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Ah, of course, equivocation. "The vast majority of poor people don't sit around on their asses all day and chew on the public cud" is equivalent to "there is no such thing as sloth."

My post is perfectly plain. If you don't understand some part of it, feel free to point it out and I'll explain.

Uh, I actually do believe that "****e," buddy. A responsible government can come only from a non-capitalist society, since capitalism inevitably corrupts democracy, whether with bribery, the manipulation of the class system, or campaign donations. Double negative, I win.

Of course I use a proxy, my privacy is very important to me.

None of you has ever beaten me in a debate. Okay, though, I'm gonna come out and admit it. I'm Krezack. Sorry guys, I just have a dream, and it's orthodox Marxism with a shade of Trotskyism.

Enlighten me, then, Mr. "Krezack" (if that is your real name). What, praytell, is the reason this exists, except to ensure that the poors don't use their money the "wrong" way? The existence of a couple more public goods no more proves the idea of the "undeserving poor" doesn't exist in England any more than the prevalence of tapwater in my country proves it.

The reason this exists is because of an underlying ill of western society, which has plagued us for centuries. And that is the idea of the "undeserving poor." Under this theory, there is a significant subsection of the impoverished, the homeless, the jobless, et cetera, who choose to belong to that group. Societal causes and the class structure are not responsible. No, it is their personal failure to pull themselves up from abject poverty with no social safety net that resents poorly on them. It is their personal failure that their child can't attend school at all times, not because they live in such poverty that they can't do all the work that needs to be done to feed all the mouths and keep the roof over their heads. Because of this, we get the idea that we must ensure that the money goes to the right poor people, not some mythical Joe Shmoe poor person who just sits around all day and doesn't look for a job.

Yes, if a violent revolution was popular it would by definition have to take place in a non-democratic state, and therefore would be completely justifiable.. Hmm, which country was it that, during the Cold War, committed one of the most insidious acts of genocide since the Holocaust? Was it a Soviet aligned country? Or was it a country receiving US military aid under Jimmy Carter? I don't post if I don't have anything to say, which I guess makes me better than the rest of your so-called "community."

Actually, I believe that a violent, unpopular revolution irrevocably militarizes a communist society, leaving long-term scars that cannot really be healed. For an example, see the USSR; because the Bolsheviks attempted to take control against popular will, they militarized in a very nasty way. Most notably, this lead to the creation of the Cheka, who later developed into the NKVD and KGB. Without the RCW, the Cheka would not have existed, and thus neither would the NKVD and KGB. PS: Stop calling me a troll.

Ergo, we should attempt to overthrow their democratically elected government in a rightist military coup, right? While simultaneously leaving the governments of countries like Zimbabwe intact?

Oh, well golly gee, Obama isn't literally there torturing people himself, right? Do you think he, as the president of the United States (who, I remind you, was elected in some part on the platform of stopping this bull****) has no power to prevent or counteract this? I remind you that he wants to keep acquitted prisoners as prisoners, and that people who are acquitted have been found innocent. Sorry, that viewpoint wasn't acceptable during the Cold War, and it sure as hell isn't acceptable now. What, pray tell, is the point of propping up a more-of-the-same regime? You do realize that a little over twenty years ago, we propped up a ****ty bunch of fundamentalists there? Gosh, that turned out so great. The war in Afghanistan was an idiotic venture - the better revenge killing would've been some Delta Force operation to snipe Bin Laden, then trumpet it back home. Managing the revolution in America is not very possible (though political conditions over the coming decades could conceivably allow it), but there are steps the leadership can take to help make the world a better place. Stop supporting horrific regimes. It won't be that hard, just focus on bad regimes when you're randomly couping countries across the world, instead of pretty nice countries like Venezuela. Of course, doing this would require some kind of accountable leadership, which Obama is clearly showing does not really exist in America. But hey, maybe eventually we'll no longer just let any jackass donate a couple grand to election campaigns. And then we'll pass real health care reform, and stop even bothering with "cap and trade" bull****. And then we'll illegalize political parties. And beautiful rainbows will appear on every street corner. Americanness confirmed.

