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darkpatriot

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  1. It wasn't a quest. People who donated lots of money through kickstarter got to write their own personal message in the game. You can see them by clicking tombstones. One such backer wrote a short limerick about a lady's man who kills himself after finding out he slept with a dude. It was a short, comedic thing. Someone on twitter (who incidentally believes that all men deserve to die - seriously) took it as an insult against transsexuals. He/she/it complained to Sawyer, and Sawyer said he'd look into it. It got changed in patch 1.03 And why are backers upset by the notion of
  2. If you are attacking another person, whether they are on the forum or not, through any words like bigot, ****, crazy, or tranny you should probably step back for a second and consider what you are doing. For one, you guys are about to get this topic locked. Secondly you weaken your position when you can't discuss ideas without attacking people who disagree with you. You can disagree with someone without attacking them. Try and focus on concepts and ideas and not individuals. This conversation was going along pretty well for a while, dozens of pages discussing ideas and concepts without th
  3. It’s not a discussion anymore. The author consented. If anyone should be outraged it was him and nobody else. He isn’t. You are going beyond reason and you will get nowhere because you don’t want to “discuss”, you want people agree with what you feel and nothing else. People are upset that the he was even asked to change it in the first place.
  4. Not at all. The only person allowed to decide a persons opinion's is themselves. Anyone else's opinion what it ought to be does not enter into it. A transperson can have the opinion that they are a woman. What anyone else thinks is not required to have that opinion. But if another person has the opinion that they are a man then that is also ok. What anyone else thinks is not required to have that opinion. Both those individuals are free to have whatever opinion they want. Neither one is somehow infringing on the rights of the other by having that opinion. You can identify you
  5. Not at all. The only person allowed to decide a persons opinion's is themselves. Anyone else's opinion what it ought to be does not enter into it. A transperson can have the opinion that they are a woman. What anyone else thinks is not required to have that opinion. But if another person has the opinion that they are a man then that is also ok. What anyone else thinks is not required to have that opinion. Both those individuals are free to have whatever opinion they want. Neither one is somehow infringing on the rights of the other by having that opinion. You can identify you
  6. It is. You can proclaim that it isn't but that doesn't make it so. It isn't a good faith tactic to just pronounce someone else's position in a debate as evil or immoral. In this case the debate over gender and sex. You should try being tolerant of other people's opinions instead of denouncing them if they disagree with you. At the very least you should give some reasoning for why you feel that position is immoral or unacceptable if you are going to denounce it.
  7. While tranny is generally, but not always, used as a slur misgendering someone (especially since from their point of view they are not misgendering someone but correctly identifying their gender) is not a hateful bigoted act. Not everyone agrees with transpeople about what gender they are. Many feel they are in fact their biological sex and not the one they transitioned to. This is not intolerant or hateful. People will often extend the courtesy of referring to a transexual as the gender they would prefer even if they do not agree that they are their transitioned sex, but it is a courte
  8. No it wasn't. Assuming you even interpret the epitaph that way there is nothing transphobic or homophobic about not wanting to sleep with a transsexual or homosexual and feeling shamed if you did so unknowingly. People keep repeating this so many times as if it were true. Something about repeating a lie enough times and people will believe it. That is why it is important that someone challenge you and tell you: "No, that is not true."
  9. Whether it is ****ty or not is a matter of opinion. Whatever your feelings might be toward it, it doesn't give you the right to demand it removed. And people are getting so butthurt because there's a group of people on the internet right now, which thinks that their feelings are a perfectly fine excuse to go and bully everyone to remove everything they don't agree with. Surely, you can see why not a lot of people appreciate this? It's interesting to note that as soon as Josh saw it he referred to it as something at least he didn't want in the game. So who is making unreasonable deman
  10. She identifies as woman and she is legally considered to be woman, claiming otherwise is just plain attacking another forum user, which is against rules of this forum. No it isn't. Considering MtF transsexuals to still be male is a valid opinion and is neither hateful nor intolerant. It is in no way an attack on someone. Attacking another users person is against forum rules regardless of what you think about world. Every opinion is valid even if it's utterly wrong and absolute idiotic and don't match with real world. The debate on gender is far from settled. The posi
  11. She identifies as woman and she is legally considered to be woman, claiming otherwise is just plain attacking another forum user, which is against rules of this forum. No it isn't. Considering MtF transsexuals to still be male is a valid opinion and is neither hateful nor intolerant. It is in no way an attack on someone. However, Calling someone a basement dweller is an attack.
