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The stupid "Force Breathing" (or whatever it is) that you get from Kreia when entering the Jar Jar Pit after Mira doesn't work anywhere else -- try it on Malachor V and Korriban, for example, with the poison gas mines dotted about the place ...
what makes you think it was meant to work anywhere else?
you should have an item that gives you all sorts of immunities including poison......but i have yet to encounter any bugged powers, but i ain't a force power hog that relies on it too much.
Without quoting verbatim et literarium, the gist of the Force Power is to allow you to hold -- or "regurgitate" might be a better word -- your last breath for 240 seconds whilst you carry on fighting in the acidic atmosphere of the Jar Jar Pit -- which you can run around in quite confortably with a poison mask on (as well as the space suit).
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LucasArts isn't to be blamed -- the developer is just as guility, if not moreso. LucasArts is currently in a transition phase from seperate, mostly themselves involved decisions and situations to being right next door to LucasFilms.
I mean, simply, that George Lucas is moving all his divisions together, and the cutting of the KotOR'3 team and the shortening of development time were apart of those cuts. Besides, as I've said before, Blizzard Entertainment and Sony Online Entertainment are both capable of cranking out expansion packs to their original games within 6-12 months. Expounding, they create tons of new levels, tons of new systems and items, and sometimes tons of new characters and vehicles that work with the original.
Obsidian Entertainment was given a game that already had an engine, already had most things readied and they gave us a half-assed plot, a half-assed dialogue tree, half-assed quests, half-assed characters, and just about a half-assed game in general. They added few things and even those few things were just mimics of things already added (IE certain Force Feat graphics). The game is so buggy, its a wonder if they spent anytime testing it at all. This is not the fault of LucasArts -- this is just a rookie compiled team (with vets, of course) that got carried away with a story they should have known they couldn't crank out with their time allotment.
Hell, Avelone, in each interview, talks about how his teams took three damn years just to compile storylines and so forth and so I don't know; for what we got in one -- I'm not impressed.
Hmm, perhaps you have a point pointing the finger of blame equally at Obsidian -- I had given them the benefit of the doubt as they are basically Black Isle, and Balder's Gate was an excellent CRPG (or should that be ERPG?
.I can't believe people are excitedly talking about the patch (I'll bet London Bridge to a brick it won't have any content) and a sequel (I would rather poke my eyes out with a rusty speculum than play another disapointing game like KotOR 2 ... ).
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The stupid "Force Breathing" (or whatever it is) that you get from Kreia when entering the Jar Jar Pit after Mira doesn't work anywhere else -- try it on Malachor V and Korriban, for example, with the poison gas mines dotted about the place ...
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... you listed "The Force" as your religion in the last census ...
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It's always entertaining watching arguments on message boards. What experience has shown is that the argument will continue indefinately because neither side will ever admit to being wrong. I have witnessed arguments where members have had facts contradicting them thrown in their face and they still refuse to admit defeat or admit that they were wrong. Arguing over the internet is so pointless and idiotic it makes me wonder about the mentality of the offenders, especially when they appear to be intelligent but continue to act like 3 year olds who found their GI Joe with the kung-fu grip broken and are determined to take their angst out on someone.
... We haven't even got to one party accusing the other of being Nazis yet. We still have a long way to go ...
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You can expect logical and intelligent answer from our friend soon (w00t)
I dunno, judging by the moderator's actions, it probably won't be long before the attention-starved youngster is banned.
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In the same vein, it would be a very good idea if (in future games) we could actually play as another race (a bit like KotOR when we were either Zalbar or Mission) ... did anyone else notice that when playing as Visas we could see normally, and not via "Force Sight", as I would expect?
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Does anyone know how they really make up all that alien speech? Is a real language's grammer copied with changed words? Or do they just make stuff up on the go? Anyone know?
there was a big discussion on the "other" KotOR2 forum, back before release:
The conclusion was that it is just English grammar with random words/phrases/sylables/sounds swapped for normal words. (Cf: Elvish, etc from The Lord of The Rings, which was JRR Tolkein's efforts to "flesh out" Anglo Saxon with an epic story.)
Feel free to try to find the thread, however there wasn't a search function last time I looked...
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How can you even tell? The language just sounded like someone making squishing sounds or talking with a mouthful of mashed potatoes.
Yes, the selkatish language consists of 99.9% utter and unintelligible nonsense. The sentence I posted above is the only real form of communication they possess. It translates roughly to "Your hoovercraft is full of eels".
