Lucius Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) Well Ros and I differ on this subject, no doubt about that. I think it was vital that we had a change of government in 2001, not that I think this government is perfect, but it was the lesser of the two evils to be sure... but as for Sweden I'd just like to see Persson GTF outta office for good. However, can one of the resident swedes tell me if I am correct in the assumption that the right wingers in sweden wants to have less immigration laws? I'm not sure where I read it, anyhow if that is so it sounds a bit strange from our pow. And you're right Kaffy, sverigedemokraterne as well as dansk folkeparti are national socialists, they just can't say that they are because having that political mindset (a nationalistic socialist*) has been ruined by the horrors of the nazi regime in WWII Germany... Just as numerous old commie parties can't exactly call themselves commie, red this and that anymore either, they changed their names to something more subtle or hippie like. But the fact of the matter is that both are synonymous with mass killings of civilians and tyrannical regimes. The only real difference is that most often showing communist icons is widely accepted while similar icons of national socialism is considered outrageous, which I think is the peak of hypocrisy. Note; I think both are abominable and should not be tolerated as some sort of public praise (Soviet T-shirts anyone?) *Weren't the Soviets pretty nationalist for a communist nation? I mean "Great Patriotic War"... c'mon! Edited September 10, 2006 by Lucius DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Launch Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 If you are truly going to have problems deciding who to vote for then I suggest the tried and tested method of "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe" when presented with the ballot paper [color=gray][i]OO-TINI![/i][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted September 10, 2006 Author Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) However, can one of the resident swedes tell me if I am correct in the assumption that the right wingers in sweden wants to have less immigration laws? I'm not sure where I read it, anyhow if that is so it sounds a bit strange from our pow. Swedish politicians are too PC to touch the immigration question, so what we get is very vague. I dont believe any of the major parties will change anything with regards to immigration. Folkpartiet caused a big fuss about demanding that Immigrants take a basic swedsh language class or lose their wellfare money, what they failed to say is that we've already got this in the majority of kommuner/regions/municipals/buroughs. Our problem, as with every other country, is not immigration but migration. Economical migration. Companies are outsourcing everything to southeast asia and no one is doing a damn thing about it even though tens of thousand of people lose their jobs every year because of it. Entire cities become crippled as 60% of the population becomes unemployed when the local Ericsson factory closes. And we just sit by and watch while they drill holes in the bottom of our boat. Edited September 10, 2006 by Kaftan Barlast DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Hee hee: Kaftan's economic policies ... :D Kaftie, start your own party! Seriously. There was a guy in Australia who started his own party. He got a lot of air time on tv, because he only had one plank to his platform. Whenever he was asked a question, he'd just blurt it out: Free BEER! OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 I can't tell you guys who to vote for (hell, vote conservative) but I can tell you to be glad you don't live in America. Things are only getting worse here, politics-wise. Join me, and we shall make Production Beards a reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colrom Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Where is the SA when you need em. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Very Bad! As dark is the absence of light, so evil is the absence of good. If you would destroy evil, do good. Evil cannot be perfected. Thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hee hee: Kaftan's economic policies ... :D Kaftie, start your own party! Seriously. There are already hundreds if not thousands of small parties already, but the 4% rule effectively stops them from gaining a foothold in the parliament. If you want to change anything politicly, you need to join one of the big parties and attempt to drive your own agenda in a sneaky and clandestine way DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hee hee: Kaftan's economic policies ... :D Kaftie, start your own party! Seriously. There was a guy in Australia who started his own party. He got a lot of air time on tv, because he only had one plank to his platform. Whenever he was asked a question, he'd just blurt it out: Free BEER! I wonder if I should tell what an independend danish politician (and comedian) once got elected for :"> As in really truly elected and spent some years in parliament... “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Where is the SA when you need em. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Very Bad! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hehe hey, I always respond to communist praise with something from the completely opposite side, it's only fair. As for independent, well we once had a folk singer (of sorts) elected into parliament, a few of the things he promised was free beer, and more tailwind for road bikes. DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atreides Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Isn't the point of the democracy to vote in the people you like? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ain't surprising. Personally I think Kerry should have run as Kerry and not "not-Bush". Spreading beauty with my katana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nartwak Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 He thought 'not-Bush' would be a more popular platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 How many people voted in that election anyway? Was it more than 50% of those eligible? DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I don't think that many can read ... :ph34r: OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 more people voted on American Idol .. just wait, in a few years it won't be debates and money that decides who get's to be president .. but who is most willing to make a fool of themselves in national TV .. oh wait.. Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmonarch Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Hee hee: Kaftan's economic policies ... :D Kaftie, start your own party! Seriously. There are already hundreds if not thousands of small parties already, but the 4% rule effectively stops them from gaining a foothold in the parliament. If you want to change anything politicly, you need to join one of the big parties and attempt to drive your own agenda in a sneaky and clandestine way <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Then coalesce all of the small parties into one monster party. Sure, they'd have to work out their own differences, but as long as they are reasonably aligned, they should pose quite a threat to the established majorities. And I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad The dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazplm Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 wish i was 18 so i could vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkreku Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 There! I've cast my vote! 5 minutes after the voting chamber opened, I was there. We were only 5-6 people in there so I guess I was one of the first in the country to vote. It always makes me happy when I go to vote and I see young people, old people and strange people. I dont care what they vote for, I'm just glad that they care enough to vote. It makes me feel like our swedish democracy is working. We used to have up to 90% of the people voting, but in recent years it has dropped to around 80%. I don't know why, but I would hate to see Sweden become another US, where less than 50% votes. I don't want to live in a country where people don't care. Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 (edited) I have to vote red/left! My job depends on it! If the righties win, they will undo everything the lefties have accomplished. I was hired through ACCESS, which is a project to give unemployed academics (those who have a degree from a university) jobs. I got this great job through that project and I'm afraid that if the "wrong" party wins the elections, I'll lose it! HELP HELP. I guess it's G Edited September 17, 2006 by alanschu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkreku Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I am being paid by the government. I sign work contracts for one year at a time. The project I am working on is supposed to take at least three years, which means I would have a permanent job by the end of the period (you are legally bound to offer a person a position within your company if he/she has worked long enough for you in like projects, consulting etc.). If the wrong party wins, they will say "this project is a failure" (which it isn't) just because they did not start it themselves, and they will cancel it. It sucks. Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I made an edit, so I figured I'd bring it to your attention. To retouch on it though, it sounds like your job was more of a "make work" proposal simply because you were a University graduate. If that is the case, I can't see how it's actually a good thing for your country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkreku Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Depends on how you see it. In Sweden a lot of the research and preservation of cultural "treasures" is funded by the government. Different institutions get different fixed budgets every year, to make sure that our history, our art, our heritage etc. isn't lost in time. Since they have fixed budgets, they have become very stagnant. The same group of people work there for 40 years, until they retire (or die) and then they hire someone new. Even if a new field of research pops up, it will be very difficult to integrate it with the existing personnel because of the stagnation. I've had to help old ladies read their email because they just don't know which buttons to push. Anyhow, the government realized the problem and started a project called Access. It's basically a big pile of money that these institutions can apply for, and use to hire new, competent people. Because of a very weird budget system (don't get me started on that one..) they haven't had money to hire new people for years, so Access is actually working very well in this regard. It gives unemployed academics a foothold in institutions that until recently have been very closed. And it gives institutions that have been extremely stagnant access (hah!) to new competence and a new cast of members. Win-win situation. Besides, Sweden is a fairly rich country (fortunately) so we can afford to spend money on non-commercial interests. Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Alan, it's simply a social democrat (or similar) with very patriotic views on other issues, they are pro welfare state, pro bigger police force/military, pro harder sentences, and against immigration etc. I should know, I've voted for them (for better or worse) once. Well, as for my commie remark, it was simply meant as a jab against all the reds in europe who moan about the growing patriotic/nationalist trend in some nations, yet whenever their own commie masters has seized power in the past, it turned out to be anything but unpatriotic. DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I'm not against "non-commercial" interests. I don't consider the funding that my own country and province (which is Alberta, king of the right wing in all of Canada) in terms of cultural heritage and whatnot as being mere "make work" jobs either (the previous federal governments creation of 50,000 overpasses in the Atlantic to create work for seasonal workers is the boondoggle). Especially when investment into cultural heritage can also have positive effects for things such as Nationalism (if on the national scale, like you are talking about), and can be used for educational purposes. They also can potentially provide tourist revenue. How old are you talking about for these old employees that still have their jobs, despite no longer really being able to function in them? Why do they still have those jobs? Essentially, the "make work" isn't so much your job, but rather the job of the person that you have to show how to use their email. I can understand that there could be positive side effects to keeping someone employed rather than letting them go. Even if welfare is good enough for them to live on, there's feelings of pride in maintaining a job, and shame in losing it, regardless of whether you are still taken care of. However, is it in the best interests of the country to be doing so? It sounds like they are paying someone to have you show them how to do their job. Perhaps incentives should be provided for those that are able to accomplish competency in the tasks they need to require. I guess this would suck for you as you'd be out of a job since these people would be competent. But then the government could use the money that would have been invested into a job where you (or them, if they couldn't develop competency) aren't overlapping with someone else's job. I guess your job could be the one that develops competency in the older people, in which case that wouldn't be so bad. By the sounds of things though, I wouldn't worry about you losing your job, but rather the person that no longer has the competency to do their job correctly that you are training. Also, I'm a big fan of making sure governments rotate occassionally. I'm pretty right-wing (though I don't feel left-wing is bad, just not a perspective that I feel is best), but I'm still going to vote for the more left-wing Liberal party in our next Provincial Election. The right-wing conservative party has been in power for like 3 decades or something stupid, and change is as good as the rest. And despite my preference in right-wing fiscal policies, I'm a huge supporter of full universal education and health care. Just thought I'd toss that in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Alan, it's simply a social democrat (or similar) with very patriotic views on other issues, they are pro welfare state, pro bigger police force/military, pro harder sentences, and against immigration etc. See, I would hardly call the Nazi Party as being anything similar to a social democrat. But wasn't the term essentially invented because they referred to themselves as National Socialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 (edited) It wasn't my intention to compare them to the national socialists of WW2, I was just trying to say that using that name as the titel of your political mindset doesn't fly due to how ruined the name has become. But doesn't it make sense, though? A nationalist/patriot, but at the same time with a somewhat social democratic mindset on welfare issues. I can't think of another name that would really fit this sort of politic. In sweden they still call them nazies I think (or racists, if they're feeling jolly), they're a little behind on the whole letting the right wing have a say and all. Indeed the time for change over there is way overdue. Edited September 17, 2006 by Lucius DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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