[Handmaiden lost?]

Yeah...and thus it makes sense to me that you couldn't train her to be a Jedi in this case. She's not worthy.

 

Actually, the realization that she didn't believe in redemption came later on Nar Shaddaa, after I trained her as a Jedi.

[Handmaiden lost?]

Sounds like you got more influence with Visas than Handmaiden. Did you get a cutscene of Handmaiden "talking" to Visas? If so reload before you talked to Visas, or before Visas showed up, and you should be fine.

 

See this is exactly why I don't really like Handmaiden, she's immature and she obviously doesn't believe in redemption. Which are bad traits in a Jedi, IMO. ;)

[What planet(s) do you hate the most?]

Dantooine: Didn't like it in the first game, but I hated it here. Glitchy (like in the first game) and it seemed pointless to return to this planet, after it was *apparantly* destroyed in the first game.

 

But the planet wasn't destroyed, just the Enclave. And since that's the only thing of interest there why go back in the first game? Not to mention there were Sith crawling all about the place.

[Exile's Reconnection to the Force... Spoilers!]

Sion: "Why have you returned?"

Kreia: "Because now I understand why the exile did what she did."

 

It was always the why that Kreia wanted to know. She already knew the how because of Nihilus, but she wanted to know why the Exile choose to cut herself off from the Force rather than become what Nihilus was.

 

Anyway, I agree that whoever wrote that ariticle is interpreting the game in a way that it was not intended. Kreia's the one that showed the Exile how the recconnect to the Force, and it had nothing to do with all the dead people on Peragus, it was the presence of Force users/sensitives, Kreia and Atton. I mean she says flat out that the Exile is hearing the Force through her: "Perhaps you can hear the Force again... distantly, through me."

[Airspeeder on Nar Shaddaa?]

The air speeder is great for gaining influence. You can get influence with Atton when you install the computer and influence with bao when you ask him to cheek your work when you finish repairing it.

 

You can also gain influence with T3 for asking him to check. He doesn't fix it as well as Bao though.

[Missing Bao-Dur and Atton Romance]

I'm pretty sure Atton only killed Di if you were darkside... If you're lightside, I wouldn't think it'd matter much what your influence was with Di... as long as you hadn't completely ignored Atton he'd love you anyway!

 

Is that the way it was supposed to play out? I wasn't entirely sure.

[Missing Bao-Dur and Atton Romance]

Some of the worst writing, I think you mean... I don't think anyone could make those lines sound good, honestly...

Maybe, but you never know.

 

Even if it hadn't been cut, though, it'd only be one possible ending and not the canon one.

 

I really get irritated when people try to suggest that it's part of the real ending of the game...

 

Oh, I know. It would all depend on the out come of Atton's fight with Sion. If he lost then you'd get the death scene, if he won then you'd get the "Where are we going?" dialog after Kreia kicked the bucket. And that's only if you had higher influence with him over Mical. If you had higher influence with Mical you would have gotten the Atton killing Di scene, IIRC.

[Missing Bao-Dur and Atton Romance]

only for female exile, and still it really still isn't a good ending for the game, and i don't think it resolves anything atton confess his love, then dies, isn't traya still alive at this point?

 

Resolution for Atton's plot line is what I meant, like how Visas meditates in her chamber on the Ravagar and puts to rest the past, or Handmaidens confrontation of her sisters.

 

Honestly, I'm glad Atton's death was cut in a way, because that is some of the worst acting I have ever heard.

[What planet(s) do you hate the most?]

...he's voiced by the same guy who did Jolee (i believe), which kinda 'ruins' him, by not having a more unique voice...

Nope that's not Kevin Michael Richardson. Zez-Kai Ell is voiced by the same guy that does those commericals for the U.S. Marine Corps. I don't know his name, but I recognize his voice.

 

The story-lines that relate to the droid factory are quite evident in the way some of the side-quests play out, making them appear in their (butchered) format as utterly pointless or unnecessarily complicated.

What do you mean? If you're talking about all the droids, then they are not related to the droid factory, they're related to Goto's true identity.

 

I would like to have revisited the former sites of the Star Maps, to see what happened to them...

Well the one on Dantooine was probably bombed to hell by Malak.

 

[Ebon Hawk - Harbinger - Sith vessel questions]

Though if there was another ship involved, it quickly gets unaccounted for, by HK-50, the Sith, and the Republic...