My nipples explode with delight!
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Oh but they are dear boy. GoA is most competent user I've ever met, although I rarely agree with him. Hades One always speaks with sharp wisdom, which sadly, cannot be tell about you.
They both beat you in every aspect. Their posting is highly intellectual while yours
is rubbish trollism on kaftan-barlast style.
When you manage to pull your head out of GoA's ass, you should listen to Master Yoda's insightful advice:
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You might actually learn something!
I disagree with your statement that I can't distinguish opinion from fact. If you read it on any setting higher than "angry Half-glance" you would have noticed the following:
CONTEXT: I was replying to a post you wrote, the contents of which attempted to mock and down-play the value of someone elses opinion. "Facts" were not involved. The discussion was "worth/value" of opinion. My reaon for replying, as seen in my post, was to point out that his opinion, which you lambasted, was commonly held as valid by many people, and was well evidenced, IF NOT fact.
WORDING: My point was neither to insult you or brown-nose any one else. I caution against swapping insults as a debate techinque. I am no hater of OE or LA, and look forward to playing KOTOR 2. I am happy that you are defending it as a cool game, which I am sure it will turn out to be. It shows you are not just a "troll".
However, some opinions are justified. You cannot roast a turkey in 10 minutes, or write a novel in a week, or design an RPG for multiple platforms in 12 months as a small, fledgling company. Despite what you say, the game is incomplete. Not because there is unused content on the CD, but because there are side-quests in the game which can be started but not completed, and multiple Holes in the story.
Even though that is the sign of a rushed game, I will still buy the game, patch or no, because of my loyalty to the KOTOR story and Characters. I appreciate your loyalty to an excellent Starwars franchise, which I empathize with.
Regards,
FaramirK
FaramirK, gentle readers:
Having returned to this thread I see 2leet4u is still hiding behind a facade; adopting an attitude of "intelligent, common sense pragmatist", whilst the content is unmitigated solipsism and argumentum ad hominem.
Given the benefit of doubt initially, it is clear that the person is just craving attention (I know I shouldn't respond now as it only encourages, however I didn't want this person to think they were not seen, categorised and dismissed).
This thread is entitled "Guess the Patch release date" with a bunch of humerous responses. An antagonist (2leet4u -- sounds like a script kiddy) responds by picking a fight -- similar to posting a "Xboxusers are losers" on the Xbox forum. This is the definition of trolling.
The "arguments" are purile, opinionated and flawed.
But it does seem that this individual is deriving some enjoyment from this process (otherwise why argue with such unconvincing tactics?)
PS 2leet4u, I do not work in the mental health industry. I'm just not 14 years old, like you seem to be. Now you can graffiti out-of-context excerpts of this post with your infantile scribblings.
I shan't rise to the bait in future.
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You would need a spaceship with an infinite improbability drive to reach the patch within the lifetime of our galaxy. (I can't wait for the new HHGttG movie!) (w00t)
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that's like the Fine Young Cannibals (British pop group) took their name from a bad B movie. And Lucas did base all his combat scenes in the movies on real footage from WWII.
Good find! :D
I don't remember the germans having a death star in ww2.
You must have missed it. They parked it in the Baltic Sea. Big one. Floated like a beach ball. Nasty little thing.
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Not on the official forums. These are corporate boards and they have an image to maintain. The livelihoods of the people who work here may depend on it. And people have to deal with disappointment and frustration if only because it's an integral part of life. Specifically, I find it pretty amusing that people seem to be so enraged over something as trivial as a videogame.
But at any rate, the bottom line is still the same. OE don't owe you anything. Not even a place where to vent off steam. If you think I'm wrong, read the license contract again.
In fact I do have a legitimate greivance with the game I bought in good faith.Then you should have read more reviews. You can't expect to supply common sense with "good faith" and have the results be good. They may be sloppy developers, but you are a negligent customer.
But thanks for the advice, you seemed to enjoy giving it -- so my post has indeed -- additionally -- performed a mental hygiene service.Amateurish attempts at psychobabble-based trolling always bring up a smile with me. But I've endured worse. Keep trying, though.
So many issues.
1. Why should I care for the livelihoods of corporates who don't give a jot for me?
2. I really don't think this company is going to suffer unduly -- or unfairly -- because of a poor release.
3. I don't blame Obsidian. The game development was pretty sound. The problem was that the game was released before it was ready, and I (however niaively) believe that someone, somewhere within Obsidian might be interested in hearing public opinion (including fair greivances) in general (which includes mine in particular).
