History of KOTOR

[Rann Starkiller]

While playing Kotor 2 I just got the overall feeling as if Apocalypse Now era Coppola had directed a Star Wars film. The overall darkness, depth, contradiction in philosophy etc.

 

This is basically a spot for me to gather my thoughts on the history behind both KOTOR's, how they connect and so on.

 

Starting at the beginning, we have Kreia/Traya/Darth Traya/We don't really know her True name training Revan as her padawan. She must have always been a gray Jedi, leading Revan to question the orders of the Council during the Mandalorian War and lead his apprentice Malak and many others, including the Exile, to battle. They defeated the Mandalorians on Malachor V by causing massive devastation to the planet thanks to Bao-Dur's Mass Shadow Generator. This event, this massive destruction of so many being cut off from the Force caused a rip/wound/echo in the force that disconnected the Exile from it. He chose to remain disconnected and answered to the Council, who deemed that he leave to go to the Outer Rim.

 

Meanwhile, Revan and Malak were learning the Ways of the Sith. From The Trayus Academy they learned of Korriban and from there led their way to the ultimate Dark Side weapon, The Star Forge. Revan led a massive invasion, crushing his opposition until Malak seized the opportunity and attacked. From here Revan was captured by the Jedi, Force mindwiped and sent back to lead the Republic to the Sith. He discovered this when confronted by Malak, and was forced to choose Redemption or Revenge. He defeated Malak eventually, and a year after this left the devestated Galaxy behind to pursue the True Sith.

 

Kreia had followed in Revan's footsteps in order to learn what he did of the Force. She possibly was outcast by the Jedi after Revan's Fall, I'm not sure. She discovered Trayus, and took upon herself a new apprentice Sion. But then Darth Traya was overtaken by Sion and a new threat, Darth Nihilus, a true Sith apparently who was born of the destruction of Malachor V. Nihilus is the most unclear character so..yeah..

 

Afterwards, Kreia wanted to destroy The Force, to end it's influence and gain freedom forever. She pursued the Exiled General, after finding The Ebon Hawk and Revan's Plans. How did she get in contact with the Exile? How did the Exile end up on board the Ebon Hawk? Afterwards, she manipulates the Exile to destroy all Force users and eventually reveals her plans. She dies fighting the Exile after revealing the future and Revan's Plan. And then the game ends with the Exile following Revan into the Unknown Reaches.

 

Anyone care to fill in some gaps here for me?

[Kalfear]

While playing Kotor 2 I just got the overall feeling as if Apocalypse Now era Coppola had directed a Star Wars film. The overall darkness, depth, contradiction in philosophy etc.

 

This is basically a spot for me to gather my thoughts on the history behind both KOTOR's, how they connect and so on.

 

    Starting at the beginning, we have Kreia/Traya/Darth Traya/We don't really know her True name training Revan as her padawan. She must have always been a gray Jedi, leading Revan to question the orders of the Council during the Mandalorian War and lead his apprentice Malak and many others, including the Exile, to battle. They defeated the Mandalorians on Malachor V by causing massive devastation to the planet thanks to Bao-Dur's Mass Shadow Generator. This event, this massive destruction of so many being cut off from the Force caused a rip/wound/echo in the force that disconnected the Exile from it. He chose to remain disconnected and answered to the Council, who deemed that he leave to go to the Outer Rim.

 

Meanwhile, Revan and Malak were learning the Ways of the Sith. From The Trayus Academy they learned of Korriban and from there led their way to the ultimate Dark Side weapon, The Star Forge. Revan led a massive invasion, crushing his opposition until Malak seized the opportunity and attacked. From here Revan was captured by the Jedi, Force mindwiped and sent back to lead the Republic to the Sith. He discovered this when confronted by Malak, and was forced to choose Redemption or Revenge. He defeated Malak eventually, and a year after this left the devestated Galaxy behind to pursue the True Sith.

 

Kreia had followed in Revan's footsteps in order to learn what he did of the Force. She possibly was outcast by the Jedi after Revan's Fall, I'm not sure. She discovered Trayus, and took upon herself a new apprentice Sion. But then Darth Traya was overtaken by Sion and a new threat, Darth Nihilus, a true Sith apparently who was born of the destruction of Malachor V. Nihilus is the most unclear character so..yeah..

