alanschu Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 EDIT: Continued from here Is it choice or not? It's not a freaking choice, when did you 'chose' to be what you are? I wonder, try to switch your sexuality tonight and tell me how it worked out for you tomorrow. I think you underestimate 'choice' as being something that you always consciously decide. If you wanted to go all Behaviourist, one could argue that there's no such thing as "choice." Lucius, how do you feel people become homosexual then?
Musopticon? Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Oh, this can't end well. But do try. kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds
Walsingham Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 I have no beef how people become homosexual. I happen to feel its beyond the individual's control, but as I say I don't care. "Why?" I hear you cry. "Why do you not care?" Because how a person chooses to get their consensual kicks is hardly important. You may as well ask "Why does a person like blondes?" Or "Why does John Prescott like beer?" Or rather, that these are valid questions, but should be asked in a spirit of friendly enquiry, not censorship. I think that in a world like ours, where there are people hell bent on causing suffering to others it is a shame to examine overmuch the motivations of those who do not. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
Kaftan Barlast Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Ive had lots of experience with homo- and bisexuals and it seems to me that there is a scale to it. There are those who've known it instinctively since they were kids and there are those who just seem to end up in it. There are also a huge number who have had occasional homosexual flings and then decided it wasnt for them. And there's those who do it because it is/was trendy, theyll never admit it but I know its true. I know atleast three of them. Personally I dont understand how anyone, man or woman, can be attracted to men :D DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
Lucius Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 How the hell should I know, what makes people become straight? I can tell you one thing though, I personally can't 'change' my sexual preference, nor have I ever made a 'choice'. Lets see how many people post on this thread chose to be what they are today, can I get a first? DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
julianw Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 I think most of homosexuality is due to genetics, so it's not wrong for a person to be homosexual. Most of them don't have the choice. But just because homosexuality is in our nature does not make it natural. Some people are also born with only one arm. We don't blame them for being unnatural and different. Instead, we try to help them. As for homosexuality, it is definitely unhealthy for the body and unnatural. If you know homosexuality well enough, you would know how many health issues come with it. I can understand homosexuals' desire to be accepted by society and not wanting to feel inferior because they themselves did nothing wrong. But I also understand why many people feel that homosexuality is nothing to be proud of.
Lucius Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 What health problems are those, I wonder? Do list them here. DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
Rosbjerg Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 I think most of homosexuality is due to genetics, so it's not wrong for a person to be homosexual. Most of them don't have the choice.But just because homosexuality is in our nature does not make it natural. Some people are also born with only one arm. We don't blame them for being unnatural and different. Instead, we try to help them. As for homosexuality, it is definitely unhealthy for the body and unnatural. If you know homosexuality well enough, you would know how many health issues come with it. I can understand homosexuals' desire to be accepted by society and not wanting to feel inferior because they themselves did nothing wrong. But I also understand why many people feel that homosexuality is nothing to be proud of. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well .. born without an arm and born being homosexual is two worlds apart! since homosexuality is not a handicap last I heard.. and health issues? there are just as many health issues with heterosexuals having anal sex .. although I think such issues should be adressed and public awarness raised (about health issues with anal sex in general).. nothing wrong with doing it, but take repercussions .. Fortune favors the bald.
Musopticon? Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 I can see Rosjberg. Welcome back I too would like to know the so-called "health problems". kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds
metadigital Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Ive had lots of experience with homo- and bisexuals and it seems to me that there is a scale to it. There are those who've known it instinctively since they were kids and there are those who just seem to end up in it. There are also a huge number who have had occasional homosexual flings and then decided it wasnt for them. And there's those who do it because it is/was trendy, theyll never admit it but I know its true. I know atleast three of them. Personally I dont understand how anyone, man or woman, can be attracted to men :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ha ha, I couldn't agree more. Fortunately for the species, women tend to not share this opinion. (At least not at the moment; once they perfect the encattlement of men, then I foresee a different future for the human race.) latest research OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
alanschu Posted July 22, 2005 Author Posted July 22, 2005 You'll find that homosexuality is often a reflection of environment. They're more often located in locations such as overpopulation and whatnot. There's an increased predisposition towards homosexual activity (and experimentation) when overpopulation is combined with a socially restricting stigma. The patterns are also shared in species outside of human beings. I would wager that homosexuality is not necessarily genetics, since there's little correlation between a homosexual having relatives that are homosexual as well. I would think the environment has a lot more to do with it. And for some that have experimented both ways, I'd say it is choice. I would suspect that a lot of our notions of "choice" are influenced by our perceptions of homosexuality. And depending on what you would classify as homosexuality, there's certainly choice available. Is there anything really stopping us, aside from our perceptions about homosexuality and the sociological upbringing we had and all these environmental constraints, from having sex with someone of the same sex?