4. I play games to escape from real life (including disapointments) -- I don't need them in my game playing. If I want disapointment, I can watch the 6 o'clock news and see how the duly elected politicians are making a mess of the planet.
5. Every review I read before I bought the game gave it 80% or more (and I subscribe to 3 magazines) ... it was only much later that someone wrote a polemic.
6. Reading the forum is arguably a better was to obtain a review of the game, except if we follow your edicts and obliterate any dissenting comments and simply subscribe to a corporate propaganda policy.
7. If you think the video game is so trivial, why are you bothering to make comments on the forum? Surely you have better things to do? I'm providing feedback to anyone who is interested in reading it.
8. I never said Obsidian owe me anything in the financial transaction I performed with them -- I am well versed in the legalaties. (I did imply that morally Obsidian, or more specifically, Lucas Arts might.) I said that allowing people to raise greivances would be a service that a smart corporate would utilise. Caveat emptor is a mantra to poor businesses. Losing customers to make quick profit is a short-term tactic, not a strategy for long-term corporate growth.
9. My psycho bable goes a lot further than you can imagine. Still, you seem to be enjoying your rebuttals. Once again, this disproves your main assertion that this thread (and those like it) serve only to threaten the existence of the forum. Specifically, I find it pretty amusing that you seem to be so enraged over something as trivial as a forum thread.
Take your time to formulate anything you want to post here because I am logging off for the night.
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I'm pretty much always lightside. I started darkside once on both K1 and K2, never finished cause I always helt bad. (I'm pathetic, I know :"> )
No, I don't think you're pathetic. I find the dark side very boring. It is quite difficult to do the right thing.
For example, if you have to choose who lives from
- your mother and
- a neo natal children's ward ... light side dilemma asks the hedonistic economics question (more people saved for the sacrifice of one: the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one) versus a more confuscian ethos (filial piety, or nepotism).
You can even mess around with the balance a little more, say if your mother (or any close relative) had a terminal illness ... or the children were very sickly (e.g. chronically disabled) would that change your decision?
But dark side is easy: kill the children, the old woman and the b**tard who gave you the choice. <_<
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... because censorship will solve all the greivances held by the CUSTOMERS WHO BOUGHT THE FAULTY PRODUCT. [/sarcasm]
No. Don't twist the truth. This thread serves no useful purpose at all. It is not a discussion about the game, and it holds no constructive criticism at all. It is just a blatant effort at bashing OE out of the spite of some people who can't deal with disappointment and frustration.
I wasn't talking about censorship, mind you. I was talking about total closure of the boards. That isn't censorship, it's just the removal of a service whose privileges are being systematically misused and abused by immature fanboys and outright trolls.
Get this in your little head once and for all. These boards aren't the place to "solve the grievances" you might have. In fact, there is no such place even though some places will allow it. You have a "grievance" with the game or OE? Return it and never buy anything from these people again. That is your only right. They don't owe you jack. Deal with it.
It's funny that a significant proportion of the contributors to this forum seem to disagree with your point of view. Still, you sound like a grown up, so I'm sure you can deal with that.
And why do so many people have to "deal with disapointment and frustration" ?
I disagree -- I think that giving people the ability to blow off some steam on a forum may go a long way to preventing a lot of bad will in the market place ... someone somewhere would only start up a www.kotor2diedotdiedotdie.org website.
In fact I do have a legitimate greivance with the game I bought in good faith. (I haven't been so disapointed since I bought the last Lara Croft mess.) And, yes, I have written to customer services with my complaint.
Finally, I shall indeed vote with my wallet and be more skeptical next time a Star Wars product is released to the public.
But thanks for the advice, you seemed to enjoy giving it -- so my post has indeed -- additionally -- performed a mental hygiene service.
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Yep, which is why IMHO they don't need all six stats. D&D only had four, I think ... STR, DEX, INT, CON, as well as only three alignments: Chaotic, Neutral and Lawful.
That reminds me, aren't the Jedi classes meant to be alignments, too? Consulars more Lawful, Sentinels more Neutral ... Guardians more ... um, Chaotic ... Dang! There goes the Paladin analogy.
Nope, the original D&D books (the three little brown books ;-)) have STR, INT, WIS, DEX, CON, and CHR. The only classes were "Fighting Men", Magic-Users, and Clerics.
