France Upholds Law That Smooths History

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Shadowpaladin, it is not our place to judge or to interfere with other cultures unless they have been proven to cause us direct harm.  Iraq had no way to cause any harmto US citizens on US soil.  Instead of using our resources, which would have been better spent securing Afganistan and finding Osama, we could have left Iraq to the UN.  Certainly the UN was overall ineffective but it did contain Saddam for the most part.

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Well thats certainly one view.

 

However that wasnt what was under discussion. Rather it was what could possibly be worse than than the "system" Iraq had before.

 

Whether or not there is an obligation to go around doing that is a whole other matter. Normally the UN employ sanctions, but santions like reperations punish the innocent and not the guilty.

 

On the brightside if your a believer in the whole collective crime thing like Azarkon does , then there is no such thing as a civilian casualty or an innocent since none of them stood up to take down Saddam they all share the guilt of his crimes.

Not something I can personally comprehend , but kind of handy if you happen to be a bit innacurate with your shooting.

[Judge Hades]

I don't believe in collective crime. Each individual is responsible for his or her own actions. No more and no less. That is what gets me about the whole prison scandal and how they pinned it pretty much down on one private. Sure she was responsbile for her actions but so are the ones who gave the order and set the policy in which allowed such actions that took place. Everyone is equally responsible. From the lowliest private to the Commander and Chief.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

I don't believe in collective crime.  Each individual is responsible for his or her own actions.  No more and no less.  That is what gets me about the whole prison scandal and how they pinned it pretty much down on one private.  Sure she was responsbile for her actions but so are the ones who gave the order and set the policy in which allowed such actions that took place.  Everyone is equally responsible.  From the lowliest private to the Commander and Chief.

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Me either , but you probably gathered that from this thread.

 

I doubt disobeying such an order would get you shot in the American army, it might get you court martialed of course but you would likely get off.

 

Unless they directly ordered her to carry out those actions they are not responsible since they can only be responsible for their own actions. So you kind of contradicted yourself there a bit.

[Judge Hades]

She was ordered to interrogate and humiliate the prisoners and she carried out those orders to the best of her ability without any proper training in such matters. She is responsible for her actions just as much as her superiors are responsible for the orders and her training. Both are equally guilty and both should be equally punished.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

She was ordered to interrogate and humiliate the prisoners and she carried out those orders to the best of her ability without any proper training in such matters.  She is responsible for her actions just as much as her superiors are responsible for the orders and her training.  Both are equally guilty and both should be equally punished.

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Thats a strange order. Interogate makes perfect sense of course, but it would be unlikely that an order to humilate anyone would be given non verbally.

 

Not so sure about that.

 

If I told you to fix something and you didnt know exactly how would you try to do it and possibly **** it up or would you ask for a more experienced person to be sent ?

[Gabrielle]

Nuke the site from orbit.  That's the only way to be sure.  (w00t)

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Someone mentioned nukes?

[Judge Hades]

In the miltary you dso not ask, you do. That is the mentality they teach you basic training. Complete conformity and not to ask questions. As the old saying goes "You are not there to practice democracy, but to protect it." For some reason that always seemed an odd saying.

[Walsingham]

There's nowt odd about it. Nor is being a soldier as much about being a blind automaton as many people would have us believe. This assertion should not hold water for the simple reason that some of our best posters here have been servicemen.

 

But is any of this still related to French History?

[Judge Hades]

Well, they to conform.

 

Conform in they all run away! BWAAHAAAHAAAA!

 

Anyway, that is what the military training teaches. Not everyone learns it however. It is one of the many reasons why I didn't get along with my command.

[Walsingham]

Not all militaries teach the same way. yes, most succesful ones require obedience under crisis, or under fire. But many democratic armies assume that the soldier deserves as much of an explanation as there is time for.

[Judge Hades]

You haven't been in the US military, have you?