Obama is not nearly so good as you think. He has lied (a lot) over the course of his career, and his politics are best described as center-right or far-right. Guantanamo Bay is getting worse, he's stepping up the war in Afghanistan (where our "ally" is a brutal, fundamentalist, misogynistic regime) and the list goes on and on. I could continue, going in depth on his policies towards homosexuals, suspects' rights, big business, labor, et cetera, but I think you get the idea. He is only a leftist from the bizarre American viewpoint, and that viewpoint is a complex product of myriad social factors, most notable of which is the fact that whoever is the lefter candidate is assumed to be a leftist.

The idea of ownership, as it exists in modern times, is by no means some fundamental of humanity. Perhaps its development is inevitable in the slow progress mankind made in ancient days, but the fact of the matter is that plenty of tribal societies had no concept of "ownership" as it exists in the west (for example, many do not think you can "own" something which you can't carry with you). While I don't endorse stealing tribal economics (they aren't appropriate for an industrial society), this does show that humans have the capacity to forsake possession for use. Again, people enjoy luxury, not ownership. Ownership is only "good" in that it allows easy, assured access to luxury. But really, what is the huge difference between going to an internet cafe to post dumb stuff on the internet, and using your own personal computer to do it?

Capitalism in the modern West is inextricably linked to neo-colonialism, ergo, it is evil. HTH.

N-no... not... SOCIALISM!!! A bloo bloo bloo. Why don't you take your capitalist reactionary political viewpoint back where it belongs: a body bag?

Pretty sure a guy with bronchitis can't yell. Also, check out this little factoid I found: "Um

If you are not white, I would be very, very surprised. You're right. The fact that he lives in the United States, where he is guaranteed the right to free speech gives him the right to insult and curse any authority figure.

Whiteness confirmed. Also, ability to blandly ignore facts confirmed. Gates showed the officer his ID, I already said that. Whoa, look at that straw man. Did I ever say that every cop is corrupt? No. Did I say that there is institutionalized corruption in the US police force that make their actions automatically suspect? Yes.

"Ugh, I don't enjoy getting trounced with facts and realities about endemic police corruption in the United States. Whatever shall I do? I know, I'll post that I'm leaving the argument, but first, I'll make a couple of ad hominem attacks on my enemy in my parting shots, while failing to counter any of his points. Woop woop woop." What do you think of my impression of you?

Blah blah, ad hominem, tu quoque, this is a bad post. Oh ****, I almost forgot, Gates actually couldn't yell at the cop because he had Bronchitis Uh, no, just blandly citing "Godwin's law" is not actually an argument. Try again. This happened in August, last year. The officer was removed from street duty last September, but he was restored to full duty in December. What a wonderful world. No, sorry, insulting an authority figure is not wrong, and it should never be a crime. Look up "the thin blue line."

If he gave Gates his badge and ID number, why would Gates keep yelling at him? Annoying a cop: a crime worthy of being arrested. Only in America. And Nazi Germany. You are more inclined to believe the police in America? Let me tell you a story. It's a pretty simple story, so you can keep your attention on it. A woman gets into a small fender bender in the parking lot of a convenience store. Unfortunately for her, the other party is a cop's son. The cop comes in, slams a gun into the back of her neck, and when she tries to get out of his grasp, he charges her with assaulting a police office. Fortunately for her, however, there was video of the whole incident. But three times, police officers came to the store owner and asked him to erase the tape. Do you really trust this institution? This is not some isolated scenario, police do this kind of thing all the time.

This is a C&P, right? Please tell me you don't actually believe this. The police came to Gates house. They asked him to step outside (so they could arrest him), he didn't. He then showed the officer two forms of ID, at one point allowing the officer into his house. He (repeatedly) asked the officer for his name and badge number, which the officer didn't give. He followed the officer out, continuing to ask. Once he had gone through his front door, the police officer arrested him. One of the cops arresting him was latino - none of them were black. But it doesn't matter. If you think black cops can't write DWBs or automatically assume that black Americans are criminals, then you are pretty ill-informed.

Holy mother of God. This literally made my jaw drop, I am just... I had to revive this thread. Holy ****.

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