Alignment (Law, "Neutrality", Chaos) was also in the original books. I believe it was the 1st edition of Advanced D&D that added the familiar 3x3 alignment grid (Good <-> Evil, Lawful <-> Chaotic).
Well done that player! I must confess to only glimsing the old D&D books; we played AD&D with the new-fangled "Paladins", "Rangers", "Illusionists", "Druids", "Theives", "Assassins" and "Monks"!
I do remember the alignment because it struck me is incomplete (easy to say in hindsight ;-)
... really digged the Gods & Goddesses book, checking out the stats for heroes and gods (good ol' Zeus with straight 25s) ... seems rather quaint now when we have heroes with stats in the forties and fifties. 
Still, my original point is that the KotOR characters are more like Paladin/Blackgurads and don't provide for any real bredth of character class nor role-playing development.
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that's like the Fine Young Cannibals (British pop group) took their name from a bad B movie. And Lucas did base all his combat scenes in the movies on real footage from WWII.
Good find! :D
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Threads like this go a long way toward explaining why the forums were almost closed.
... because censorship will solve all the greivances held by the CUSTOMERS WHO BOUGHT THE FAULTY PRODUCT. [/sarcasm]
Really, if anyone who might be able to rescue the situation cared, they would be using these fora --- it's good business to retain customers rather than go out and generate more. For one thing, my disposable income is significantly larger than any new audience members, as I became a fan with the first movie ... the new audiences won't even have a disposable income for a decade.
They've lost me as one of the "must buy" fans of the games. I'll be very careful before I ever buy a Star Wars product again.
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Incidentally, you didn't indicate what you equate the individual Jedi classes to in AD&D. I think they're a sorta Cleric/Illusionist, Cleric and Paladin/Blackguard -- what do you think?
Yes, I think there is a lot of similarity between LS Guardian and Paladin or DS Guardian and Blackguard, even to the extent that their magical powers are of the clerical sort (if you associate Consulars and Clerics) and their association with good/evil. I think Consulars are more powerful than any single magic class but Cleric is probably the best equivalent for LS Consular.
In KotOR/TSL there is little difference between classes, actually, it is more like two flavours of Paladins with combat emphasis on one hand (Guardian) and magic focus on the other (Consular). The TSL prestige classes add some interesting aspects but so do the AD&D prestige classes. And the Sentinel isn't a class anyway, just a mix between Guardian and Consular with a few skill points and immunities thrown in for good measure. A good choice for people who want to play both Guardian and Consular at the same time, but not really a class or archetype in its own right (except perhaps in a Scout/Hunter/Ranger way?). The KotOR/TSL classes were probably done this way because you cannot multiclass freely as in other games.
Yep, which is why IMHO they don't need all six stats. D&D only had four, I think ... STR, DEX, INT, CON, as well as only three alignments: Chaotic, Neutral and Lawful.
That reminds me, aren't the Jedi classes meant to be alignments, too? Consulars more Lawful, Sentinels more Neutral ... Guardians more ... um, Chaotic ... Dang! There goes the Paladin analogy.
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10/10/15/17/11/10 Sentinel. I love skillpoints.
It's a pity you can't play Bao Dur as the main PC ... he ended up with almost straight 30s in all his stats ...
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What XP glitch ?
(1) Korriban,
tomb behind the Shyrack cave, dead Jedi. A pair of Hssiss will spawn every time you loot the body, infinitely repeatable.
(2) Dxun,
Mandalorian camp, scene immediately before departure to Onderon. Sith Assassins will respawn infinitely (and promptly be slaughtered by the Mandalorians) until some glitchy trigger criterion is met. If you're unlucky you'll get not even a single assassin but normally this ends only if you get too close to Mandalore's HQ.
(3) Mines. Lay some mines, leave the area, come back and recover. The mines are still friendly but the game forgets that you laid them yourself and gives you XP for disarming/recovering them. Use mines whose DC for recovering is at least your taken level + 20 in order to get 15 * level XP for recovering, otherwise it is 10 * level.
Oh yeah, last time I played through Dxun that scene went on for about 25 minutes!
Didn't realise the Korriban Hssiseseses were on redial, too, though. Nor about the mines. I only used mines for the sub-plot on Dantooine, out of both KotORs. I don't like mines -- stupid NPCs keep running through them, even when you tell 'em to STAY! Stay. (Sit Ubu, sit. Good dog.) -
My Idea:
Alright, I agree that the battles should be more epic. However, I don't think an FPS system should be implemented. Instead, let's just improve the system that already exists.