Draken Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 I don't believe there is a problem with being of the homosexual variety. A person's sexual prefrences are nobody's business but their own! Some of my friends are gay, or bisexual. If people could get over the fact that, yeah, some men like men and some women like women, I think the world would be better off. As for AIDS? I'll let you guys discuss that. Seriously, only like, three people can touch my body
Musopticon? Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 A combination of genetics and enviromental reasons sounds plausible. As in: "I'm not gay yet" kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds
Lucius Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Does that mean that you tried to change your sexual preference since we last posted? If so, how did it go? As for your overpopulation thesis, perhaps, just perhaps, gays and lesbians might get drawn to big cities because the people of said cities are more open to their sexual orintation than the small town provinces they're trying to escape. DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
alanschu Posted July 22, 2005 Author Posted July 22, 2005 As for your overpopulation thesis, perhaps, just perhaps, gays and lesbians might get drawn to big cities because the people of said cities are more open to their sexual orintation than the small town provinces they're trying to escape. Except that the patterns can be also be found in animals other than humans.
metadigital Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 You'll find that homosexuality is often a reflection of environment. They're more often located in locations such as overpopulation and whatnot. There's an increased predisposition towards homosexual activity (and experimentation) when overpopulation is combined with a socially restricting stigma. The patterns are also shared in species outside of human beings. I would wager that homosexuality is not necessarily genetics, since there's little correlation between a homosexual having relatives that are homosexual as well. I would think the environment has a lot more to do with it. And for some that have experimented both ways, I'd say it is choice. I would suspect that a lot of our notions of "choice" are influenced by our perceptions of homosexuality. And depending on what you would classify as homosexuality, there's certainly choice available. Is there anything really stopping us, aside from our perceptions about homosexuality and the sociological upbringing we had and all these environmental constraints, from having sex with someone of the same sex? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, current research suggests that there is more than one "gay" gene. The current theory is that these genes give various advantages to the bearers, such as better empathy, for example, and that only the agglomeration of many of these "gay" genes makes a person "gay". There is also reason to believe that it is down to the endocrimal amniotic mixture whilst the embryo is interuterine, and specifically the testosterone concentrations at various critical (and not yet determined) stages of early development. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
alanschu Posted July 22, 2005 Author Posted July 22, 2005 If homosexuality is genetic, why is there no correlations between homosexuals and their relatives (most specifically their siblings and their parents)?
metadigital Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 There is. Read the book I linked to, earlier. It is the latest and most thorough research and involves a lot more evidence than anyone has posted here. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Musopticon? Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 How about outside influences to the parents? kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds
Draken Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Except that the patterns can be also be found in animals other than humans. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Like frogs. They change their gender in order to reproduce in an all male (or female) enviroment! Perhaps that's why men, surroounded by other men, and far away from women (like soldiers, steel mill workers, oil rig workers) are gay! Seriously, only like, three people can touch my body
Lucius Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Research also shows that both straights and homosexuals are stimulated by pheromones of people sharing the same sexual preference. This, to me, shows more than just a casual 'choice' DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
alanschu Posted July 22, 2005 Author Posted July 22, 2005 You'll find that homosexuality is often a reflection of environment. They're more often located in locations such as overpopulation and whatnot. There's an increased predisposition towards homosexual activity (and experimentation) when overpopulation is combined with a socially restricting stigma. The patterns are also shared in species outside of human beings. I would wager that homosexuality is not necessarily genetics, since there's little correlation between a homosexual having relatives that are homosexual as well. I would think the environment has a lot more to do with it. And for some that have experimented both ways, I'd say it is choice. I would suspect that a lot of our notions of "choice" are influenced by our perceptions of homosexuality. And depending on what you would classify as homosexuality, there's certainly choice available. Is there anything really stopping us, aside from our perceptions about homosexuality and the sociological upbringing we had and all these environmental constraints, from having sex with someone of the same sex? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, current research suggests that there is more than one "gay" gene. The current theory is that these genes give various advantages to the bearers, such as better empathy, for example, and that only the agglomeration of many of these "gay" genes makes a person "gay". There is also reason to believe that it is down to the endocrimal amniotic mixture whilst the embryo is interuterine, and specifically the testosterone concentrations at various critical (and not yet determined) stages of early development. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would really like to see a reference for this. The National Association for Resarch and Therapy of Homosexuality pretty much says otherwise There was a study that showed a slightly less than 50% correlation between twins both being homosexual, but two other geneticists analyzed the data and claimed it was more support for environment than inheritance.
Ohma Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 GAH! Why couldn't human beings just be hermaphrodites?! None of these stupid "problems" would happen then.
Musopticon? Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 To the Big O: So would we all have, you know, racks then? kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds
alanschu Posted July 22, 2005 Author Posted July 22, 2005 Research also shows that both straights and homosexuals are stimulated by pheromones of people sharing the same sexual preference. This, to me, shows more than just a casual 'choice' <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dr. Savic (the guy that found that correlation), in an interview with the New York Times, mentioned explicilty that "We cannot tell if the different pattern is cause or effect...The study does not give any answer to these crucial questions."
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