If it was a small one man fighter/ship then Kreia wouldn't be able to get the Exile off the Harbinger in it. And the HK-50 would have followed where the Exile went to get her back.

 

 

I would at least hope that the Exile was clothed when she boarded the Harbinger

 

You never know, she showed up at her trial in her undies.

[Missing Bao-Dur and Atton Romance]

i've heard that atton dying seen, and i have to ask how is that in any way considered an "end" or at least a better end than we alrady have?

 

One word: resolution.

[Ebon Hawk - Harbinger - Sith vessel questions]

Sorry, but i don't remember the Harbinger crew ever mention Kreia. They only ones who mentioned her were the ones on Peragus.

Harbinger Captain: "We have taken on passengers to Telos..." The Exile was not the only passenger that the Harbinger picked up. It is possible, though I find it unlikely, that Kreia was one of these passengers.

 

But yes, Kreia does say they flew to the Harbinger, when the Sith were already on board. It is possible that Kreia was not on board the Ebon Hawk at all, and arrived in a totally different ship (presumably a very small one...for one or two persons only). It makes sense to me, since i could never explain how Kreia found the Ebon Hawk in the first place.

 

This is what I've always assumed, that there was another ship (a small one like Bastila's G-wing in K1 or something). Simply because of this line: "When we intercepted the Harbinger, it was crippled, drifting in space. It was a simple matter to board the vessel and rescue you. Unknown to me, however, the Sith were already on board." If they (who is this "they", btw? Kreia wasn't alone?) intercepted the Harbinger and the Sith were already on board that means the Ebon Hawk was already on board the Harbinger. So she couldn't have been on the Ebon Hawk. It also implies that Kreia was not on the Harbinger, either. That leaves only one other option, the aforementioned ship.

 

 

Since the hyperdrive is busted, they're not going to be going into hyperspace (I think the main reactor is also for that matter).

 

The prologue is actually incorrect about the use of a hyperdrive. As I understand it, hyperdrive is only used to jump from system to system (ex: Taris to Dantooine in K1) Sub-light engines are what get you around insystem (say like when you come out of hyperspace at Telos and fly toward Citadel Station those are the sub-light engines at work) and these would be what T3 would use to get to the Peragus mining facility. Anyway the hyperdrive may have worked long enough to get from where the Harbinger was to Peragus then conked out.

 

Edit: I doubt the Exile was naked on the Harbinger. The medical officer on Peragus was most likely the one to undress the Exile when she put him/her in the kolto tank. What she did with the Exile's clothes is a mystery though.

[What planet(s) do you hate the most?]

I consider Citadel Station and the actual surface of Telos two different places. And while I dislike the former, nothing compares to how I feel about Nar Shaddaa. It was fun the first couple of times, but after awhile it's just become annoying.

[What kind of character should I make?]

Honestly, I've never gotten off Peragus as a guy so I can't really tell you how the game is that way. I always play as a female and honestly, I think its better that way.

 

 

I had the same exact expression.

[Why does Man-Exile get so much more "action"?]

Despite my earlier comments about Mical, I like his character, he just adds NOTHING to the story,... <snip>

Um, that's not entirely true. He gives the player hints about the PC being a wound in the Force long before your meeting with the Council...

 

Kreia: Enough. What did you see in the web of worlds that have died? What did you see when you saw it through the Force?

Mical: I see the death of the galaxy. Of life. At first... I thought it was just conquest, but it's more terrible than that. It's an echo, spreading outwards, killing everything. It's not possible.

Kreia: You are a wasted pawn of the Republic, young one. You could have been so much more, even with your wide-eyed innocence, your na

[What kind of character should I make?]

I would say you're almost required to play it 'three' times. Once with Handmaiden for the Atris info, once with Mikal to see what the Sith agenda is, and a third time Dark Side so you can fill in the pieces with any influence dialogs that are difficult to trigger from the light side.

 

Actually, you can lose enough influence with people while LS to still get their info, with the exception of Kreia, but even then you can get full influence with her if you know what you're doing.

This is how I got HK to blab about Malachor V, because I'm a DSW and won't play DS.

[What kind of character should I make?]

Oh well, I guess you have just convinced me to play the game twice...

 

That came out worded wrongly, almost demanding you play both genders. That was not my intention. :blush10: It was supposed to say "This is one of the few games almost require that you play through as either gender". I have no idea how that 'I' got in there.

 

But I'm glad you decided to play both anyway.

[What kind of character should I make?]