For example, in the main action portion of the taskbar where "attack" or "switch weapons" is, you could also put certain other moves that would enhance combat and make it seem more than just a couple of people shooting at one another to death.
For example, you could select "crouch" or "roll" to take cover behind objects like containers, benches, other people, etc. This would decrease your accuracy but increase your defense, etc, etc, etc. Also, I think combat should be based more on not getting hit than having lots of vitality points. Its a system that works but its not realistic and doesn't fit with the Star Wars univsere.
For example, somebody could dodge several blaster bolts but if they're hit the bolt does more damage. And for lightsabers the same. You concentrate more on blocking than hitting your opponent, leading to battles reminiscent of the movies instead of simply bashouts that don't make any sense considering the lethalness of a lightsaber.
I understand what you're getting at.
Remember, though, originally in D&D, the Hit Points where a concept that incorporated the ability to mitigate attacks. A fighter of level 10 (who might have 80 HP) would not necessary be 10 men of level 1 (with say 7-8 HP); the extra Hit Points were the higher level character's ability to anticipate lethal blows and parry them, together with general increase in fighting ability, resistence to fatigue and concentration lapses, etc.
So, to keep the analogy, the lightsaber isn't really hitting the oponent to score "damage", it is just reducing the incidental fighter prowess of the opposing character in keeping with the parameters of the pugilistic art ... until either character finally succumbs to a lethal blow.
Other ideas would be to have "targeting", "disarming" and "knockown" ("called shots" and "disarming" in AD&D and NwN, "knockdowns" already exist in KotOR, if in a limited fashion).
Certainly it would help if all the characters could use the terrain as cover (I have shot and been shot by NPCs behind walls).
It just feels like KotOR 2 has lost its way ... sort of a dead end in RPG development.
I would have hoped that RPGs had moved on to being more hybrid ... including more virtual reality rather than more Space Invaders.
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That's only one strategy ... the "fighter" route. I can vouch that the "mage" route is ultimately more powerful -- if you are measuring power acording to how quickly and easily the Bosses are dispelled. [...]
It took less than ten melee rounds to completely destroy Traya -- including showing her mercy. [...]
So the "fighter" route is the easiest strategy, but not the most powerful.
While I agree with your post overall, I do disagree with your conclusion. By your measure a STR-oriented Guardian/Weapon Master wins hands down. Nihilus: two rounds. Zakkeg, Drexl Larva, Greater Storm Beast, Sion: 1..2 rounds. Traya: 2 x 2..3 rounds. Everything else 1 round, except for a few toothless tanks like Kobin and some Sith lieutenants on Dxun.
In areas where enemies (like turrets) are spaced too far apart for AOE spells the Guardian needs only one round for each enemy (jump - jump - jump - done), while all other classes have to walk/run from one to the other (melee) or play sitting duck while casting on average two spells per foe. Granted, such areas are very few and in most other cases you can Force Storm the whole room at once if you pick the right spot, so this advantage is more theoretical than practical. But it is more fun than spamming Force powers.
Against non-bosses even a Guardian/WM can cast Stasis, Force Storm and Destroy Droid just as reliably as a flat-out Consular/JM. In fact, even with melee builds I always used Force Storm or Destroy Droids to clear away enemy groups, since killing each one individually and personally takes one combat round per enemy instead of two per room.
Sure, I was being a little facetious.
My experience was that my Guardian/Watchman took a lot longer to kill Traya and her band of lightsabers than my Consular/Jedi Master.But as you point out, it doesn't matter what (prestige) class you choose, the game is too easy. I was relieved when I received Force Enlightenment: three less buttons to push at the beginning of each fight.
Apart from the lack of character classes to play, there isn't enough depth in story or character development to hold my interest. Heck, I think there's more character development in Rome:Total War than KotOR2!
" The biggest disapointment is that, with only a tiny bit more effort, this game could have been very very good. A little more development between the characters -- and especially linking their narratives at the end -- and this could easily have lived up to its promise of a game that could be played through many times. The beginning and the end plot sections are too linear for too long, making the middle almost totally irrelevant.
Incidentally, you didn't indicate what you equate the individual Jedi classes to in AD&D. I think they're a sorta Cleric/Illusionist, Cleric and Paladin/Blackguard -- what do you think?
... really digged the Gods & Goddesses book, checking out the stats for heroes and gods (good ol' Zeus with straight 25s) ... seems rather quaint now when we have heroes with stats in the forties and fifties. 
Thank you obsidian!!
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