cipher build help :)

[yellowme]

hi guys kinda wondering if this build would work as main for potd...this whole idea started from boeroer's siren build for poe2. so decided to make a cipher starting from poe...anyway first of all i never done a build before so there are ment to be many mistakes hence i need your help...the whole idea is a mesmerizing female siren i dont care if it is the most optimal build i just want to have fun as long as it can run on the potd difficulty...also i plan to use maneha armor and robes of the tidebringer even if they are not the best armors but i think they would look cool with her story and build...so the build itself 

race human

survival 7 athletics 1 and rest will devide between lore and stealth i think

stats M 18 CON 8 DEX 14 PER 16 INT 18 RES 4 (if you think i should alocate the stats differently please feel free to tell me)

spells i have a good idea how i want to choose so i wont bother you with that i will mostly go for charm ones

level 2 Draining whip

level 4 Greater Focus 

level 6 Bitting whip (i see it used in some builds while not in others so not sure if i should replace with something else)

level 8 weapon focus

level 9 marksman

level 10 2 handed style (she will use a bow but i often see it in ranged builds so i guess it works for bows too?)

level 12 Outlander frenzy

level 14 brutal backlash (does it worth the point?)

level 16 fast runner? upgrade the backlash skill? sthing else? 

if you think i should replace the order of the talents or change for sthing else feel free to tell me and now the worst part...gear lol

head: maegfolk skull

armor: maneha and tidebringer both enchanted

weapon: some say hunter bow others war bow no idea which is "better" and how i should enchant it

talisman of the anqocuerable

gauntlets of swift action

vietro formal footwear

rings and belt i have no clue whatsover i dont even know if the items i chose will do or not 

thanks in advance for reading

 

 

[Boeroer]

4 hours ago, yellowme said:

level 10 2 handed style (she will use a bow but i often see it in ranged builds so i guess it works for bows too?)

You can skip that because Two Handed Style only works for melee weapons in PoE.

4 hours ago, yellowme said:

level 12 Outlander frenzy

This can become obsolete with Time Parasite since it doesn't stack and is vastly inferior to Time Parasite. But before that it can be useful. Maybe just retrain after getting to the Time Parasite level. Or use it at the start of battle and only use Time Parasite after it runs out - that also works well.

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In general:

Having to attack with a weapon in order to gain focus is not really the way of the siren (Troubadour/Psion).
A Chanter build with Enigma's Charm and some chamring/dominating items would be better suited to catch the siren vibe imo.

But besides the Two-Handed Style I'd say your build idea will work. Imo the best bow for Ciphers is The Rain of Godagh Field - which is a war bow. It comes pretty late though but fortunately there's another early and nice war bow: Borresaine in Defiance Bay. In combination with Time Parasite the dps will be great and you don't have to worry about foes with high damage reduction (animats, beetles, dragons and so on). Also Borresaine has stun on crit and drains health: very cool.
Speaking about foes with high DR (armor): Against those a hunting bow is not so great. Also the best dps hunting bow, Persistence, has wounding. Wounding makes it so strong at dps, but wounding damage doesn't generate focus - so it's a bit of a waste for a Cipher. The Rain of Godagh Field has speed which is the other great dps enchantment. And speed leads to more focus directly. Rain of Godagh Field+Durgan Steel+Time Parasite leads to 0 recovery. You become a gatling gun - just with arrows.

So for me it would be war bows.

Maybe you could throw in Rhymer's Summons as cross-class talent for more siren vibes. They are not strong but 1/encounter and can be a nice distraction.     

[Chaospread]

3 hours ago, yellowme said:

survival 7 athletics 1 and rest will devide between lore and stealth i think

Do you think to cast any scrolls? Elsewhere I'd invest again in survival... Stealth in a party I don't thick is useful.