 

Afterwards, Kreia wanted to destroy The Force, to end it's influence and gain freedom forever. She pursued the Exiled General, after finding The Ebon Hawk and Revan's Plans. How did she get in contact with the Exile? How did the Exile end up on board the Ebon Hawk? Afterwards, she manipulates the Exile to destroy all Force users and eventually reveals her plans. She dies fighting the Exile after revealing the future and Revan's Plan. And then the game ends with the Exile following Revan into the Unknown Reaches.

 

Anyone care to fill in some gaps here for me?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Well how she pursued the exile and how the exile ended up on board the Ebon Hawk are explained early into the story of KotOR2 (sorry not a spoiler Forum so wont go more indepth).

 

Also, I wouldnt say she manipulates the exile to destroy all force users. You do still have a choice on going lightside or dark side in the game. I know as lightside I sure wasnt responcible for any force users deaths other then boss NPCs and such. So to say your manipulated into destroying the force users is incorrect.

 

In a different thread awhile back I said, I think "in you" Kreia sees the death of the force as it is today, not the actual force itself. Right now force users are born with ties to the force, a birthright that makes many of them arrogent and singleminded.

 

The exiles str with the force comes from experience and confrontation. So in the exile, Kreia sees a new type of force user whos more open minded so to speak. Doesnt cling to old rituals that have nothing to do with the force.

 

Honestly in the end I veiwed Kreia much the way I veiw people who belive in god but dont attend church. She was not anti force (or higher power), she was anti establishment. She didnt believe the power of the force should be restrained behind false ceremony and false rituals. To become strong in the force someone should have to gain that strenght through experience and knowledge.

 

That was my take on it tho, I know others disagree and have their own takes on the issue.

[Ivan the Terrible]

Also, I wouldnt say she manipulates the exile to destroy all force users. You do still have a choice on going lightside or dark side in the game. I know as lightside I sure wasnt responcible for any force users deaths other then boss NPCs and such. So to say your manipulated into destroying the force users is incorrect.

 

Is it?

 

 

If you're Light Side, she manipulates you into gathering the Jedi, convincing them that the true threat has shown itself and that they need to gather and face it. The result is she has the chance to exterminate what's left of them all at once.

 

[Rann Starkiller]

 

Well how she pursued the exile and how the exile ended up on board the Ebon Hawk are explained early into the story of KotOR2 (sorry not a spoiler Forum so wont go more indepth).

 

Also, I wouldnt say she manipulates the exile to destroy all force users. You do still have a choice on going lightside or dark side in the game. I know as lightside I sure wasnt responcible for any force users deaths other then boss NPCs and such. So to say your manipulated into destroying the force users is incorrect.

 

In a different thread awhile back I said, I think "in you" Kreia sees the death of the force as it is today, not the actual force itself. Right now force users are born with ties to the force, a birthright that makes many of them arrogent and singleminded.

 

The exiles str with the force comes from experience and confrontation. So in the exile, Kreia sees a new type of force user whos more open minded so to speak. Doesnt cling to old rituals that have nothing to do with the force.

 

Honestly in the end I veiwed Kreia much the way I veiw people who belive in god but dont attend church. She was not anti force (or higher power), she was anti establishment. She didnt believe the power of the force should be restrained behind false ceremony and false rituals. To become strong in the force someone should have to gain that strenght through experience and knowledge.

 

That was my take on it tho, I know others disagree and have their own takes on the issue.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I disagree, and agree, at the same time. Kreia wanted to rip down the old order (take out the religion etc), I agree with this. However, in the Star Wars universe, there is no doubt that the spiritual element of the Force DOES exist, meaning when she wants to end the Force, she wants to END THE FORCE, meaning get rid of the spiritual power/connectedness of all life. I think that would mean doom for all things as well but I'm not entirely convinced of that.

[Kalfear]

I disagree, and agree, at the same time. Kreia wanted to rip down the old order (take out the religion etc), I agree with this. However, in the Star Wars universe, there is no doubt that the spiritual element of the Force DOES exist, meaning when she wants to end the Force, she wants to END THE FORCE, meaning get rid of the spiritual power/connectedness of all life. I think that would mean doom for all things as well but I'm not entirely convinced of that.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Well then her training and protecting the Exile doesnt make any sence then as he is also atuned to the force.

 

As is Revan whom she holds in very high regards and is very much alive from what she knows.

 

If she was out to destroy all the force, the Exile and Revan would also be veiwed as people that should be destroyed!

 

Its a contradiction, if she really is out to destroy all the force then she CANT pick and choose which force users to destroy. If you see what Im getting at here.