This is one of the few games I almost require that you play through as either gender. Disciple adds something to the main plot. And Handmaiden is interesting in her ties to Atris. I highly suggest playing both.

[Character love stories]

Sure why not/

 

Prepare to die in the crossfire then, because those two would never share the same guy. Like ever.

[Who would you like to see....?]

I agree with babydol, in two things. No live action version of KotOR's could ever live up to our expectations. Probably because we all play differently. It's still fun to speculate though.

 

I also agree with her that it's Raphael Sbarge's voice that makes Carth what he is. It's the voice.

[Farorite Character?]

He-he, I knew it was you. I'm not very original, myself, so I'm 'babydol' over there, too (that's been my hubby's pet-name for me since we met 10 years ago).

Melly is, or rather was ( ), the name of one of my guinea pigs. If you see a poster on KotOR boards with the following things it's probably me: Laura Nyro or Azam Ali portrait, love of Bao-Dur and F!Exile pairing, name Melly and/or, of course, A'ja'la. But I use the name Melly more often.

 

The Bioware boards are pretty boring, though. I used to post there a lot when I was playing more Mass Effect, but I've been giving that game a rest, and waiting for the PC version to come out. So yeah, over here, at least I can speak of mods, and I like the people over here more.

Yeah, the BioBoards are slow on traffic. It's probably because we've discussed everything under the sun over there... twice. And occasionally you get those rude people who can't shut up about their hate for certain characters and whine more about characters whining than the characters whined themselves. It ruins the fun of a forum, and I think you know who I'm talking about.

[Query: Is HK-47 your favorite droid? Addedum: Or is another?]

So I watched the origanal Terminator movie again this weekend (I LOVE those films), and there's a scene where Reese and Sarah are talking about the "future", and Reese starts talking about these HKs, and how bad*ss they are. Sarah's like, "HKs?", and Reese responds, "Hunter-Killers" , so I'm just gonna assume that this is what HK stands for.

 

If you have HK rescue you on the Leviathan, the Sith soldiers call him a Hunter Killer unit.

["the last" Jedi?]

There might have been an element of that, but that can neither be confirmed or denied from what we learn in the game (and the cut content), where Atris simply states that she did this to make the sith reveal themselves.

Oh, I know. The revenge thing is just my own personal interpretation considering the way she acts during the Exile's trial. I mean she wanted to execute her/him! As for the glory part, I could have sworn she said something (either in game or cut content) about watching two wars pass her by and she wasn't going to let a third? But maybe I'm misremembering?

["the last" Jedi?]

Exile is hunted instead of Bastila or the masters on the council because Atris arranged the Exile's return to the Republic and then leaked information about him to the Sith in order to make the Exile a target that the Sith would then try to kill, thus believing revealing themselves thinking there were no other jedi left to stand against them. Pay attention to what HK-47 tells the exile about reading about him in the coreward databases and how Atris admits having staged the exile's return and made him a target for the Sith when you finally confront her after meeting the masters.

 

Jediphile is correct. If you pick the right dialog options (unfortunately I can't remember which ones) when confronting Atris at end game then she tells the PC all of this. That's why the bounty hunters and Goto all knew about the Exile. That's why the Sith all knew about the Exile. And that's also why Kreia knew about the Exile. Atris did it all to get revenge on the Exile (whether she realized it or not) and to have her moment of glory.

["the last" Jedi?]

Of those that the Exile finds though I would say that only Kavar is still a Jedi (well and Bastila). Atris is obviously not a Jedi you can tell that from the first time she opens her mouth, same with Vrook. Their whole attitude is completely un-Jedi like, Atris with her anger Vrook with his arrogance (I mean come on: "Sorry I was held up. But it looks like I've arrived in time to pull you out of your predicament." How freaking arrogant can you get? Not to mention that this statement sounds like something a Sith would say: "I suppose there is something I should show you. It will keep you alive long enough to prove useful." But enough about my DS!Vrook theory.) Even Kreia says there is only one Jedi in the Telos academy and she's not talking about Atris, and Zez-Kai Ell says himself that he is no Jedi. Kavar is the only one that sees to still be a Jedi at heart. So when Kreia says the Exile is the "last of the Jedi" it's not too far of stretch. Besides Kreia may not know about some of the Jedi, like Bastila and any other Jedi, who may have gone into hiding after Katarr. And in any event part of her goal concerning the Jedi was not to kill the Jedi, but expose the corruption of the Council.