3 hours ago, yellowme said:

stats M 18 CON 8 DEX 14 PER 16 INT 18 RES 4 (if you think i should alocate the stats differently please feel free to tell me)

Either you MAX PER: M 18 CON 8 DEX 12 PER 18 INT 18 RES 4 (better for PotD), or MAX DEX: M 18 CON 8 DEX 18 PER 12 INT 18 RES 4 (which I like more), but in a party you can go with your stats.

4 hours ago, yellowme said:

level 10 2 handed style (she will use a bow but i often see it in ranged builds so i guess it works for bows too?)

No, it doesn't work in Poe1, you can pick it in Deadfire but not in the first game

4 hours ago, yellowme said:

level 14 brutal backlash (does it worth the point?)

You mean "Psychic Backlash". I don't think it worth a talent point, especially with a human and neither its upgrade.

4 hours ago, yellowme said:

level 16 fast runner? upgrade the backlash skill? sthing else? 

Rest of choices for talents are ok, you can pick something else for this one, "Psychic Backlash" and two-handed style such as "Apprentice's Sneak Attack", "Penetrating Shot" an maybe "Shot on the Run". Also "Envenomed Strike" can be a good pick.
Weapons. Stormcaller soulbounded, Prey Maker and Persistence are great hunting bows, so go for this route and the according talent. Durgan-refined and the best enchantments you can achieve.
Belt. A defensive one can be "Binding Rope", but you can escape melee attacks easily as a Cipher, so you can pick ann offensive one like "Ryona's Buckle".
Rings. Iron Circle for CON bonus, if you don't want speed penalty Snerf's Folly and Ring of Overseeing.

[yellowme]

ty so much for this!!!i know what u mean about not being siren per se i just want to use the same character from poe 1 to 2 ...so glad u repplied!

 

[yellowme]

2 minutes ago, Chaospread said:

Do you think to cast any scrolls? Elsewhere I'd invest again in survival... Stealth in a party I don't thick is useful.

Either you MAX PER: M 18 CON 8 DEX 12 PER 18 INT 18 RES 4 (better for PotD), or MAX DEX: M 18 CON 8 DEX 18 PER 12 INT 18 RES 4 (which I like more), but in a party you can go with your stats.

No, it doesn't work in Poe1, you can pick it in Deadfire but not in the first game

You mean "Psychic Backlash". I don't think it worth a talent point, especially with a human and neither its upgrade.

Rest of choices for talents are ok, you can pick something else for this one, "Psychic Backlash" and two-handed style such as "Apprentice's Sneak Attack", "Penetrating Shot" an maybe "Shot on the Run". Also "Envenomed Strike" can be a good pick.
Weapons. Stormcaller soulbounded, Prey Maker and Persistence are great hunting bows, so go for this route and the according talent. Durgan-refined and the best enchantments you can achieve.
Belt. A defensive one can be "Binding Rope", but you can escape melee attacks easily as a Cipher, so you can pick ann offensive one like "Ryona's Buckle".
Rings. Iron Circle for CON bonus, if you don't want speed penalty Snerf's Folly and Ring of Overseeing.

perfect ty so much u helped tyty

[Chaospread]

AS Boeroer said, war bows can be better for you, you can also retrain and experiment. In a party a stormcaller is good because it can saves enchantments resources (since it is soulbounded) for other weapons. It comes pretty late, but one hunting bow can be gotten early... so it's up  to you
If you have another ranged character you can keep hunting bows for you and war ones for the other people.
You can also forget a talent "Shot on the Run", pick two weapon focus and switch your bows depending on the situation.

Edited yesterday at 01:32 PM by Chaospread

[Boeroer]

5 hours ago, Chaospread said:

You can also forget a talent "Shot on the Run", pick two weapon focus and switch your bows depending on the situation.

Due to the increasing return of (most) speed bonuses in PoE, ranged recovery while running with Shot on the Run used to be faster than regular standing recovery.

Don't know if that was ever patched. 

Iirc it's the same even in Deadfire (with linear speed bonus returns). It's only nuances, but it's faster than standing still I believe.

Edited 20 hours ago by Boeroer

[yellowme]

ty both so much