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I hope this isn't too spoilery! I didn't really see this as appropriate for the technical issue forum.

Hello everyone. So I recently decided to give Pillars a chance after trying it very briefly several years ago and I'm absolutely hooked. I'm enjoying it immensely!

However, I reached the end of Kana's quest and spoiled things a bit for myself by reading ahead and seeing that the dialogue choices affect his epilogue. I'm trying to get what people often call the "progressive" ending. 

Now I've looked at the table on the wiki entry on this page: https://pillarsofeternity.fandom.com/wiki/Time_and_Tide

...and I know that for that ending to occur, Kana's Truthseeker stat must be equal to or lower than 5 while the wiki shows "Confident, Idealist" greater than or equal to 6. So does that mean that they *both* have to equal 6 or more individually? Or is it a combined value of the two? I've looked over the table several times and my paltry math skills don't see any way to balance keeping Truth low while boosting those traits high, especially since some responses are neutral or negative values...

I have also heard that there are other parts of the game where dialogue matters in regards to him, not just this section. If so, then I'm probably spinning my wheels because chances are I've already done something to set him on a path.

As it is I am absolutely tearing my hair out because no one seems to have made a guide. Any help would be appreciated! 

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On 7/30/2021 at 7:28 AM, Safton said:

...and I know that for that ending to occur, Kana's Truthseeker stat must be equal to or lower than 5 while the wiki shows "Confident, Idealist" greater than or equal to 6. So does that mean that they *both* have to equal 6 or more individually? Or is it a combined value of the two? I've looked over the table several times and my paltry math skills don't see any way to balance keeping Truth low while boosting those traits high, especially since some responses are neutral or negative values...

Unfortunately I don't have a *definitive* answer for you, but I have some insight.

If the "progressive" outcome you're seeking is a potential ending but the numbers you crunch say that you *can't* get Truth<5 and both Confident/Idealist >6, then it seems to me that only one of confident or idealist need to be at 6, or they must combine to 6 (I don't know which of the two it would require). Since, otherwise, that outcome would normally be impossible to acquire (yet we know it is possible to have that outcome).

Sorry I can't tell you what to do exactly, but hopefully this can bring you to a resolution and you can continue the quest to its conclusion happily

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2 hours ago, gingereno42 said:

Unfortunately I don't have a *definitive* answer for you, but I have some insight.

If the "progressive" outcome you're seeking is a potential ending but the numbers you crunch say that you *can't* get Truth<5 and both Confident/Idealist >6, then it seems to me that only one of confident or idealist need to be at 6, or they must combine to 6 (I don't know which of the two it would require). Since, otherwise, that outcome would normally be impossible to acquire (yet we know it is possible to have that outcome).

Sorry I can't tell you what to do exactly, but hopefully this can bring you to a resolution and you can continue the quest to its conclusion happily

Hi there! I have since actually spoken to some others on Reddit and I think I may have a firmer grasp of the quest/Kana's endings than when I made this post. Nothing certain and a lot of my theory will be tested when I actually end up finishing the game XD but it seems things are more in-depth than even I thought!

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I'd actually love to see the Reddit thread, since that part could be expanded a bit - particularly since we're missing the starting stats on the wiki.

 

EDIT: You are correct, there are variables missing, I've checked _hub and _rest and there's a good deal of content there.

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