There! I've cast my vote! 5 minutes after the voting chamber opened, I was there. We were only 5-6 people in there so I guess I was one of the first in the country to vote. It always makes me happy when I go to vote and I see young people, old people and strange people. I dont care what they vote for, I'm just glad that they care enough to vote. It makes me feel like our swedish democracy is working. We used to have up to 90% of the people voting, but in recent years it has dropped to around 80%. I don't know why, but I would hate to see Sweden become another US, where less than 50% votes. I don't want to live in a country where people don't care. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They should make early votes worth more! A sliding scale! First votes worth 10:1, and the last votes worth a fraction! That'll get people voting early ... (and completely ignoring voting if they are unavoidably delayed ... ) OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I'm having a hard time finding out just how right wing the swedish "alliancen" really is, because from what I've read they seem to be very pro immigration, which is hardly a right wing trait. DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted September 17, 2006 Author Share Posted September 17, 2006 (edited) Its 40min to the closing of the vote, the count wont be complete until midnight(GMT+1) but it looks like there will be a change of goverment I'd vote for change just because it's change. And that's what I did today. It may have been a horrible mistake which may very well make things even worse and increase the gap between poor and rich. Most of all Im sceptial against the right wings ideas of solving the problem with cues to healthcare by privatizing healthcare, which would mean only the middle and upper classes would be able to afford it. But G Edited September 17, 2006 by Kaftan Barlast DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 If the people of Sweden love their health care that much, and the right-wingers actually want to stay in power, I doubt they'll make too many drastic changes to it. However, it is possible that another party looking over it could help weed out some systemic inefficiencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted September 17, 2006 Author Share Posted September 17, 2006 (edited) Theyre doing the preliminary estimate now, the left wing is losing. The Social democrats went from 39% in the 2002 p.e to 34% now overall estimate: 46,7% Leftwing - Rightwing 48,6% Edited September 17, 2006 by Kaftan Barlast DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigboy2 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Its now seven days to the Swedish elections which will decide if we get a new goverment or go with the old one. The problem is that we've got two bad things to choose from. The situation looks like this: Left Wing: Has ruled Sweden for the majority of the 20th century up until now, with scattered 4 year periods of rightwing goverment. Their tactic is to simply sit and wait while everything goes downhill because change can make the situation even worse. Essentially a conservative view. Right Wing: Will make reforms if elected but many of those will be classic rightwing "bad moves" like privatising healthcare and lowering taxes that we cant afford to go any lower. My dilemma is wether to vote for the Right Wing and hope that things will get better since the left wing wont do anything, OR to vote for a smaller party that I can stand behind but that has no chance of even getting into parlament. What do you suggest? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Vote Nader, just because you feel sorry for him. But I really doubt he'll be on Sweedish polls, but just creat an extra box and write his name next to it. "Your total disregard for the law and human decency both disgusts me and touches my heart. Bless you, sir." "Soilent Green is people. This guy's just a homeless heroin junkie who got in a internet caf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkpoint Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 According to Aftonbladet the left wing is in the lead, but according to Swedish television the right wing is leading. It's exciting if anything. I voted left. ^Yes, that is a good observation, Checkpoint. /God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Depends on how you see it. In Sweden a lot of the research and preservation of cultural "treasures" is funded by the government. Different institutions get different fixed budgets every year, to make sure that our history, our art, our heritage etc. isn't lost in time. Since they have fixed budgets, they have become very stagnant. The same group of people work there for 40 years, until they retire (or die) and then they hire someone new. Even if a new field of research pops up, it will be very difficult to integrate it with the existing personnel because of the stagnation. I've had to help old ladies read their email because they just don't know which buttons to push. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> wait... you swedes have a cultural history? I thought you were a bunch of freeloaders off of the rest of europe... you know like a resort village or somthing that became way to powerful to be a part of sombody else so you just partied by yourselves. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Weee, goodbye to Persson and his whiny regime of reds! DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkpoint Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Persson is a dude I won't miss. The only good thing about Reinfeldt is that he supports the right football team. ^Yes, that is a good observation, Checkpoint. /God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted September 17, 2006 Author Share Posted September 17, 2006 The right wing won. I hope I made the right choice DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 You do realise, Kaftan, that IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT! OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted September 17, 2006 Author Share Posted September 17, 2006 Yeh. What the Kaft wants, the Kaft gets. " DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkpoint Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I must say that I'm just a wee bit curious and excited about what happens now. I'm afraid my excitement will have turned into disbelief soon enough, though. ^Yes, that is a good observation, Checkpoint. /God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surreptishus Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 By right wing you mean the centre-right parties... led by the Moderate Party. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Well, they ARE a bunch of commies ... OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 They're not very right wing, even by euro standards. That's pretty scary. DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Yeah, the lead party is pretty commie actually. Too bad Reinfeldt is anything but a interesting statesman. kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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