  12. The fire needs to burn. The fire needs to burn hot enough that people don't get away with this again.
  13. This is what it was changed to according to people who have checked the XML file. <memorial> <Name>Firedorn Lightbringer</Name> <Note>"Here lies Firedorn, a bard, a poet He was also a card, but most didn't know it A poem he wrote in jest was misread They asked for blood, so now he's just dead"</Note> </memorial> Apparently it is either no longer at the same location or has actually been removed though since twitter users are posting screenshots of it not being where it was pre-patch. I won't lie. I am pretty disappointed with Obsidian over this. Appa
  14. That is what I am personally hoping the end result of all this is. A toggle to turn off the yellow backer NPCs and backer epitaphs. The epitaphs aren't as big a deal for me because they are much less obtrusive but all the weird looking people with weird names standing around detract from the game IMO.
  15. This issue started when an activists with an agenda created this issue to try and use it to support their ideology. There is nothing inherently wrong with this. People should try and create the change they want, although I think many techniques people use to do so are not very productive. But it should be recognized that this issue was started to support an ideologically driven agenda and to act like that this isn't the case is intellectually dishonest. It is not, and it never was, a simple case of people having their feelings hurt as you are trying to portray it. This was the original
  16. That is pretty much the viewpoint of the people who don't want it removed and don't think it should be an issue. You can't really accuse someone else of blowing something out or porportion when that is exactly what you are doing. We all know the reason it has been blown out of porportion though. Pretending like you aren't aware of this is kinda intellectually dishonest. It exists as part of a larger political debate and it has become an issue within that debate. This debate has given the issue increased importance outside of what it would inherently have by itself. While Obsidian would
  17. The importance of not having censorship is not really about artistic integrity. That is a side effect. The importance is that it protects political speech. Art is just the most common battleground that the fight over censorship takes place in. Removing the backer epitaph would be a case of censorship btw. This has already been covered in this thread but I'll state it again: "Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments,
  18. The limmerick is not hateful. You are using that word far too casually. Only a radical minority consider it to be hateful and I do not consider catering to a radical minority to be a good policy.
  19. Because the words "I'm offended" have already gained far too much power. If every time someone is offended that topic or approach is off limits then we are going to find ourselves severely restricted. If something is going to be censored, I would like to see a more solid reason than hurt feelings. A society that maintains a healthy respect for satire, mockery, and humor in general is much better equipped to recognize its own flaws. These are often the tools that are used to point out and explore these flaws. The harm in limiting humor by constantly expanding the list of the topics that
  20. The fundamental reason some transpeople, and those who are offended on their behalf, are offended is that the limmerick reinforces a stereotype of transpeople as being involved in tricking other people into sleeping with them. They are annoyed at seeing transexuals represented this way in various forms of media as it is probably the most common joke involving transexuals that is seen. Individual offendees also have some variation in the exact reason for their offense. For example, some of the more radical offendees are taking offense at the implication that the transexual involved in the
  21. So, I guess you are coming out in full ad hominem mode then. Assuming you actually care to discuss anything you could perhaps justify your reasoning for using the bigot label. Specifically that someone having the opinion that MtF transexuals are still actually male makes them a bigot. I see no reason that having that opinion makes someone a bigot. I think you could certainly make good points from both sides of the debate regarding gender and transexuals (and even other positions such as them being a third gender), and it is an interesting conversation that is worth having. But I don't
  22. Where have I disrespected other's beliefs and opinions? Disagreeing is not disrespecting. If I am being perfectly honest to hold the opinion that disagreeing with someone's opinion is disrespecting their opinion is a very dangerous way of thinking. That is the line of reasoning that is the very core of intolerance and all of it's excesses throughout history. And every time it happened people thought they were doing the right thing and were on the right side of history. Oh man, we're getting so close to Godwin's law here, people, I can almost taste it! You can do it, darkpatriot! Wh
  23. Where have I disrespected other's beliefs and opinions? Disagreeing is not disrespecting. If I am being perfectly honest, to hold the opinion that disagreeing with someone's opinion is disrespecting their opinion is a very dangerous way of thinking. That is the line of reasoning that is the very core of intolerance and all of it's excesses throughout history. And every time it has happened people thought they were doing the right thing and that they were on the right side of history.
  24. What intolerance? Again I will state it. Believing that MtF transexuals are still men is not intolerant, bigoted, hateful, or discriminatory. Just because you say it's so doesn't make it true, darkpatriot. It's not for you to tell other people who and what they are. That's something that every person must decide for themselves. Taking away other people's right to their own identity, even if it's only in your own mind, is a form of discrimination. I agree that just because I say something doesn't make it true. It only makes it my opinion. That is kind of what I'm arguing though
  25. Very very few people would agree with the statement: Believing that MtF transexuals are still men is bigoted and I would be greatly offended or upset if I unknowingly had a romantic relationship with someone who held that opinion. If it was a concern that enough people had I would agree with you but as things stand it is not a large enough concern, both in terms of how many people feel that way and how strongly they feel about it, to be something that should be routinely disclosed. What intolerance? I will state it again. Believing that MtF transexuals are still men is no
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